. On this auspicious new-release occasion, I'd like to note the SAFEST way to finish your disk. All modern diskdrives have automatic error-checking, and in some cases -correction. And NO modern disk drives are low-level formatted at the factory. (Just LISTEN to me) There is a bit that can be set that does block-integrity checking during the period of the FIRST TEN POWER-CYCLES of the drive. After that there is no block-checking, believe it or not. If you do NOT fill up that drive within the first ten power-cycles you will likely have intermittant, unexplained corruptions. This is true whether you run Winduds, Linux, whatever. The moral is to go to your disk manufacturer's website, download their lowlevel format utility, and polish that disk. If you want, you can also set that bit on all the time, though it could impede performance. THEN install that shiny new 8. This post is intended to HELP people, not stimulate flames. :)~

::-> All modern diskdrives have automatic error-checking, and in some cases ::-> -correction. And NO modern disk drives are low-level formatted at the ::-> factory. (Just LISTEN to me) There is a bit that can be set that does ::-> block-integrity checking during the period of the FIRST TEN POWER-CYCLES of ::-> the drive. After that there is no block-checking, believe it or not. ::-> ::-> If you do NOT fill up that drive within the first ten power-cycles you will ::-> likely have intermittant, unexplained corruptions. This is true whether you ::-> run Winduds, Linux, whatever. This isn't FUD..it's the biggest bunch of misinformed crap I've ever heard. Please don't spew this kind of misinformation here. It will scare the hell out of the newbies and just isn't correct. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--

* Jerry Van Brimmer (jerryvb@vei.net) [020424 18:07]:

Who is this guy, Anon.Coward?

His mail comes from black_unmarked_mailserver.mil...coincidence? -- -ckm

* Christopher Mahmood [04-24-02 20:27]:

* Jerry Van Brimmer (jerryvb@vei.net) [020424 18:07]:

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Who is this guy, Anon.Coward?

His mail comes from black_unmarked_mailserver.mil...coincidence?

Pls, fwd me the hdrs. I'd like to check him out. I s-canned his posts. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org

. Fine. To dismiss without investigating is simply ignorant. I started investigating when I couldn't believe manufacturers had hundreds of disks on test rigs for hours assiduously doing their low-level formatting. I realize that this information does not conform to the "rigid orthodoxy", but it is something I've checked out in-depth. For those who AREN'T into puking on people, research it independently. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed. The rest of you can sod off. You give Linux a bad name with your crap attitudes. Let's see: Michael Nelson, Ben Rosenberg, SuSEnixER, Jerry Van Brimmer Any more? Do you have any idea how many people you turn off with this attitude? What a bunch of egotistical fecking garbage. Mean people SUCK! Feckin' former IBMers. BTW, my nick alludes to a practice on Slashdot, which newbies are generally not familiar with. On Wednesday, 24 April 2002 17:06, you wrote:

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:20:13PM -0500, Anon. Coward wrote: -> -> All modern diskdrives have automatic error-checking, and in some cases -> -correction. And NO modern disk drives are low-level formatted at the -> factory. (Just LISTEN to me) There is a bit that can be set that does -> block-integrity checking during the period of the FIRST TEN POWER-CYCLES of -> the drive. After that there is no block-checking, believe it or not. -> -> If you do NOT fill up that drive within the first ten power-cycles you will -> likely have intermittant, unexplained corruptions. This is true whether you -> run Winduds, Linux, whatever.

You certainly have an active imagination.

Michael

. "Black holes that only suck up the light", as the songwriter said. "Sucks all the oxygen out of the room", is what I say. I've seen the bullies work. d00d I am not here to convince you. I provided the key, for the sole purpose of others' benefit, and to resolve complex and disturbing problems, for those who are willing to do just a little work. This is indeed one of them thar "new-fangled ide-rs", so I expected flak from the few regressive pricks here. Alot of us just don't care about reflexive nay-sayers who won't get off their lazy butts. I tell you what. Prove to us that this function does NOT exist on Maxtor, WD, Seagate, etc. If you can't you nay-sayers SUCK. Michael Nelson, Ben Rosenberg, SuSEnixER, Jerry Van Brimmer I haven't heard from you yet. On Wednesday, 24 April 2002 22:16, you wrote:

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For those who AREN'T into puking on people, research it independently. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed.

