Like it says. Two dead in the water freezes in two days for no explicible reason. WTF? Where do I go to get my install support? Preston
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:23]: -> ->Like it says. Two dead in the water freezes in two days for no explicible ->reason. WTF? Where do I go to get my install support? Problem is. You got it installed.. :) What you and I both need my friend is post-install support. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:23]: -> ->Like it says. Two dead in the water freezes in two days for no explicible ->reason. WTF? Where do I go to get my install support?
Problem is. You got it installed.. :)
What you and I both need my friend is post-install support. :)
I would consider this an install problem. Or a product problem. I might just get my money back. For the same money I could go download and burn Mandrake and have enough money left over for a TV card. Now that would be fun and more functional. The goofy thing is I had no problem the first day, but the last couple days I've had two freezes out of nowhere for no explainable reason. My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all) Pentium III 800 Radeon 7000 32MB Soundblaster Live Davcom 10/1000 ethernet HP Scanjet 2200C Sandisk Imagemate flash reader The odd thing is, and maybe this is a clue... When I did the initial install, I couldn't get into the second part of the install (after the system reboots for the first time) until I pulled all my USB devices. So I'm afraid this may be an issue. Some kind of goofy conflict between my USB devices and the video card. If it freezes again I'm going to pull the usb devices for a day and see what happens. Preston
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:41]: -> ->My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all) -> ->Pentium III 800 ->Radeon 7000 32MB ->Soundblaster Live But we do match up. We both have ATI Radeons and SB cards. I had every freeze in X which denotes the Radeon km maybe the issue. I'll be 20 bucks on it. I'll also bet that a 2.4.20 kernel will be out soon. ;) I can wait. I really didn't need anything that 8.1 offered so I'm content to let the patches roll out and use 8.0 for a bit. I just wish I hadn't wasted a week. But live and learn. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 03:23, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
But we do match up. We both have ATI Radeons and SB cards. I had every freeze in X which denotes the Radeon km maybe the issue. I'll be 20 bucks on it. I'll also bet that a 2.4.20 kernel will be out soon. ;)
Does that mean they're going to fix it if this is indeed a solvable problem? Because I already gave away 8.0 and bought 8.1. If there isn't a fix coming soon I might be inclined to return it while I still can.
I can wait. I really didn't need anything that 8.1 offered so I'm content to let the patches roll out and use 8.0 for a bit. I just wish I hadn't wasted a week. But live and learn. :)
That's the thing that sucks. When I'm running 8.1 I love it. It turns great. It's just crashed twice on me. Other than that it's much faster. And it seems to be well put together. Preston
On Sunday 13 October 2002 13:27, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 03:23, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
But we do match up. We both have ATI Radeons and SB cards. I had every freeze in X which denotes the Radeon km maybe the issue. I'll be 20 bucks on it. I'll also bet that a 2.4.20 kernel will be out soon. ;)
Does that mean they're going to fix it if this is indeed a solvable problem? Because I already gave away 8.0 and bought 8.1. If there isn't a fix coming soon I might be inclined to return it while I still can.
I can wait. I really didn't need anything that 8.1 offered so I'm content to let the patches roll out and use 8.0 for a bit. I just wish I hadn't wasted a week. But live and learn. :)
That's the thing that sucks. When I'm running 8.1 I love it. It turns great. It's just crashed twice on me. Other than that it's much faster. And it seems to be well put together.
Preston =======================
One thought came to mind after reading the posts on these lockups you guys are having and listing your equipment. Don't know if this will have anything to do with it or not, but I know it can be a problem hardware wise. Do you guys have your sound card in the first PCI slot next to the video card? If so, move it down a few slots if possible and retry the lockup syndrome. According to my hardware manual, it is not a good idea to locate a sound card or other heavily used card next to the AGP slot, which in essence shares the first PCI slot. Patrick --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206
* Patrick (penguin0601@earthlink.net) [021013 03:36]: -> ->One thought came to mind after reading the posts on these lockups you ->guys are having and listing your equipment. Don't know if this will ->have anything to do with it or not, but I know it can be a problem ->hardware wise. Do you guys have your sound card in the first PCI slot ->next to the video card? If so, move it down a few slots if possible ->and retry the lockup syndrome. Nope..video is in the AGP slot. The network is in PCI 2 and the soundcard is in PCI 4. I learned the spacer issue about 7 years ago. It wasn't an AGP issue then but the principal is the same. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 06:23, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:41]: -> ->My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all) -> ->Pentium III 800 ->Radeon 7000 32MB ->Soundblaster Live
But we do match up. We both have ATI Radeons and SB cards. I had every freeze in X which denotes the Radeon km maybe the issue. I'll be 20 <snip>
Ben, What motherboard are you using? And have you tried setting the BIOS settings to "Load Default", as if you just updated the BIOS? Doing so typically creates conservative performance settings for stability.
