Hello world, I have a problem with some Word documents when I use Netscape. In fact, I have installed SuSE 6.2 and we use it for our intranet. But before whole documents were on a NT server and the used browser was Internet Explorer. Now, some people work on Linux with Netscape and cannot open *.doc (some other use Netscape under NT and they have the same problem). Someone can help me ? In advance many thanks. Lysiane -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Lysiane Dumont (EBR) wrote:
Hello world,
I have a problem with some Word documents when I use Netscape. In fact, I have installed SuSE 6.2 and we use it for our intranet. But before whole documents were on a NT server and the used browser was Internet Explorer. Now, some people work on Linux with Netscape and cannot open *.doc (some other use Netscape under NT and they have the same problem).
Someone can help me ?
I don't think Netscape supports the .doc format at all. At least not that I have ever heard. The only way I could see getting this to work is getting people to save their documents in .html format or using the Word doc viewer that comes with SuSE. Jim -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Lysiane Dumont (EBR) wrote:
I have a problem with some Word documents when I use Netscape. In fact, I have installed SuSE 6.2 and we use it for our intranet. But before whole documents were on a NT server and the used browser was Internet Explorer. Now, some people work on Linux with Netscape and cannot open *.doc (some other use Netscape under NT and they have the same problem).
They should install StarOffice if they want to read MS Word documents. -- Michael Hasenstein http://www.suse.de/~mha/ Private Pilot (ASEL) since 1998 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Wordperfect does a good job too, if the formatting isn't too tricky. Michael Hasenstein wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Lysiane Dumont (EBR) wrote:
I have a problem with some Word documents when I use Netscape. In fact, I have installed SuSE 6.2 and we use it for our intranet. But before whole documents were on a NT server and the used browser was Internet Explorer. Now, some people work on Linux with Netscape and cannot open *.doc (some other use Netscape under NT and they have the same problem).
They should install StarOffice if they want to read MS Word documents.
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Jim Ray wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Lysiane Dumont (EBR) wrote:
Hello world,
I have a problem with some Word documents when I use Netscape. In fact, I have installed SuSE 6.2 and we use it for our intranet. But before whole documents were on a NT server and the used browser was Internet Explorer. Now, some people work on Linux with Netscape and cannot open *.doc (some other use Netscape under NT and they have the same problem).
Someone can help me ?
I don't think Netscape supports the .doc format at all. At least not that I have ever heard. The only way I could see getting this to work is getting people to save their documents in .html format or using the Word doc viewer that comes with SuSE.
I'm quite sure Netscape doesn't support the .doc format; it assumes it will be interpreted by a helper application, normally Word itself. The problem with using Star Office under Linux for this purpose is that you have to provide the necessary fonts, although that can be done by installing TrueType support (another subject in itself). By the way, what is the name of the Word doc viewer? Paul -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
* On 12-01-00 at 19:05 Paul W. Abrahams (abrahams@mbs.valinet.com) wrote: +----Here quoted text begins----+
I'm quite sure Netscape doesn't support the .doc format; it assumes it will be interpreted by a helper application, normally Word itself. The problem with using Star Office under Linux for this purpose is that you have to provide the necessary fonts, although that can be done by installing TrueType support (another subject in itself). +----and here the quote ends----+
There is another problem, you could get a word viewer like mswordview or wordview to automatically display word documents, but how to tell netscape which programe to use for ms word 5 (office 95) and which for ms word 8 (office 97/2000) documents? Allthough mswordview does display a lot of pages - at least the text there is actually no programe in linux that I have tried that would "properly" (by that I mean to display fonts and/or images, tables, ...) display word docs. That is actually 2 bad couse most of my country uses doze and like the rest of the world every third person attaches *.doc files to e-mail and I really wouldn't like to run StarOffice every time just to see 4 lines of text ;) (not that SO would work everytime - at least not for me). I hope anyone has some better experience with some word converter/vewver for linux and can help all of us that are forced to view doc files out. Bostjan a.k.a. neonatus -- Bo¹tjan Müller [NEONATUS], NEONATUS@bigfoot.com, http://surf.to/NEONATUS RSA id: 0x90178DBD, ICQ #:7506644, PGP key: finger neonatus@gimp.thz.net GEEK CODE = PGP key Registered Linux User #87774, Powered by SuSE Linux 6.2 "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 07:28:11PM +0100, Bo?tjan Müller [NEONATUS] wrote:
Allthough mswordview does display a lot of pages - at least the text there is actually no programe in linux that I have tried that would "properly" (by that I mean to display fonts and/or images, tables, ...) display word docs.