Hmmm...

How about presenting your evidence instead of asking people to sod off and research it? And if you have outlandish claims, well back them up with outlandish evidence :).

If you stood before a panel of scientistsand said we're wrong about gravity and said some claims without evidence...Well you'd be roasted rather badly. And if you suggested that they can and do their own research on your claim, well they would also laugh at that too.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html is useful to know.

"BTW, my nick alludes to a practice on Slashdot, which newbies are generally not familiar with. "

Yeah most AC's usually end up with -1 for FP (first post). ;)

Matt PS Not trying to be mean, just want to know about your evidence.

I went to the Maxtor site and saw a utility that will perform a suite of tests and low level format the hard drive. Is this the utility that is in question? Matthew Johnson wrote:

On Wednesday 24 April 2002 20:51, Anon. Coward wrote:

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. "Black holes that only suck up the light", as the songwriter said. "Sucks all the oxygen out of the room", is what I say. I've seen the bullies work.

d00d I am not here to convince you. I provided the key, for the sole purpose of others' benefit, and to resolve complex and disturbing problems, for those who are willing to do just a little work.

Great, a l33t...This problem does not seem so complex, it either exists as you have said, or it does not.

...

This is indeed one of them thar "new-fangled ide-rs", so I expected flak from the few regressive pricks here.

Did a search and found more naughty sites than you can shake a stick at. Not one talked about what you're saying. In fact here is one of the nearest hits:

http://www.qnx.com/products/ps_ide/

http://www.tdk.com/tecpress/velocd12x.html

http://search.seagate.com

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Alot of us just don't care about reflexive nay-sayers who won't get off their lazy butts.

You're the one who is making outlandish claims without backing it up and FYI I did do some research and found zilch. Again, you are weakening your position by attacking the arguer, not the argument. If you bring forth some information and fail to back it up, its not up to us to find it. It is indeed up to you to produce it. Its amazing how many flames I have avoided and arguments settled just by included a couple of links or so to the source of the information.

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I tell you what. Prove to us that this function does NOT exist on Maxtor, WD, Seagate, etc. If you can't you nay-sayers SUCK.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The original argument is based on your claim that you have yet to prove. How can one prove that it does not exist there without it even existing? You need to prove that its there again...You found it before and you should be able to find it again.

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Michael Nelson, Ben Rosenberg, SuSEnixER, Jerry Van Brimmer I haven't heard from you yet.

They are not going to waste their time on you until you prove your point to them (and to others).

Are you talking about "Pixie Dust" here?

Matt PS This is Off-Topic, please prove your point so we can get back to SuSE Linux discussions. If not then I will have to file it under "unproven theory".

-- Jose jmirles@fuckwindows.com The box said "Windows 2000 or higher required," so I used Linux...

On Thursday 25 April 2002 14:22, Anon. Coward wrote:

Again, I do not care about the bully orthodoxy, to prove anything.

Have you read any books by Martin Gardner? If you haven't let me recommend to you (and others) Fads and fallacies in the name of science. Another is Science - good bag and bogus. While they're not strictly on topic here they do make a brilliant read, and give an insight into the mind of the pseudo-scientist. One thing you'll learn from reading those books is how the pseudo-scientiscs handle themselves in an argument. A common feature is that their arguments consist of two parts: one true, moderately easily checked and verifiable, thus lending credence to the other part which is generally filled with very complex, frequently made-up, technically sounding words that don't mean anything. Another feature is when the opponent refuses to believe the - ofter preposteruous - conclusions, and that is screaming about "orthodoxy". This word, outside the religious world, is most frequently used by pseudo-scientists to characterize their opponents. The idea is to compare themselves in the minds of the laymen unqualified to look through their arguments to such scientific rebels such as Einstein and Galileo; after all, weren't those greats also ridiculed by their contemporaries. The big difference of course is that Einstein and Galileo backed up their arguments by falsifiable statements and were prepared to admit if they were wrong (it happened). For examples of this in the current computer world see Steve Gibson - and Mr. Coward. regards Anders

Charles Griffin wrote:

--- Anders Johansson wrote:

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Again, I do not care about the bully orthodoxy, to

On Thursday 25 April 2002 14:22, Anon. Coward wrote: prove anything.

