[opensuse] Root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ? Thanks --ed -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eduardo J. Vega A wrote:
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Thanks
--ed
google is your best friend 1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
steve wrote:
Eduardo J. Vega A wrote:
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Thanks
--ed
google is your best friend
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)? Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password? (SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.) -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday, 13. August 2007, Basil Chupin wrote:
google is your best friend
1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=utf -8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)?
I second Basil here. If you know the answer to a question, why not post it simply? What's more, when you later find this message in an archive, chances are the link is obsolete and the information is lost (ok, here we talk about beta software, but this is a general observation). Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:29:47 +0200 Thierry de Coulon <.> wrote:
On Monday, 13. August 2007, Basil Chupin wrote:
google is your best friend
1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=utf -8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)?
I second Basil here. If you know the answer to a question, why not post it simply? What's more, when you later find this message in an archive, chances are the link is obsolete and the information is lost (ok, here we talk about beta software, but this is a general observation).
Correct, would be easier for others simply to read the password mentioned e.g. in a reply mail, than to surf for it! Most of us would do the homework for google-ing, etc. anyway, but I'm now on a mail- only 56k dial-up for _weeks_, having a 10.3 LiveCD from a friend with no instruction / password. Therefore I could ask the same and hope for a positive (=useful) answer. Regards, Pelibali -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
pelibali wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:29:47 +0200 Thierry de Coulon <.> wrote:
On Monday, 13. August 2007, Basil Chupin wrote:
google is your best friend
1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=utf -8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)?
I second Basil here. If you know the answer to a question, why not post it simply? What's more, when you later find this message in an archive, chances are the link is obsolete and the information is lost (ok, here we talk about beta software, but this is a general observation).
Correct, would be easier for others simply to read the password mentioned e.g. in a reply mail, than to surf for it! Most of us would do the homework for google-ing, etc. anyway, but I'm now on a mail- only 56k dial-up for _weeks_, having a 10.3 LiveCD from a friend with no instruction / password. Therefore I could ask the same and hope for a positive (=useful) answer.
This is one of the things which people who are in a privileged situation always forget to take into account. I had been involved on committees of not-for-profit organisations for years and the one thing which stood out like a big pimple on the nose is that people who have jobs (and therefore are earning an income) simply do not recognise what it costs, and what effect it has on, people who are on the commttee(s) but are, say, pensioners. Sure, the 'pensioners' need not go on the committee(s) but then very few people earning an income go on them :-( . It's a moot point, but my main point still stands. I have read messages here which stated that "I" can download files at xxMB/s or xxGB/s while others have stated that the best that they can manage is at dial-up speed of 56KB/s. While I am always for the underdog, it could be thought unreasonable to fully cater for the lowest possible denominator when it comes to making alphas or betas available. Nevertheless, it is STILL possible to make available a version of the latest alpha or beta or release of SuSE even for the 56KB dial-up user - be it in a DVD format or otherwise - because the dial-up has at his/her disposal software which will download the appropriate file (ISO eg) over a period of a week or so. The choice of doing so is up to the user - and the user has to be given that choice. The cost to the s/ware provider to make this possible and place on its site for it to be downloaded is negligible. The cost is negligible. The PR and goodwill are enormous. But then we are dealing with Novell. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
alphas or betas available. Nevertheless, it is STILL possible to make available a version of the latest alpha or beta or release of SuSE even for the 56KB dial-up user - be it in a DVD format or otherwise - because the dial-up has at his/her disposal software which will download the appropriate file (ISO eg) over a period of a week or so.
They (the CD ISOs) are available as an http download as well as a Torrent... http://en.opensuse.org/Development_Version#Downloads So.. the user does have a choice. OK, granted the DVD ISOs are Torrent only, but... who in their right mind would try to download a 4.8GB DVD ISO over a 56K dialup connection? If you were lucky and had a steady connection with no slowdowns by overhead, that would take a solid week... at least... the realityis, including overhead, more like almost 10 days. By that time the Beta test would be into the next release :-P C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
alphas or betas available. Nevertheless, it is STILL possible to make available a version of the latest alpha or beta or release of SuSE even for the 56KB dial-up user - be it in a DVD format or otherwise - because the dial-up has at his/her disposal software which will download the appropriate file (ISO eg) over a period of a week or so.
They (the CD ISOs) are available as an http download as well as a Torrent... http://en.opensuse.org/Development_Version#Downloads
So.. the user does have a choice. OK, granted the DVD ISOs are Torrent only, but... who in their right mind would try to download a 4.8GB DVD ISO over a 56K dialup connection?