After years of filtering .doc files using 'strings | fmt' or somesuch, I was pleased to find mswordview for a way to glimpse inside those files. I've used Applixware with fairly good results, and will probably try StarOffice if mswordview doesn't do it well enough, in future. <rant> MS Word uses an undocumented (by design) pseudo filesystem data structure which seems to change frequently. I would be surprised if anything other than MS Word itself (and only the same version) could display a Word .doc file _perfectly_.
That is actually 2 bad couse most of my country uses doze and like the rest of the world every third person attaches *.doc files to e-mail and I really wouldn't like to run StarOffice every time just to see 4 lines of text ;) (not that SO would work everytime - at least not for me).
It amazes me that people are (unknowingly) willing to trust their documents to an undocumented, proprietary, and continuously changing format. Ultimately, you _need_ MS Word to handle this stuff, which is no accident. <lame analogy> If information/data were money, then MS Word would be the Bank of Redmond, and people are converting their information/wealth to DOC certificates. Other banks (Unix Filters Trust, Bank of StarOffice, etc.) can be used, but the full value can only be redeemed by the issuing Bank. In the Perl world, they say "only perl can parse Perl", but that's due to the complexity of Perl, which admittedly does change over time, and not to the hiding of Perl's innards. Saying "only Word can read Word" wouldn't be far off, IMHO. I have the utmost respect for the efforts to handle DOC files, but they'll always be at least a step behind Word. Heck, even Word doesn't handle Word documents very well if the versions are not the same (in my limited experience). </rant>
I hope anyone has some better experience with some word converter/vewver for linux and can help all of us that are forced to view doc files out.
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Ken Irving wrote in
MS Word uses an undocumented (by design) pseudo filesystem data structure which seems to change frequently. I would be surprised if anything other than MS Word itself (and only the same version) could display a Word .doc file _perfectly_.
Ken, would you be surprized if I told you that the developers of M$ Word don't even know the file format? My last job was one of doing maintance on a program that had to read in word processor documents, M$ Word included. We had documentation on M$ Word 6.0/7.0 (same format) and on 8.0. But the funny thing is that the documentation even states that it is not 100% and the best way to access a M$ Word document is via OLE2. (For those of you that don't know what OLE2 is, OLE is the earlier version of COM. COM stands for Common Object Model. The M$'s COM/OLE/ActiveX technology allows a programmer to use another companies binary code from any language that can communicate via COM/OLE/ActiveX. What does it REALLY mean with M$ says you should use OLE to access a M$ Word document? It means that you have to HAVE M$ Word on your box so that the program that wants to read the M$ Word document can use M$ Word via OLE!!!!!! Button line is that to read a M$ Word file 100% correctly you either have to spend a huge amount of time figuring out what M$ doesn't even understand themself, or you have to use M$ Word, it's self, and your customers have to own M$ Word, too! On the other hand, Corel does a WONDERFUL job documenting the file format for Word Perfect 6 through 8, and I am sure that WP 2000 is no different.) Now, you might be wondering why nobody in M$ understands the M$ Word format, or Excel, or any of the other office product's formats. The reasoning is simply. Most MS Windows C++ Developers, self included, use Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFC) to speed up development. One feature of MFC is the ability to store the data within a C++ object with minimal work on the developers part. Let me say that again, MFC has the ability to store the applications developers data inside of his/her C++ objects for him/her. When MFC saves the C++ object's data to file it basically puts an envelope around each object. The envelope tells the MFC code which object the data belongs to once the data is read back in from the file. The result is that the developer of the application, nor the MFC developer as M$ fully understand the binary format of file! Assuming the program that wrote the file is the one that is going to read the file, this approach is wonderful. Being a MS Windows C++ Developer, I have used this feature before. It does speed things up a GREAT deal. The end result of this is another good argument for OSS (Open Source Software). If I write a program that uses this feature of a framework like MFC and both the framework and my code is OSS, then anyone can simply use the the C++ object I created to read in the data into their programs and do with it as they like. But the key is that you need to have the source code!!!!! OSS is the way of the future. For those of you that don't know about OSS, please take the time to read what www.opensource.org has to say on their web site. They also have what is called the Halloween document, it is long, but VERY worth reading!!!!! P.S. I am a MS Windows programmer because I like to eat:) I am working on ways to get away from the darkside!!!!! -- Sam Carleton ------------ http://www.bigfoot.com/~scarleton (Homepage) http://www.uptimes.net/hostinfo.html?hid=1218 (Linux Box) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Ken Irving wrote:
MS Word uses an undocumented (by design) pseudo filesystem data structure which seems to change frequently. I would be surprised if anything other than MS Word itself (and only the same version) could display a Word .doc file _perfectly_.