Have you read any books by Martin Gardner? If you haven't let me recommend to you (and others) Fads and fallacies in the name of science. Another is Science - good bag and bogus.

While they're not strictly on topic here they do make a brilliant read, and give an insight into the mind of the pseudo-scientist.

One thing you'll learn from reading those books is how the pseudo-scientiscs handle themselves in an argument. A common feature is that their arguments consist of two parts: one true, moderately easily checked and verifiable, thus lending credence to the other part which is generally filled with very complex, frequently made-up, technically sounding words that don't mean anything.

Another feature is when the opponent refuses to believe the - ofter preposteruous - conclusions, and that is screaming about "orthodoxy". This word, outside the religious world, is most frequently used by pseudo-scientists to characterize their opponents. The idea is to compare themselves in the minds of the laymen unqualified to look through their arguments to such scientific rebels such as Einstein and Galileo; after all, weren't those greats also ridiculed by their contemporaries.

The big difference of course is that Einstein and Galileo backed up their arguments by falsifiable statements and were prepared to admit if they were wrong (it happened).

For examples of this in the current computer world see Steve Gibson - and Mr. Coward.

regards Anders

FWIW, when I tried to install SuSE 7.3 on my second hard drive (a Maxtor), which had been subjected to three or four other distro installations, it just wouldn't install. It kept hanging at various points during the installation. So, I went to the Maxtor website, downloaded their little low-level format program, and proceeding to perform a low-level format on the troublesome drive.

The next time I tried to install 7.3, it worked flawlessly. Now, I don't know if the low-level format utility did the trick, or if it was just a coincidence, but I do know that when I get around to trying 8.0, I'll be firing up that little Maxtor utility.

Just my $0.02.

Many hard drives grow errors with use. The low-level format generally finds these "bad spots" and adds them to the "so called" grown defect list. This makes the space unseen by the higher-level reads/writes. This is very normal. These Grown errors happen for many reasons ranging from poor manufacturing proceses to defects in material used. The drives made today are much less likey for this to happen but it still does and should still be considered normal. Mark

On Thursday, 25 April 2002 8:24, you wrote:

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Many hard drives grow errors with use. The low-level format generally finds these "bad spots" and adds them to the "so called" grown defect list. This makes the space unseen by the higher-level reads/writes.

Actually, to be strictly accurate, different disks do different things on a low level format. Some do nothing more than wipe the partition table and other important areas of the surface. Many will do a write of zeros across all sectors, some will do a write-verify, and some will do a write-read. Some will build defect tables as you mention, some will actually do bad sector reassigns there and then. It depends on the disk.

Right. And many manufacturers give you a choice of whether to write the whole disk or not. Just to be clear, yes you do want to write it all, whether it's with zeros, or some kind of test pattern. Once this is done, you have marked (reassigned) all physical defects and do not need the reassign or block-test function; it WILL affect performance if you use it. No worries though. Very, very few new errors will appear now, unless the drive gets too hot. I've managed to get my message to those who matter to me. To the vomiting brawlers, sod off. I just made all this up, and it is completely worthless information. Actually it is worse than that: it is dangerous misinformation that you'd better do the opposite of.

* Anon. Coward (quantum@ultra2k.com) [020425 09:58]:

To the vomiting brawlers, sod off. I just made all this up, and it is completely worthless information. Actually it is worse than that: it is dangerous misinformation that you'd better do the opposite of.

Ah, so I don't need to tell you what Jens Axboe and Andre Hedrick said then. Good. Back to sodding off, -- -ckm

On Thursday 25 April 2002 20:18, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

Ah, so I don't need to tell you what Jens Axboe and Andre Hedrick said then. Good.

Could you tell the rest of us? Those two aren't exactly known for their diplomacy :) Anders

On Thursday, 25 April 2002 13:51, you wrote:

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [020425 11:37]:

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On Thursday 25 April 2002 20:18, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

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Ah, so I don't need to tell you what Jens Axboe and Andre Hedrick said then. Good.