Hey, it is a matter of freedom of choice for an individual as to what s/he wants to do. But more importantly, there are people who cannot afford broadband - and, in very many cases, even in the Ooonited-States-of-Aaamerika, do not have access to broadband but only have dial-up access. Lets' not be elitist in our comments :-) .
If you were lucky and had a steady connection with no slowdowns by overhead, that would take a solid week... at least... the realityis, including overhead, more like almost 10 days. By that time the Beta test would be into the next release :-P
As I stated, it is a matter of personal choice - provided that the persons are given the ability to make that choice. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
So.. the user does have a choice. OK, granted the DVD ISOs are Torrent only, but... who in their right mind would try to download a 4.8GB DVD ISO over a 56K dialup connection?
I can't for the life of me figure why anyone would want a torrent download. I tried it and the best I could get was about 1Kbs, that's right, ONE (1) KILOBITE A SECOND. That's abut a weeks worth of download. AND it's not just OpenSuSE severs that are messed up. I tried Freespire DVD torrent download with just about the same results. I scratched around a bit and found an FTP site listed in the VERY fine print for OpenSuSE. In about four hours I had the whole DVD downloaded via Kget. Much the same story for Freespire, but it only took about three hours from one of their mirrors with Kget. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil, Im recommending you for the next season of the Desperate Housewives, you are the drama queen. Bye Marcio --- Druid PS: I dont think you should be running a beta version, its not safe for people who cant find their midnight commander rpm in their distros On 8/15/07, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote:
pelibali wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:29:47 +0200 Thierry de Coulon <.> wrote:
On Monday, 13. August 2007, Basil Chupin wrote:
google is your best friend
1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=utf -8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)?
I second Basil here. If you know the answer to a question, why not post it simply? What's more, when you later find this message in an archive, chances are the link is obsolete and the information is lost (ok, here we talk about beta software, but this is a general observation).
Correct, would be easier for others simply to read the password mentioned e.g. in a reply mail, than to surf for it! Most of us would do the homework for google-ing, etc. anyway, but I'm now on a mail- only 56k dial-up for _weeks_, having a 10.3 LiveCD from a friend with no instruction / password. Therefore I could ask the same and hope for a positive (=useful) answer.
This is one of the things which people who are in a privileged situation always forget to take into account.
I had been involved on committees of not-for-profit organisations for years and the one thing which stood out like a big pimple on the nose is that people who have jobs (and therefore are earning an income) simply do not recognise what it costs, and what effect it has on, people who are on the commttee(s) but are, say, pensioners. Sure, the 'pensioners' need not go on the committee(s) but then very few people earning an income go on them :-( . It's a moot point, but my main point still stands.
I have read messages here which stated that "I" can download files at xxMB/s or xxGB/s while others have stated that the best that they can manage is at dial-up speed of 56KB/s.
While I am always for the underdog, it could be thought unreasonable to fully cater for the lowest possible denominator when it comes to making alphas or betas available. Nevertheless, it is STILL possible to make available a version of the latest alpha or beta or release of SuSE even for the 56KB dial-up user - be it in a DVD format or otherwise - because the dial-up has at his/her disposal software which will download the appropriate file (ISO eg) over a period of a week or so.
The choice of doing so is up to the user - and the user has to be given that choice.
The cost to the s/ware provider to make this possible and place on its site for it to be downloaded is negligible.
The cost is negligible.
The PR and goodwill are enormous.
But then we are dealing with Novell.
Cheers.
-- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future.
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Druid wrote:
Basil,
Im recommending you for the next season of the Desperate Housewives, you are the drama queen.
Bye
Marcio --- Druid
PS: I dont think you should be running a beta version, its not safe for people who cant find their midnight commander rpm in their distros
come on you guys..... dont ruin the list already!! we might as well take this to OT now lol... ....as its already WAY off subject.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 17:13, Druid wrote:
Basil,
I'm recommending you for the next season of the Desperate Housewives, you are the drama queen.
We reserve the high honorific "Drama Queen" for those who, in addition to their dramatic flair, are endowed with the rare characteristic of finding love—or seeking it, at least—amongst their own gender (and who are male). Does Basil claim this exalted status?
Bye
Marcio
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Druid wrote:
Basil,
Im recommending you for the next season of the Desperate Housewives, you are the drama queen.
Bye
Marcio --- Druid
<clap>.....<clap>.....<clap>....<clap> Wot a komedian u r. Verry luvly. I luffed for ours!