Ken, would you be surprized if I told you that the developers of M$ Word don't even know the file format? My last job was one of doing maintance on a program that had to read in word processor documents, M$ Word included. We had documentation on M$ Word 6.0/7.0 (same format) and on 8.0. But the funny thing is that the documentation even states that it is not 100% and the best way to access a M$ Word document is via OLE2. (For those of you that don't know what OLE2 is, OLE is the earlier version of COM. COM stands for Common Object Model. The M$'s COM/OLE/ActiveX technology allows a programmer to use another companies binary code from any language that can communicate via COM/OLE/ActiveX. What does it REALLY mean with M$ says you should use OLE to access a M$ Word document? It means that you have to HAVE M$ Word on your box so that the program that wants to read the M$ Word document can use M$ Word via OLE!!!!!! Button line is that to read a M$ Word file 100% correctly you either have to spend a huge amount of time figuring out what M$ doesn't even understand themself, or you have to use M$ Word, it's self, and your customers have to own M$ Word, too! On the other hand, Corel does a WONDERFUL job documenting the file format for Word Perfect 6 through 8, and I am sure that WP 2000 is no different.) Now, you might be wondering why nobody in M$ understands the M$ Word format, or Excel, or any of the other office product's formats. The reasoning is simply. Most MS Windows C++ Developers, self included, use Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFC) to speed up development. One feature of MFC is the ability to store the data within a C++ object with minimal work on the developers part. Let me say that again, MFC has the ability to store the applications developers data inside of his/her C++ objects for him/her. When MFC saves the C++ object's data to file it basically puts an envelope around each object. The envelope tells the MFC code which object the data belongs to once the data is read back in from the file. The result is that the developer of the application, nor the MFC developer as M$ fully understand the binary format of file! Assuming the program that wrote the file is the one that is going to read the file, this approach is wonderful. Being a MS Windows C++ Developer, I have used this feature before. It does speed things up a GREAT deal. The end result of this is another good argument for OSS (Open Source Software). If I write a program that uses this feature of a framework like MFC and both the framework and my code is OSS, then anyone can simply use the the C++ object I created to read in the data into their programs and do with it as they like. But the key is that you need to have the source code!!!!! OSS is the way of the future. For those of you that don't know about OSS, please take the time to read what www.opensource.org has to say on their web site. They also have what is called the Halloween document, it is long, but VERY worth reading!!!!! P.S. I am a MS Windows programmer because I like to eat:) I am working on ways to get away from the darkside!!!!! -- Sam Carleton ------------ http://www.bigfoot.com/~scarleton (Homepage) http://www.uptimes.net/hostinfo.html?hid=1218 (Linux Box) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Bo¹tjan Müller [NEONATUS] wrote:
* On 12-01-00 at 19:05 Paul W. Abrahams (abrahams@mbs.valinet.com) wrote: +----Here quoted text begins----+
I'm quite sure Netscape doesn't support the .doc format; it assumes it will be interpreted by a helper application, normally Word itself. The problem with using Star Office under Linux for this purpose is that you have to provide the necessary fonts, although that can be done by installing TrueType support (another subject in itself). +----and here the quote ends----+
There is another problem, you could get a word viewer like mswordview or wordview to automatically display word documents, but how to tell netscape which programe to use for ms word 5 (office 95) and which for ms word 8 (office 97/2000) documents?
Isn't Word 8 also capable of detecting Word 5 documents and interpreting them properly? I wonder if that carries over to the viewers. Paul -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Lysiane, I may be mistaken, but you might be looking at two different things here: the case where someone uses Netscape under NT (or any other MS operating system) and the case with Netscape (or any other browser) under Linux. Assuming that the NT users have a suitable version of MS Word on their machines, then if they cannot open *.doc files, it suggests that the Netscape application doesn't know about how to open these files. This is a Netscape configuration issue under MS - I can't advise here but I'm sure there's plenty of help elsewhere! Taking the other case, however, where you can't open the *.doc files under Netscape/Linux: to open a MS Word file on a Linux system, regardless of whether it's via Netscape, you need an application that understands them. Two that come with SuSE and are quite good (nothing's always perfect....!) are StarOffice and Word Perfect. Others probably exist! Do you have either of them installed? If so, then the easy option is to save a *.doc file from Netscape onto your disk, then open it in one of them. If you want, you can (via Preference, Navigator, Applications) set it up so that they are opened automatically via a click - take a look in there and see if it makes sense!! Not sure if this answers all (any??!) of your issues, but get back to us and someone will try again better able than I! Sean "Lysiane Dumont (EBR)" wrote:
Hello world,
I have a problem with some Word documents when I use Netscape. In fact, I have installed SuSE 6.2 and we use it for our intranet. But before whole documents were on a NT server and the used browser was Internet Explorer. Now, some people work on Linux with Netscape and cannot open *.doc (some other use Netscape under NT and they have the same problem).
Someone can help me ?
In advance many thanks.
Lysiane
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