[opensuse] Is offline upgrade still preferred over Zypper system upgrade (13.2->Leap 42.1)?
The Wiki page "SDB:System upgrade" (https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade) warns Warning: Do not skip a release when upgrading! Example: do not upgrade from 13.1 to 42.1. Instead, from 13.1 upgrade to 13.2, then from 13.2 upgrade to 42.1. Other possibility: Offline upgrade, a.k.a. traditional or DVD upgrade. For more information, read offline upgrade. This upgrade method is safer and more versatile. Unless you have a good reason to do otherwise, use the offline upgrade method. Especially this disadvantage of Zypper system upgrade makes my sceptical: It does not do all of the cleanup and maintenance that an offline DVD Upgrade does. Does this still apply for the upgrade from 13.2 to Leap 42.1? Which method works better in practice? (Personally I use both methods. I prefer Offline upgrade (from USB) for PCs with a limited number of packages and less extra repositories. I prefer the Zypper system upgrade method for PCs will much packages from different repositories. Zypper system upgrade also causes less downtime.) Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/21/2016 11:40 PM, Bjoern Voigt wrote:
Does this still apply for the upgrade from 13.2 to Leap 42.1? Which method works better in practice?
IMHO, yes. But I'm biased: I wrote most of that page ;-)
I prefer the Zypper system upgrade method for PCs will much packages from different repositories.
You can also add repositories on the offline method.
Zypper system upgrade also causes less downtime.)
Depends... Internet speed, for instance. Me, I run such zypper dups in console mode. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/21/2016 11:40 PM, Bjoern Voigt wrote:
Does this still apply for the upgrade from 13.2 to Leap 42.1? Which method works better in practice?
IMHO, yes. But I'm biased: I wrote most of that page ;-) Oh thanks.
I prefer the Zypper system upgrade method for PCs will much packages from different repositories.
You can also add repositories on the offline method. I know. But you probably don't have an editor for *.repo files, copy&paste etc. during Offline upgrade.
Zypper system upgrade also causes less downtime.)
Depends... Internet speed, for instance. The Zypper switch --download-only helps here in step 1. Me, I run such zypper dups in console mode. Yes. I prefer Tmux or Screen for safety.
Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/22/2016 12:07 AM, Bjoern Voigt wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I prefer the Zypper system upgrade method for PCs will much packages from different repositories.
You can also add repositories on the offline method. I know. But you probably don't have an editor for *.repo files, copy&paste etc. during Offline upgrade.
True enough, it is cumbersome. You can, however, edit the entries in the files before starting the upgrade. They get disabled, but you can re-enable them, with the correction in place ;-)
Zypper system upgrade also causes less downtime.)
Depends... Internet speed, for instance. The Zypper switch --download-only helps here in step 1.
True.
Me, I run such zypper dups in console mode. Yes. I prefer Tmux or Screen for safety.
-- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/21/2016 02:40 PM, Bjoern Voigt wrote:
Warning: Do not skip a release when upgrading! Example: do not upgrade from 13.1 to 42.1. Instead, from 13.1 upgrade to 13.2, then from 13.2 upgrade to 42.1.
After you take your backup in preparation for any upgrade, its just about as easy to do one as the other. And regardless of that it says on that page many people get away with skipping one or more releases. I've done that in the past and it was fine. Its not supported.But then this is Linux, and you are pretty well on your own anyway, do don't let the fiction of "supported" slow you down. Its a myth. Don't hork over your ONLY computer. However there is usually so many more thing you want to do at upgrade time that a re-partition, maybe new drives, maybe new file systems, maybe a new distro, that there often good reason to start over. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/22/2016 01:02 AM, John Andersen wrote:
Its not supported.But then this is Linux, and you are pretty well on your own anyway, do don't let the fiction of "supported" slow you down. Its a myth. Don't hork over your ONLY computer.
Not always. Sometimes, there is an incompatible update to the zypper stack, or the rpm libraries or database, that makes a direct upgrade from version 1 to 3 impossible. Indeed, upgrade from 2 to 3 is also impossible, unless you install the last patches in version 2 that update the zypper/rpm stack to a compatible version that can use both stacks of 2 and 3. This has happened, but I don't remember the exact release. This is the reason why some people recommend to first update zypper, rpm, and related tools, before starting the full system upgrade. Other times, there is nothing of the sort and the jump just works. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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