PS: I dont think you should be running a beta version, its not safe for people who cant find their midnight commander rpm in their distros
You are really clueless, aren't you? But then, you watch Desperate Housewives <sigh>. There is no copy of mc (midnight commander) or nano or kernel source in the beta 1 distro of 10.3. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
steve wrote:
Eduardo J. Vega A wrote:
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Thanks
--ed
google is your best friend
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)?
hold on...... Im pretty sure I just provided the requestor a mailing list link to the answer they requested right?
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
a good portion of users who use live cds from my experience are either new to the distribution, linux in general, or trying to see if hardware will work. what sense would it make to put in features that are not reflective of suse linux.
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
remember.... this a beta, not RC, some packages will be missing or if provided not working take it easy. steve
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On Monday 13 August 2007 06:03, steve wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
steve wrote:
Eduardo J. Vega A wrote:
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Thanks
--ed
google is your best friend
1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=ut f-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Steve, while giving links is good idea for complex information and as an example how to search, this time it was counter productive. Compare the length of: The password is "linux". with above link. On the other side, helping people is what counts and you did just that. Thank you. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Does anyone know if there will be a quick upgrade to kernel 2.6.23 soon after openSUSE 10.3 is released? If I am not mistaken 2.6.23 will have the new scheduler and hopefully make linux a little more responsive.. Any news? Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 21:35 -0700, Ben Kevan wrote:
Does anyone know if there will be a quick upgrade to kernel 2.6.23 soon after openSUSE 10.3 is released? If I am not mistaken 2.6.23 will have the new scheduler and hopefully make linux a little more responsive..
Any news?
Ben
I will have to say the 2.6.22 kernel in 10.3 is quite responsive compared to 10.2.OpenOffice.org writer opensin 2 seconds versus about 10 in 10.2. Both systems are athlon 64 X2, one is 3200+(10.2), the other 4600+(10.3), but the clock speed itself does not make up for the difference between the two. The 10.3 system is also running linux raid1. Yast is also about 10 times faster and all of the other programs are also much faster. Art -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 13 August 2007 23:35, Ben Kevan wrote:
Does anyone know if there will be a quick upgrade to kernel 2.6.23 soon after openSUSE 10.3 is released? If I am not mistaken 2.6.23 will have the new scheduler and hopefully make linux a little more responsive..
Any news?
Ben, how about posting new message instead changing subject line only. This is part of your message header: In-Reply-To: <200708132332.15760..... that makes it part of the thread: [opensuse] Root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ? BTW, with "linux a little more responsive", you probably meant linux desktop. Servers have different requirements. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 09:35:28PM -0700, Ben Kevan wrote:
Does anyone know if there will be a quick upgrade to kernel 2.6.23 soon after openSUSE 10.3 is released? If I am not mistaken 2.6.23 will have the new scheduler and hopefully make linux a little more responsive..
Any news?
No, we will stay with 2.6.22. Every kernel brings major features ... but also some new problems. The beta test we do is to shake out the bugs in the stable kernel we have chosen, and this is 2.6.22 for openSUSE 10.3. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Aug 13 2007 21:35, Ben Kevan wrote:
Does anyone know if there will be a quick upgrade to kernel 2.6.23 soon after openSUSE 10.3 is released? If I am not mistaken 2.6.23 will have the new scheduler and hopefully make linux a little more responsive..
If I find it stable enough you might find it in my repo (when it's time). Jan -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2007 06:03, steve wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
steve wrote:
Eduardo J. Vega A wrote:
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Thanks
--ed
google is your best friend
1st hit http://www.google.com/search?q=root+password+for+suse+10.3+live+cd&ie=ut f-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Steve,
while giving links is good idea for complex information and as an example how to search, this time it was counter productive. Compare the length of:
The password is "linux".
with above link.
On the other side, helping people is what counts and you did just that. Thank you.
Agreed - for most of the part :-) . Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
steve wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
steve wrote:
Eduardo J. Vega A wrote:
Hello guys any idea of which it's the root password for the OpenSuSE LiveCD 10.3 ?
Thanks
--ed
google is your best friend
Oh, for chrissake, why can't you just simply state what the damn password is without going through this long-winded charade (of having to search for it on the internet)?
hold on...... Im pretty sure I just provided the requestor a mailing list link to the answer they requested right?
No, wrong. The poster asked for the password and you spent all your time posting a link to where it may be found. The most simple answer would have been, "linux" , and THEN go on with your hobby-horse of getting people to do some research by saying, "And the next time you want to know the answer to such a question do a search on the 'net and you will most probably get the answer a lot quicker." Does this make reasonable sense?
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
a good portion of users who use live cds from my experience are either new to the distribution, linux in general, or trying to see if hardware will work. what sense would it make to put in features that are not reflective of suse linux.
Ce? If it is a simple, LIVE installation why is there a need for a password? The person installing a LIVE distribution is only looking to see how the damn things works and looks like, so why the need for a password?