Could you tell the rest of us? Those two aren't exactly known for their diplomacy :)

That it's completely ridicules of course. They didn't say "The poster should stick to polishing tables at McDonalds" or anything like that because they are both very nice people but if I were posting from a non-SuSE address I might try to come up with some sort of witty remark like that. Oh well,

Oooo, nasty jab from Suse themselves. Does everyone see this? Remember, in this, I was attacked with no provocation. I earnestly and specifically laid out an innovative (tho tested) idea, and specifically noted that I expected flames. I did this, not for monetary gain, and not to gain fans (as some here do), but to *simply*help*at*least*a*few*people*out*there*. Suse doesn't recognise it, but this will help them too. And I was received like I was trying to overthrow the government. As expected: Michael Nelson: "You certainly have an active imagination." Matthew Johnson Suggested I go to the 'baloney-detection site'. Matthew Johnson: "Are you talking about "Pixie Dust" here?" Greg Hicks: "(You) go around spewing nonsense and then not back it up. If you are so self righteous as to come forward with this sort of drivel then you should at least provide links to sites that provide a little support to your wild claims. Anon. Coward =Anonymous Coward = Afraid to even prove who he is" {dumbass} And several much more nasty attacks, BEFORE I stood up for myself. This seems to be a sick climate, which discourages the really talented ones who are first to be injured when sideswiped by a bully. Then we lose them. And we are all much poorer for it. I have said that I recognize I am not conforming to the rigid orthodoxy. And you know what I mean. We are actually in the majority here. So I'd like to ask everyone this: If three months from now, you find my suggestion helpful, or at least not harmful, please remember what Christopher Mahmood of Suse said: "(Jens Axboe and Andre Hedrick) didn't say 'the poster should stick to polishing tables at McDonalds' or anything like that because they are both very nice people but if I were posting from a non-SuSE address I might try to come up with some sort of witty remark like that." Who's to say you didn't? I am disappointed now with Suse. I think Suse is a nice distro, but I am not married to it. I am now concerned with openness to change here, tolerance of caustic attitudes, and allowing a climate of fear on this forum. (If you ever hesitate to ask, you know what I mean) Me? I returned fire, for a change. Hurts, don't it? I am bemused by the number of people wanting me to spoon-feed them, when they exactly are the RTFM cartel. Big talkers. No ideas. Innovators RULE! Mean people SUCK!

This should be taken off-line folks, very non productive.

On Thursday 25 April 2002 21:35, Anon. Coward wrote:

Remember, in this, I was attacked with no provocation.

Oh please. I looked at the logs and the closest thing to a sensible attempt to help from you was a suggestion that an unformatted swap partition might be causing a kernel crash. Everything else has been either utter nonsense or personal insults (re. your comments to Ben a while back)

gain, and not to gain fans (as some here do), but to

Post to this list to gain fans? Wouldn't that be rather silly? I know some post here to be a part of a community, some to advertise their skills to get jobs (hint :) and some because they like to keep in touch with the list in case they should ever need help in future. But gain fans???

And I was received like I was trying to overthrow the government.

You had no arguments. You are the classic pseudoscientific nut, as I described in my earlier post. I really don't care if you're correct or not. With your style of argumentation I'm really not prepared to listen. Anders

* Christopher Mahmood (ckm@suse.com) [020425 11:51]: :: ::That it's completely ridicules of course. They didn't say "The ::poster should stick to polishing tables at McDonalds" or anything ::like that because they are both very nice people but if I were ::posting from a non-SuSE address I might try to come up with some ::sort of witty remark like that. Oh well, :: To quote George Carlin.. " When you look at the average American you realize there's nothing nature enjoy's more then a good joke. " -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--

On Thursday 25 April 2002 14:51, Charles Griffin wrote:

FWIW, when I tried to install SuSE 7.3 on my second hard drive (a Maxtor), which had been subjected to three or four other distro installations, it just wouldn't install. It kept hanging at various points during the installation. So, I went to the Maxtor website, downloaded their little low-level format program, and proceeding to perform a low-level format on the troublesome drive.

The next time I tried to install 7.3, it worked flawlessly. Now, I don't know if the low-level format utility did the trick, or if it was just a coincidence, but I do know that when I get around to trying 8.0, I'll be firing up that little Maxtor utility.

