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On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 16:19:33 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez said:

Cristian> El 08/08/13 15:12, Togan Muftuoglu escribió: >> I have disabled all the rubbish, but the real question why on the earth >> this was packaged with these enabled ? >> Cristian> That's the expected behavior. we are not going to cripple Cristian> software just to please the crazy paranoid delusions some people Cristian> have. Well, if I am not mistaken by EU regulations opt-in is the default not opt-out, and if that is the case it is a clear violation, regardless of crazy or not in addition paranoid or not. -- Life is endless possibilities -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 08/09/2013 02:12 AM, Serge Bromow wrote:

On 08/08/2013 04:19 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

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El 08/08/13 15:12, Togan Muftuoglu escribió:

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I have disabled all the rubbish, but the real question why on the earth this was packaged with these enabled ?

That's the expected behavior. we are not going to cripple software just to please the crazy paranoid delusions some people have.

Is that the expected behaviour? What an odd expectation.

Yes, browsers have features enabled by default in order to improve user-experience and collect bug reports, if that is not wanted, you have to disable it or complain to Mozilla. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 02:40:16 -0400, Cristian Rodríguez said:

Cristian> On 08/09/2013 02:12 AM, Serge Bromow wrote: >> >> On 08/08/2013 04:19 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote: >>> El 08/08/13 15:12, Togan Muftuoglu escribió: >>> >>>> I have disabled all the rubbish, but the real question why on >>>> the earth this was packaged with these enabled ? >>>> >>> That's the expected behavior. we are not going to cripple >>> software just to please the crazy paranoid delusions some >>> people have. >>> >>> >> Is that the expected behaviour? What an odd expectation.

Cristian> Yes, browsers have features enabled by default in order to Cristian> improve user-experience and collect bug reports, if that is not Cristian> wanted, you have to disable it or complain to Mozilla.

Cristian, you are missing a vital point here openSUSE's buildservice and it's biggest sponsor SUSE are located in EU. That means open or closed source EU regulations apply, and the regulation is opt-in, meaning the user has to give consent. If not it is a violation of EU regulations, not counting civil rights of the user.

According to https://en.opensuse.org/Firefox Firefox is installed by default in openSUSE with the SUSEfox extension. That means it is not pure upstream hence, privacy related settings can be disabled as well.

Hi Togan ISTR Firefox asking permission to send telemetry (I can't remember the actual wording) when it's first started after a new installation. If the data collection you mention goes beyond that, I think you ought to open a bugreport. This is not about paranoia, it's about common sense. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 09.08.2013 09:29, schrieb Togan Muftuoglu:

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On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:14:03 +0200, Per Jessen said:

Per> Hi Togan

Per> ISTR Firefox asking permission to send telemetry (I can't remember Per> the actual wording) when it's first started after a new installation. Per> If the data collection you mention goes beyond that, I think you Per> ought to open a bugreport. This is not about paranoia, it's about Per> common sense.

You're right about telemetry shit, I always disable that so forget about it. And yes I will open a bug report

Togan

Please let me know if you already opened a bugreport. On all installations I've seen Firefox asked at first start after update if sending that data should be allowed or not. So your case (if it really didn't ask what I'm not sure about yet) might be an exception. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 09.08.2013 09:58, schrieb Togan Muftuoglu:

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Wolfgang Rosenauer writes:

Wolfgang> Am 09.08.2013 09:29, schrieb Togan Muftuoglu: >>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:14:03 +0200, Per Jessen said: >> Per> Hi Togan >> Per> ISTR Firefox asking permission to send telemetry (I can't remember Per> the actual wording) when it's first started after a new installation. Per> If the data collection you mention goes beyond that, I think you Per> ought to open a bugreport. This is not about paranoia, it's about Per> common sense. >> >> You're right about telemetry shit, I always disable that so forget about >> it. And yes I will open a bug report >> >> Togan

Wolfgang> Please let me know if you already opened a bugreport. On all Wolfgang> installations I've seen Firefox asked at first start after Wolfgang> update if sending that data should be allowed or not. So your Wolfgang> case (if it really didn't ask what I'm not sure about yet) might Wolfgang> be an exception.

I haven't I wanted to be sure before doing so, as this machine has been always on the upgrade track, hence the last clean os install was probably 3 years ago.

But I am 100% sure there was no question regarding data mining

Ok, could you please raise that issue as a bug @mozilla.org and let us/me know the bug id? In addition I'll check what to do with the default options if it's really turned on w/o notification. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/08/13 10:53, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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Wolfgang Rosenauer writes:

>> I haven't I wanted to be sure before doing so, as this machine has been >> always on the upgrade track, hence the last clean os install was probably >> 3 years ago. >> >> But I am 100% sure there was no question regarding data mining

Wolfgang> Ok, could you please raise that issue as a bug @mozilla.org and Wolfgang> let us/me know the bug id? In addition I'll check what to do Wolfgang> with the default options if it's really turned on w/o Wolfgang> notification.

I think the best is to turn off default, as I said before many times opt-in is the expected behaviour not opt-out.

Raising a bug in mozilla, himm another registration yuk :=(

I believe you could have missed this quite easily. I've gone through upgrades on three separate machines, each with multiple user accounts, and I've always noticed this message, but it isn't necessarily obvious. You could check quite easily by closing Firefox, renaming your Firefox profile at /.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini, restarting Firefox and seeing what messages pop up on the first couple of occasions (I don't recall if it's the very first time opening the app or later). In the same way that you receive a message in the status bar at the top or bottom of the browser window informing you of your rights, you might see another 'Improve Firefox' message along the lines of 'Mozilla sends information to help blah blah, would you like to enable...' and a button to accept, which you might have clicked without thinking just to hide the message / panel. Something similar to this example: https://bug652657.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=532566 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Doug writes:

Go to Preferences>Data Choices.there you'll find a check-box next to the text "Enable telemetry" I have never looked at this before, but I found that the check-box was empty. Since I never got asked the question, AFAIK, it would seem that FF defaults to OFF. But you can always look, and fix it, if necessary.

well not exactly, best place would be about:config and search for datareporting More information https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-understand-your-b... -- Life is endless possibilities -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Doug [08-09-13 11:09]:

On 08/09/2013 04:44 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: [...] After all this discussion, I noticed that nobody mentioned how to tell if it's turned on, or what to do about it. So I looked, and found:

Go to Preferences>Data Choices.there you'll find a check-box next to the text "Enable telemetry" I have never looked at this before, but I found that the check-box was empty. Since I never got asked the question, AFAIK, it would seem that FF defaults to OFF. But you can always look, and fix it, if necessary.

it's: preferences -> advanced -> data choices -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org