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
remember.... this a beta, not RC, some packages will be missing or if provided not working
Oh, for chrissake! This is BETA 1 of - wait for it! - SuSE version *10.3*! Not Beta 1 of version 1. I repeat, this is Beta 1 of version *10.3*! I'll say no more. To do so would be too painful :-( .
take it easy.
I *AM* taking it easy. (Just don't get me going is all I ask! :-) .) Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA. Furthermore, we are not talking about a Beta 1 release of a version 1 but of version 10.3. Now, somewhere in between a version 1 and a version 10.3 someone, anyone, with a bit of brain and nous and know-how would have figured out on what has to be put into place, and how software should be tested by staff being paid on writing it and administrating its implementation and release on the open market, to have the software in a state where it CAN be called a BETA and have people spend their time and money in downloading the product to be able to make judgements about its efficacy and offer suggestions on how to improve it. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Furthermore, we are not talking about a Beta 1 release of a version 1 but of version 10.3.
Now, somewhere in between a version 1 and a version 10.3 someone, anyone, with a bit of brain and nous and know-how would have figured out on what has to be put into place, and how software should be tested by staff being paid on writing it and administrating its implementation and release on the open market, to have the software in a state where it CAN be called a BETA and have people spend their time and money in downloading the product to be able to make judgements about its efficacy and offer suggestions on how to improve it.
Cheers.
I don't think it make any sense for us to expect a beta version to be perfect. It's always buggy before the ultimate completion. OS worked out by MS can even be buggy anyway. Basically, I don't see it any good for people who are not pros in OS and programming field to use BETA version (any kind of beta), especially when we are talking about Linux Distros. They are not MS product and much more complicated. So if you are a pro or a programmer, then you'd better stay cool and find out that bug which annoyed you so much and then report it or even mend it. If you are not, just like most people, why don't you go back to openSUSE 10.2? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jacky Woo wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Furthermore, we are not talking about a Beta 1 release of a version 1 but of version 10.3.
Now, somewhere in between a version 1 and a version 10.3 someone, anyone, with a bit of brain and nous and know-how would have figured out on what has to be put into place, and how software should be tested by staff being paid on writing it and administrating its implementation and release on the open market, to have the software in a state where it CAN be called a BETA and have people spend their time and money in downloading the product to be able to make judgements about its efficacy and offer suggestions on how to improve it.
Cheers.
I don't think it make any sense for us to expect a beta version to be perfect. It's always buggy before the ultimate completion. OS worked out by MS can even be buggy anyway.
Firstly, I, nor anyone else who knows "what it is all about", expect that a Beta "to be perfect". Secondly, talking about MS is a total and a useless side-issue of no import to anyone, or anything being discussed here, about openSuse 10.3. I don't give a rat's tail about MS or anything associated with it!
Basically, I don't see it any good for people who are not pros in OS and programming field to use BETA version (any kind of beta), especially when we are talking about Linux Distros. They are not MS product and much more complicated.
Again you raise the MS crap. Are you obsessed with MS? Is it because Novell got into bed with MS? And why is a "MS product...much more complicated [than Linux Distros]"? And why are you so condenscending to state that "I don't see it any good for people who are not pros in OS and programming field to use BETA version (any kind of beta), especially when we are talking about Linux Distros"? Are you stating that the Novell people should not be releasing Beta versions unless they are downloaded by "pros" (I take it that you mean that you are one such "pro" worthy of downloading Betas)?
So if you are a pro or a programmer, then you'd better stay cool and find out that bug which annoyed you so much and then report it or even mend it. If you are not, just like most people, why don't you go back to openSUSE 10.2?
I am using 10.2 so I don't have to "go back to it". And, like others before you, you have the same attitude about people pointing out problems with an OS, which they considered to be the best available, with your comment, "If you are not [a pro or programmer], just like most people, why don't you go back to openSUSE 10.2". I AM like most people who would try to use SuSE (and have used it for years). People in the advertising industry know that for every BAD complaint there are something like (?)20 other people who get to know about the negative report about a product. Bad news spreads FAST. Nobody here is trying to generate bad reports but rather point out that there are issues which need to be addressed. The management of SuSE need to face up to the issues. They have the resources to do so. I will add this though: I would be extremely disappointed if the original people of the SuSE company who got bought out by the American company, Novell, have anything negative to contribute to the problems facing SuSE since it was acquired by Novell. They have families to feed and mortgages to pay. I understand their dilemmas. But don't give me the crap about being "a pro or a programmer, then you'd better stay cool". Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Furthermore, we are not talking about a Beta 1 release of a version 1 but of version 10.3.