Just my $0.02.

This would be a good example of what I was calling "part 1" of the argument. A low level format is something most people have heard of and know can be good to run on occasion, but relatively few (including me) know what it does exactly. But that wasn't what Mr. Coward was talking about. Now, I'm very far from a hardware expert, so I can't claim to know what an IDE drive does or does not do. Mr. Coward could be talking about the -D option of hdparm, I don't know. My point was just that his method of argument bore all the hallmarks of the classic nut. He may have a (albeit muddled) point, I'm not qualified to say. I do know that I'm not about to take his word for it, and if he wants to be taken seriously he should a) not use a very silly nickname, and b) learn how to argue properly. Anders

On Thursday 25 April 2002 07:22 am, you wrote:

. I'll be darned... a civil question

I was beginning to think there were only overbearing loudmouths in this airspace.

Yes, manufacturers often provide a low-level format utility, and another utility to set such things as block-testing, noise level, etc..

Again, I do not care about the bully orthodoxy, to prove anything.

I'm sure all of us have worked in an office where the ethos was just terrible. Everyone is tense and worried about each other, and you just hate to go to work in the morning. Well people, this is almost always caused by a very few 'stink generators', and if you identify those few publically, it does help. You can usually recognize them, because they are the ones who bulldoze people with their uninformed notions and idiotic political ideas. Ideally those types should be forced to live in their own nasty mess, but in practice they benefit from an improved environment just like everyone else, unfortunately.

For those who are listening, please look into this. You'll benefit.

I've been watching this thread since it started. AC...if you want *anyone* to take you seriously, you've got to supply a few sources for everyone to look at. *You're* the one who came in here, said something, and just left it at that. Surely you can't expect anyone to take it seriously, and especially so if you don't even throw in a few of the sources that *you* used to get this info. You're just not using any common sense man. Tell us where you went to get this info, so that others can look at it too. If you don't, then you are *exactly* like most trolls in NG's...spew something out without backing it up, just to get a rise out of anyone. John -- M$: What can we do to frustrate and aggravate you today?

On Thursday 25 April 2002 12:22, Anon. Coward wrote: (I really should know better than to stick my oar in, but... autodisclaimer on; all statements are my own, not that of any other person/organisation.)

I'll be darned... a civil question

I was beginning to think there were only overbearing loudmouths in this airspace.

Hm. I wouldn't call myself an expert on the subject, but after about 9 years on sundry newsfroups, I have to say that *most* of the "one vs. many" disputes I've ever seen arise from the single person disrupting the general consensus. (Check any number of similar occurrences in places like ASR[1] or bofh.*) Furthermore, I would hasten to add that none of the people you named have ever been even vaguely rude to me; indeed, when Ben was at SuSE, he was one of the people who really did go out of his way to help people posting to SLE.

Yes, manufacturers often provide a low-level format utility, and another utility to set such things as block-testing, noise level, etc..

Again, ICBW, but I think that, as far as modern ATA drives go, the 'low-level format' utilities don't generally do a true LLF (i.e. doing stuff to the geometry); they just give you diagnostics and allow you to zero-fill your disk. http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/low_level_ata.html has an example.

Again, I do not care about the bully orthodoxy, to prove anything.

Hm. How does that sound if you replace 'bully orthodoxy' with 'the democratic wishes of the majority'? "I do not care about the democratic wishes of the majority, to prove anything". As with any (democratic) social space, the accepted codes of behaviour *are* defined by the majority. If any one individual does not like or accept such rules, their choices are pretty clear...

I'm sure all of us have worked in an office where the ethos was just terrible. Everyone is tense and worried about each other, and you just hate to go to work in the morning. Well people, this is almost always caused by a very few 'stink generators', and if you identify those few publically, it does help.

It *helps* to (publicly) identify people as your own personal enemies? Do people shove anti-personnel mines under your chair or something? - in my experience, allowing personal feuds to run rife doesn't do a thing for office harmony. Well, nothing positive, anyway.

You can usually recognize them, because they are the ones who bulldoze people with their uninformed notions and idiotic political ideas.