* L. Mark Stone (LMStone@LMStone.com) [021013 03:58]: -> ->What motherboard are you using? And have you tried setting the BIOS ->settings to "Load Default", as if you just updated the BIOS? Doing so ->typically creates conservative performance settings for stability. -> Yep, I turned the bios every which way but loose ..from the defaults to weird combinations of settings. I have an A7V Asus motherboard that I've had since Jan 2001. I hadn't changed the settings between 7.3, 8.0 or even 8.1. I hadn't gone into the bios even since I bought the mb back in '01. :) It's ok. I've gone back to 8.0 for the time being and it works. I think it was a 2.4.19 issue in combination with my hardware. Or an act of God..don't know which. Thanks though. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Yep, I turned the bios every which way but loose ..from the defaults to weird combinations of settings. I have an A7V Asus motherboard that I've had since Jan 2001. I hadn't changed the settings between 7.3, 8.0 or even 8.1. I hadn't gone into the bios even since I bought the mb back in '01. :) Hi: I was in the process of telling all about my random lock-ups and the BIOS change on my MSI KT3 ULTRA2 MOBO I made, APM to disabled, ACPI to auto; and
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prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:23]: -> ->Like it says. Two dead in the water freezes in two days for no explicible ->reason. WTF? Where do I go to get my install support?
Problem is. You got it installed.. :)
What you and I both need my friend is post-install support. :)
I would consider this an install problem. Or a product problem. I might just get my money back. For the same money I could go download and burn Mandrake and have enough money left over for a TV card. Now that would be fun and more functional.
The goofy thing is I had no problem the first day, but the last couple days I've had two freezes out of nowhere for no explainable reason.
My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all)
Pentium III 800
2 x Athlon 1600+ MP
Radeon 7000 32MB
nvidia GeForce4 64MB
Soundblaster Live
ditto
Davcom 10/1000 ethernet
Davicom 10/100
HP Scanjet 2200C
Scanjet 5100C My system is solid as a rock. No freezes so far //Anders
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 09:45, Anders Johansson wrote:
prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:23]: -> ->Like it says. Two dead in the water freezes in two days for no explicible ->reason. WTF? Where do I go to get my install support?
Problem is. You got it installed.. :)
What you and I both need my friend is post-install support. :)
I would consider this an install problem. Or a product problem. I might just get my money back. For the same money I could go download and burn Mandrake and have enough money left over for a TV card. Now that would be fun and more functional.
The goofy thing is I had no problem the first day, but the last couple days I've had two freezes out of nowhere for no explainable reason.
My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all)
Pentium III 800
2 x Athlon 1600+ MP
Radeon 7000 32MB
nvidia GeForce4 64MB
Soundblaster Live
ditto
Davcom 10/1000 ethernet
Davicom 10/100
HP Scanjet 2200C
Scanjet 5100C
My system is solid as a rock. No freezes so far
//Anders
Up 12 hours solid, no issues yet. Actually, I did notice something similer strange with OS X 10.2 on a G4, we could install any mac os up to 10.1, but 10.2 would not see any drive. Problem turned out to be hardware, was a logic board problem. Not saying this is the same issue here, but maybe just maybe something did change...Perhaps SuSE 8.1 uses your hardware more efficiently? Just a thought... Matt
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 09:38:54AM -0700, Preston Crawford beat on the keyboard:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 09:23]: -> ->Like it says. Two dead in the water freezes in two days for no explicible ->reason. WTF? Where do I go to get my install support?
Problem is. You got it installed.. :)
What you and I both need my friend is post-install support. :)
I would consider this an install problem. Or a product problem. I might just get my money back. For the same money I could go download and burn Mandrake and have enough money left over for a TV card. Now that would be fun and more functional.
The goofy thing is I had no problem the first day, but the last couple days I've had two freezes out of nowhere for no explainable reason.
My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all)
Pentium III 800 Radeon 7000 32MB Soundblaster Live Davcom 10/1000 ethernet HP Scanjet 2200C Sandisk Imagemate flash reader
The odd thing is, and maybe this is a clue... When I did the initial install, I couldn't get into the second part of the install (after the system reboots for the first time) until I pulled all my USB devices. So I'm afraid this may be an issue. Some kind of goofy conflict between my USB devices and the video card. If it freezes again I'm going to pull the usb devices for a day and see what happens.
Preston
I had lock up with the acpi stuff. Kinda weird how both you have ATI cards. It was a joke earlier on the ATI stuff (because of Ben's affliction, I mean affection with nVidia), maybe there is a link there. Maybe there is a driver problem with the ATI stuff. Can you use the driver from 8.0? -- _ _ __ _____ _____ ___| |_ | '__| / __\ \ /\ / / _ \/ _ \ __| -o) | | _ \__ \\ V V / __/ __/ |_ /\\ |_|(_) |___/ \_/\_/ \___|\___|\__|_\_v rsweet@garagenetworks.net "unix soit qui mal y pense."
* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021013 03:27]: -> ->Radeon was rock-solid under 8.0, so that seems odd. -> It is rocksolid under 8.0 which I am now running again. I didn't jump on the 8.0 bandwagon until several hundred megs of patches had been released..I could go back to 8.1 when this occurs. I'm not ruling anything out. Or I may wait for 8.2 ..I don't know. I just need a working machine so my wife won't be scared anymore from all the cursing. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Rachel Greenham wrote:
Preston Crawford wrote:
My hardware in case you're curious Ben (in case we match up at all)
You both have Radeons I think...
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Radeon was rock-solid under 8.0, so that seems odd.
<malicious mode> So was nvidia, but some people still managed to get them to crash Anders
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