Now, somewhere in between a version 1 and a version 10.3 someone, anyone, with a bit of brain and nous and know-how would have figured out on what has to be put into place, and how software should be tested by staff being paid on writing it and administrating its implementation and release on the open market, to have the software in a state where it CAN be called a BETA and have people spend their time and money in downloading the product to be able to make judgements about its efficacy and offer suggestions on how to improve it.
Cheers.
Wikipedia: A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software, for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/grey-box testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release. Beta level software is between 60% and 70% complete, generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety. Please note that it says "60%-70% complete" and "GENERALLY includes all features", caps mine. There is no guarantee that it will be complete, OR that everything will work. Nowhere in computers have I ever heard of someone that expects a "beta" to be complete and ready to go. That's why it's called a "beta". For someone to install a beta and expect full functionality is just plain ludicrous. If your not ready to put up with missing bits and pieces and many bugs stay away from "beta" versions of anything. Even if its beta2095487 of version 86579423108.45879. A "beta" is still a "beta". -- Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 07:32:37 pm Billie Walsh wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Furthermore, we are not talking about a Beta 1 release of a version 1 but of version 10.3.
Now, somewhere in between a version 1 and a version 10.3 someone, anyone, with a bit of brain and nous and know-how would have figured out on what has to be put into place, and how software should be tested by staff being paid on writing it and administrating its implementation and release on the open market, to have the software in a state where it CAN be called a BETA and have people spend their time and money in downloading the product to be able to make judgements about its efficacy and offer suggestions on how to improve it.
Cheers.
Wikipedia: A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software, for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/grey-box testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release. Beta level software is between 60% and 70% complete, generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety.
Please note that it says "60%-70% complete" and "GENERALLY includes all features", caps mine. There is no guarantee that it will be complete, OR that everything will work.
Nowhere in computers have I ever heard of someone that expects a "beta" to be complete and ready to go. That's why it's called a "beta". For someone to install a beta and expect full functionality is just plain ludicrous.
If your not ready to put up with missing bits and pieces and many bugs stay away from "beta" versions of anything. Even if its beta2095487 of version 86579423108.45879. A "beta" is still a "beta".
-- Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on!
You can thank Google for the mis-interpertation of the word "Beta".. ie. Gmail Beta Won't butt in too much more about it, because it's really a silly argument. Beta is not final, the closest to final is RC and even those are known to have some bugs etc. Beta is typically the point of alot of freezes and milestones are written out for known issues and only new issues brought on are stoppers -- How much can you know about yourself, you've never been in a fight? I don't wanna die without any scars. So come on; hit me -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 08/13/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Furthermore, we are not talking about a Beta 1 release of a version 1 but of version 10.3.
Now, somewhere in between a version 1 and a version 10.3 someone, anyone, with a bit of brain and nous and know-how would have figured out on what has to be put into place, and how software should be tested by staff being paid on writing it and administrating its implementation and release on the open market, to have the software in a state where it CAN be called a BETA and have people spend their time and money in downloading the product to be able to make judgements about its efficacy and offer suggestions on how to improve it.
Cheers.
Wikipedia: A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software, for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/grey-box testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release. Beta level software is between 60% and 70% complete, generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety.
Please note that it says "60%-70% complete" and "GENERALLY includes all features", caps mine. There is no guarantee that it will be complete, OR that everything will work.
Nowhere in computers have I ever heard of someone that expects a "beta" to be complete and ready to go. That's why it's called a "beta". For someone to install a beta and expect full functionality is just plain ludicrous.
If your not ready to put up with missing bits and pieces and many bugs stay away from "beta" versions of anything. Even if its beta2095487 of version 86579423108.45879. A "beta" is still a "beta".
Oh my gosh. We are now relying on the Wikipedia for definitive and factual interpretations of words and meanings! You did know that one can go in and edit what is in the Wikipedia? (If I memory hasn't totally failed me, wasn't there a (?)high school drop-out who was posting medical advice, and related articles, until he was found out either earlier this year or late last year?) But, oh, OK, let's go with what you write above: "60% - 70% complete". How can something be this far "advanced" when someone - like me - cannot perform the very basic operation of simply properly installing it? I repeat: INSTALLING IT and not simply find there are some things not working correctly *after* the installation. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. 22 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Isn't it better to just wait for 10.3? Adding guru and packman and a few other repos to make it work like ubuntu is then only a few clicks away. And a lot better;-) Cheers, Lynn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
primm wrote:
there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
That's why it's called "beta".
No, that is not why it is called a BETA.