Now *that* is verging on the frankly scary. Simplistic stereotyping of peoples' political ideas have a bearing on their worthiness in the workplace? In the Politburo, maybe; but really - I've never worked with anyone sufficiently die-hard and radical to let it affect their work. (And I say that as a lefty liberal anarcho-syndicalist. I can get on with practically anyone in the workplace, as long as they permit me my right to my opinion; and I have the corresponding obligation to do the same for them. My own political beliefs do *not* alter the fact that I do a job for the money; and therefore have an obligation to do that contracted job to the best of my abilities.)

Ideally those types should be forced to live in their own nasty mess, but in practice they benefit from an improved environment just like everyone else, unfortunately.

If everyone had to pay in full for every mistake they made, when would any of us be free of it? Making mistakes is what people do a large amount of the time, since experience and learning are impossible without it.

For those who are listening, please look into this. You'll benefit.

I've looked, and from here, it looks like a temper tantrum. There are any number of better and more productive things to be doing on a nice spring day like this. Gideon.

On Thursday 25 April 2002 14:58, Michael Garabedian wrote:

If you want to cause trouble, go to the qmail list, they are always of for loud mouths that don't mean anything... Take it from me I know <wink>

Oh lor. Be very *very* careful what you say, unless you want djb on your tail for all eternity... (The guy *must* have a Kibozing filter set up, since he turns up wherever people slag off things like qmail or djbdns; and explains the error of their ways to them in some detail.)

I love this list, so many helpful people, so many great ideas, who could ask for anything more.

Indeed. I think that SLE provides a far better and more informed support area than any of the non-free software products ever could; since most of the people here *are* elbow-deep in their machines, and thus will have come across the problem as often as not. Gideon.

This is getting quite annoying, I am a newbie to Linux, but NOT computers. And yes you ARE here to convince us, one does not go around spewing nonsense and then not back it up. If you are so self righteous as to come forward with this sort of drivel then you should at least provide links to sites that provide a little support to your wild claims. Greg Hicks Linux Newbie - Not Sucker P.S. I bet he is just upset because X Files is ending and with claims like he has it HAS to be his favorite show. And the nick he uses? Anon. Coward = Anonymous Coward = Afraid to even prove who he is, funny that he lists so many people willing to put their real names on their posts. Puts much more credibility into what they say. No more to be said by me on this subject, except is it possible to block people from the list? -----Original Message----- From: Anon. Coward [mailto:quantum@ultra2k.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:51 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Polish That Disk . "Black holes that only suck up the light", as the songwriter said. "Sucks all the oxygen out of the room", is what I say. I've seen the bullies work. d00d I am not here to convince you. I provided the key, for the sole purpose of others' benefit, and to resolve complex and disturbing problems, for those who are willing to do just a little work. This is indeed one of them thar "new-fangled ide-rs", so I expected flak from the few regressive pricks here. Alot of us just don't care about reflexive nay-sayers who won't get off their lazy butts. I tell you what. Prove to us that this function does NOT exist on Maxtor, WD, Seagate, etc. If you can't you nay-sayers SUCK. Michael Nelson, Ben Rosenberg, SuSEnixER, Jerry Van Brimmer I haven't heard from you yet. On Wednesday, 24 April 2002 22:16, you wrote:

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For those who AREN'T into puking on people, research it independently. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed.

Hmmm...

How about presenting your evidence instead of asking people to sod off and research it? And if you have outlandish claims, well back them up with outlandish evidence :).

If you stood before a panel of scientistsand said we're wrong about gravity and said some claims without evidence...Well you'd be roasted rather badly. And if you suggested that they can and do their own research on your claim, well they would also laugh at that too.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html is useful to know.

"BTW, my nick alludes to a practice on Slashdot, which newbies are generally not familiar with. "

Yeah most AC's usually end up with -1 for FP (first post). ;)

Matt PS Not trying to be mean, just want to know about your evidence.

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Hi All & AC, who made some very strong claims about HDD usage. If you would like me or anyone else to believe them, then where is your strong evidence or did I miss that post? *BFN* Greek Geek Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling? Anon. Coward wrote:

. Fine.

To dismiss without investigating is simply ignorant.

I started investigating when I couldn't believe manufacturers had hundreds of disks on test rigs for hours assiduously doing their low-level formatting.