Isn't it better to just wait for 10.3? Adding guru and packman and a few other repos to make it work like ubuntu is then only a few clicks away. And a lot better;-)
Cheers, Lynn.
Eh, a philosopher in our midst! :-) But then one would miss out on the thrill of experiencing "the future" (and all the associated 'battles' :^) ) :-) . Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/15/2007 Basil Chupin wrote:
Oh my gosh. We are now relying on the Wikipedia for definitive and factual interpretations of words and meanings!
You did know that one can go in and edit what is in the Wikipedia?
Yes I am aware of that.
(If I memory hasn't totally failed me, wasn't there a (?)high school drop-out who was posting medical advice, and related articles, until he was found out either earlier this year or late last year?)
I wasn't aware of that particular incident. BUT, I generally find most of the information available on Wikipedia to be adequate for ever day life.
But, oh, OK, let's go with what you write above: "60% - 70% complete". How can something be this far "advanced" when someone - like me - cannot perform the very basic operation of simply properly installing it? I repeat: INSTALLING IT and not simply find there are some things not working correctly *after* the installation.
Cheers.
Not being an "expert" I would wonder if there was some issue with something in the architecture of your computer. Something that isn't compatible with something in the beta release. OR, another possibility. I was having an similar issue with my computer a while back and finally discovered that it was repaired by taking the memory sticks out of my computer and cleaning the sockets with a SOFT brush and a can of compressed air. It seems that a family of dust bunnies had taken up residence there and was causing an intermittent problem. Once they were evicted things worked fine. If you haven't opened the box lately and dusted things out, well, it is a possibility. OR, this could be a bug in the software that no one else has found yet. I don't know what the proper format for working with beta software is [ I try to stay as far from it as possible - Hell, as a general rule of thumb I wait a while when the final release version of something is released - I don't want to be anywhere near the bleeding edge ] but I think that would be the avenue to work out what the problem is. -- Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:02:41 +0100, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> wrote: Just an observation: this thread is IMHO becomming very messy and OT. Suggest starting new specific threads covering any important issues arrising from this one. Also, it is allways best to keep things civil - doesn't have to be completely humourless, but i'd generally reccomend avoiding going for quick sarcastic comebacks. This is a place to solve problems isn't it?, not to battle personalities. I'm a relative newcomer and this is not looking very cool. I've had a lot of trouble with this kind of thing on another ML - and in the end it never goes anywhere productive. Let's be civil huh? Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote: [pruned]
Not being an "expert" I would wonder if there was some issue with something in the architecture of your computer. Something that isn't compatible with something in the beta release.
This is always a possibility. But when the same computer is used with earlier versions of SuSE then it becomes just a bit suspicious whether the problem lies with the hardware.
OR, another possibility. I was having an similar issue with my computer a while back and finally discovered that it was repaired by taking the memory sticks out of my computer and cleaning the sockets with a SOFT brush and a can of compressed air. It seems that a family of dust bunnies had taken up residence there and was causing an intermittent problem. Once they were evicted things worked fine. If you haven't opened the box lately and dusted things out, well, it is a possibility.
OR, this could be a bug in the software that no one else has found yet. I don't know what the proper format for working with beta software is [ I try to stay as far from it as possible - Hell, as a general rule of thumb I wait a while when the final release version of something is released - I don't want to be anywhere near the bleeding edge ] but I think that would be the avenue to work out what the problem is. No software will always be bug free. It is simply a matter of how well
My computer is pulled apart on average every 3 months: it is cleaned and RAM etc is removed and reinstalled (so that the contact points are 'refreshed'). the authors pay attention to their product to make it as less bug free as possible when they make it available. This process/attitude is called "quality control"....and competent management. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 13 August 2007 02:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
It is Beta created on the fly using KIWI. http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
I have Midnight Commander, kernel source, and no nano, as I need only one text editor and I'm happy with the one in Midnight Commander. You can use Factory repository to install all missing packages or download DVD. Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2007 02:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
It is Beta created on the fly using KIWI. http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI
Rajko, I don't give a rat's arse what was used to create this Beta: KIWI or DODO or EMU or CHICKEN! The simple fact is that what I downloaded does not install. I have tried at least 5 different ways of installing 10.3 Beta 1 with 3 different HD combinations and file systems (reiserfs vs ext3) and nothing gets correctly installed.
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
I have Midnight Commander, kernel source, and no nano, as I need only one text editor and I'm happy with the one in Midnight Commander. You can use Factory repository to install all missing packages or download DVD.
Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta.
I would be most delighted if you could tell me how you managed to install anything on the ADDON NON OSS cd and to have Midnight Commander and the kernel source installed. I would also be *ECSTATIC* if you could tell me where you got the DVD version of Beta 1 of 10.3 containing ALL the software needed to install the full version of Beta 1 of v10.3. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 05:19, Basil Chupin wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2007 02:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
It is Beta created on the fly using KIWI. http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI
Rajko, I don't give a rat's arse what was used to create this Beta: KIWI or DODO or EMU or CHICKEN!
It was about Live CD, that doesn't install at all.
The simple fact is that what I downloaded does not install. I have tried at least 5 different ways of installing 10.3 Beta 1 with 3 different HD combinations and file systems (reiserfs vs ext3) and nothing gets correctly installed.
More about problems would be better, than general "it does not install". You are long enough around to know how useless is critique without details. You waste your time writing post, other reading it. It is Beta software and you are either ready for problems or avoid it.
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
I have Midnight Commander, kernel source, and no nano, as I need only one text editor and I'm happy with the one in Midnight Commander. You can use Factory repository to install all missing packages or download DVD.
Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta.
I would be most delighted if you could tell me how you managed to install anything on the ADDON NON OSS cd and to have Midnight Commander and the kernel source installed.
I used online Factory repository for both. I got to check current kernel version, before source download, as Factory is moving target, but short before and after any release it is frozen. So it is (was) possible to have all you want from there. Though with Beta it was interesting as zypper.db was corrupt. It is known bug and there is a workaround.
I would also be *ECSTATIC* if you could tell me where you got the DVD version of Beta 1 of 10.3 containing ALL the software needed to install the full version of Beta 1 of v10.3.
The full version is the FTP one, but DVD's are available using bittorrent: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/iso/torrent/ You can choose binaries and/or sources. For kernel sources you don't need DVD marked with SOURCES, as they are included on main DVD. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 05:19, Basil Chupin wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2007 02:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
It is Beta created on the fly using KIWI. http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI
Rajko, I don't give a rat's arse what was used to create this Beta: KIWI or DODO or EMU or CHICKEN!
It was about Live CD, that doesn't install at all.
Precisely. So why the need for a password? And what does it matter if it was "a Beta on the fly created using KIWI."? :-)
The simple fact is that what I downloaded does not install. I have tried at least 5 different ways of installing 10.3 Beta 1 with 3 different HD combinations and file systems (reiserfs vs ext3) and nothing gets correctly installed.
More about problems would be better, than general "it does not install". You are long enough around to know how useless is critique without details. You waste your time writing post, other reading it.
It is Beta software and you are either ready for problems or avoid it.
Yes, I have been using SuSE for some years now and have been in this forum for quite some time. This doesn't mean that I am prepared to accept a version of SuSE Beta 1 which will not even install even when I have tried "all the tricks" I learnt to use to be able to overcome problems. You know, the most interesting thing about all this is that I - nor my friend who is also a SuSE enthusiast - did not have troubles with SuSE until recent times (shortly after Novell took over SuSE to be exact). Prior to this, I/we had no real problems with installing/running SuSE - be it Beta of any flavour or final release.
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
I have Midnight Commander, kernel source, and no nano, as I need only one text editor and I'm happy with the one in Midnight Commander. You can use Factory repository to install all missing packages or download DVD.
Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta.
I would be most delighted if you could tell me how you managed to install anything on the ADDON NON OSS cd and to have Midnight Commander and the kernel source installed.
I used online Factory repository for both.
OK, what is the URL for this, please, Rajko?
I got to check current kernel version, before source download, as Factory is moving target, but short before and after any release it is frozen. So it is (was) possible to have all you want from there. Though with Beta it was interesting as zypper.db was corrupt. It is known bug and there is a workaround.
I would also be *ECSTATIC* if you could tell me where you got the DVD version of Beta 1 of 10.3 containing ALL the software needed to install the full version of Beta 1 of v10.3.
The full version is the FTP one, but DVD's are available using bittorrent: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/iso/torrent/
You can choose binaries and/or sources. For kernel sources you don't need DVD marked with SOURCES, as they are included on main DVD.
Eh, I cannot use, nor have access to, bittorrent. I can use, and did use, the FTP download of the CDs - which will not install correctly. Which means that I cannot install mc nor the kernel source nor any of the other bits which I normally install. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 08:27, Basil Chupin wrote:
I used online Factory repository for both.
OK, what is the URL for this, please, Rajko?
ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution and choose from any Factory. It seems that is not updated yet. The libzypp should be 3.14.0 and it is still on 3.13.... For a moment I wanted to say that it doesn't matter if you can't install. as it is included on installation media. Besides have you tried any other way to install? Where it stops? Have you checked most annoying bugs? http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_10.3_dev can you install Alpha7? -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 08:27, Basil Chupin wrote:
I used online Factory repository for both.