I realize that this information does not conform to the "rigid orthodoxy", but it is something I've checked out in-depth.

For those who AREN'T into puking on people, research it independently. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed.

The rest of you can sod off. You give Linux a bad name with your crap attitudes. Let's see: Michael Nelson, Ben Rosenberg, SuSEnixER, Jerry Van Brimmer Any more?

Do you have any idea how many people you turn off with this attitude? What a bunch of egotistical fecking garbage.

Mean people SUCK! Feckin' former IBMers.

BTW, my nick alludes to a practice on Slashdot, which newbies are generally not familiar with.

On Wednesday, 24 April 2002 17:06, you wrote:

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On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:20:13PM -0500, Anon. Coward wrote: -> -> All modern diskdrives have automatic error-checking, and in some cases -> -correction. And NO modern disk drives are low-level formatted at the -> factory. (Just LISTEN to me) There is a bit that can be set that does -> block-integrity checking during the period of the FIRST TEN POWER-CYCLES of -> the drive. After that there is no block-checking, believe it or not. -> -> If you do NOT fill up that drive within the first ten power-cycles you will -> likely have intermittant, unexplained corruptions. This is true whether you -> run Winduds, Linux, whatever.

You certainly have an active imagination.

Michael

Hi SuSErs :) Low Level Format ________________ ~ please, what does this mean ? thank you ____________ sent on Linux ____________

In Slashdot's, Anonymous Coward format it means braindead. Typical statement from one who can't prove a point by discussion and so must attack the creator of that point personally in an attempt to denigrate the person instead. Personally I feel sorry for those of this mental structure, they rarely do good for themselves when they forget to take their pills. scsijon At 07:23 AM 4/25/02 +0000, you wrote:

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Dude, your like a day late and a dollar short. This thread died a long time ago. *laugh* * SteelHead (bill@ries-knight.net) [020531 11:12]: ::You are rude dude! ::get a life and be real. :: ::Bil :: ::! -----Original Message----- ::! From: Anon. Coward [mailto:quantum@ultra2k.com] ::! Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:02 PM ::! To: suse-linux-e@suse.com ::! Subject: [SLE] Polish That Disk ::! ::! ::! . ::! Fine. ::! ::! To dismiss without investigating is simply ignorant. ::! ::! I started investigating when I couldn't believe manufacturers had ::! hundreds of ::! disks on test rigs for hours assiduously doing their low-level ::! formatting. ::! ::! I realize that this information does not conform to the "rigid ::! orthodoxy", ::! but it is something I've checked out in-depth. ::! ::! For those who AREN'T into puking on people, research it ::! independently. Give it a go. You won't be disappointed. ::! ::! The rest of you can sod off. You give Linux a bad name with your crap ::! attitudes. Let's see: ::! Michael Nelson, ::! Ben Rosenberg, ::! SuSEnixER, ::! Jerry Van Brimmer ::! Any more? ::! ::! Do you have any idea how many people you turn off with this ::! attitude? What a ::! bunch of egotistical fecking garbage. ::! ::! Mean people SUCK! Feckin' former IBMers. ::! ::! BTW, my nick alludes to a practice on Slashdot, which newbies are ::! generally ::! not familiar with. ::! ::! ::! ::! On Wednesday, 24 April 2002 17:06, you wrote: ::! > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:20:13PM -0500, Anon. Coward wrote: ::! > -> ::! > -> All modern diskdrives have automatic error-checking, and in ::! some cases ::! > -> -correction. And NO modern disk drives are low-level ::! formatted at the ::! > -> factory. (Just LISTEN to me) There is a bit that can be ::! set that does ::! > -> block-integrity checking during the period of the FIRST TEN ::! POWER-CYCLES ::! > of -> the drive. After that there is no block-checking, ::! believe it or not. ::! > -> ::! > -> If you do NOT fill up that drive within the first ten ::! power-cycles you ::! > will -> likely have intermittant, unexplained corruptions. This is true ::! > whether you -> run Winduds, Linux, whatever. ::! > ::! > You certainly have an active imagination. ::! > ::! > Michael ::! ::! -- ::! To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ::! For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ::! ::! Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com ::! :: :: :: ::-- ::To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ::For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ::Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com :: -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--