OK, what is the URL for this, please, Rajko?
ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution and choose from any Factory. It seems that is not updated yet. The libzypp should be 3.14.0 and it is still on 3.13....
For a moment I wanted to say that it doesn't matter if you can't install. as it is included on installation media.
Besides have you tried any other way to install? Where it stops? Have you checked most annoying bugs? http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_10.3_dev can you install Alpha7? Surely, Rajko, it it a moot point if I can install "Alpha7" or even if I read "...Most_Annoying_Bugs_....".
I read that beta 1 of 10.3 is available. I go and download it in the form I *AM* able to download it (not 'torrent' or dial-up or super-doopa broadband). And I find that I cannot install it - or, at least I can partially install it (not fully!). Why should I go and read "most annoying bugs" or even considering if I was able to install Alpha 7? Sorry, but what has any of this to do with the price of fish? :-) Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2007 02:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
It is Beta created on the fly using KIWI. http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
I have Midnight Commander, kernel source, and no nano, as I need only one text editor and I'm happy with the one in Midnight Commander. You can use Factory repository to install all missing packages or download DVD.
The CDs downloaded from the SuSE site do not contain mc or the kernel source or nano (pico IS there) - which is not what was the situation in the past. I cannot do without mc (the file manager of my choice),and the kernel source is ESSENTIAL to be able to install the nVidia driver.
Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta.
Previous betas did not have these problems. So why now? Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 22 August 2007 04:39:48 am Basil Chupin wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2007 02:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
Why does the 10.3 (Beta) Live even require the need for a stupid password?
It is Beta created on the fly using KIWI. http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI
(SuSE is going from bad to worse at each "improvement" "release" since Novell bought the German company. I downloaded the CD of 10.3 Beta 1 together with the CD of the ADDON-NON OSS Bi-Arch and there is NO way that I can install all the files/applications: there is no Midnight Commander, no kernel source, no pico or nano, no kradio, et alia.)
I have Midnight Commander, kernel source, and no nano, as I need only one text editor and I'm happy with the one in Midnight Commander. You can use Factory repository to install all missing packages or download DVD.
The CDs downloaded from the SuSE site do not contain mc or the kernel source or nano (pico IS there) - which is not what was the situation in the past.
I cannot do without mc (the file manager of my choice),and the kernel source is ESSENTIAL to be able to install the nVidia driver.
The mc is for me essential tool too, and that is the reason why I configured Factory repositories. It is not big deal as they are already included, just enable them. I can't expect that every package that I like can find place on CD.
Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta.
Previous betas did not have these problems. So why now?
Well, how long it takes to accept that openSUSE is changing to give single CD installation with usable desktop for new users. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has no mc either and not many feel that as defect. BTW, The console and mc are tools used by experienced users that should not have trouble to download one more package. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 22 August 2007 04:39:48 am Basil Chupin wrote:
[pruned]
The CDs downloaded from the SuSE site do not contain mc or the kernel source or nano (pico IS there) - which is not what was the situation in the past.
I cannot do without mc (the file manager of my choice),and the kernel source is ESSENTIAL to be able to install the nVidia driver.
The mc is for me essential tool too, and that is the reason why I configured Factory repositories. It is not big deal as they are already included, just enable them. I can't expect that every package that I like can find place on CD.
I expect, as anyone else trying out OpenSuSe (10.3 beta1 as an example), to download what has been officially stated as being available for download as SuSE vx.x betax to be installable and workable. Because YOU know about "Factory repositories" doesn't mean that anyone else should know about them, and use this knowledge to make get things working. What ARE "Factory repositories" and where are they mentioned, or 'instructions' given to be able to access them when installing, say, the beta of 10.3? If additional, specialised, knowledge is required to "make things work" then they should be specifically mentioned at the time of release.
Some beta bugs are annoying, but, as others mentioned, it is a beta.
Previous betas did not have these problems. So why now?
Well, how long it takes to accept that openSUSE is changing to give single CD installation with usable desktop for new users. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has no mc either and not many feel that as defect.
Eh, Rajko, I don't give a tinkers' cuss about what Ubuntu/Kubuntu, or whatever, have or have not :-) . I care about SuSE, what it always had in the past, and the way it is being denigrated a step at a time in recent times :-( .
BTW, The console and mc are tools used by experienced users that should not have trouble to download one more package. Ce?
Why should I, or anyone, need to download them as "one more package" (from where? the Factory repository which is not mentioned?) when it was always there to be installed on the CD/DVD downloadable as a SuSE alpha/beta/release? Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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