Gordon Keehn wrote:

It's not Gmail; it's the list. In their infinite wisdom, the list honchos decided that a ReplyTo line would contain the sender's ID instead of the (normal?) List ID. I'm sure thay have excellent reasons which they will defend passionately. IMHO it's a royal PITA.

A pity indeed, but probably an attempt to cut the volume of the list. The idea is probably that you have to make an extra effort to send a mesage to the whole list, and hence make your message relevant to everyone reading it. Rgds Martin -- Subtitles etc *Martin Cleaver* *MC Translations* Bilderdijkstraat 5 NL-1052 NA Amsterdam martin@cleaver.nl mailto:martin@cleaver.nl www.cleaver.nl http://www.cleaver.nl tel: fax: mobile: +31 (20) 616 2224 +31 (84) 884 1230 +31 (654) 227 584

On Monday 28 February 2005 01:49 pm, James Knott wrote:

Given that the vast majority of replies (at least from me) are intended for the list, this means far more messages require an address change, than not.

Ah, but a competent MUA, such as Kmail offers a simple "L" key while reading the message. That will start a reply to the list rather than the sender. There are some things about mozilla mail that grind my grits, and that missing feature is one of them. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

In gmail all you need to do is select reply to all. /ip On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:55:29 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Gordon Keehn [02-28-05 15:33]:

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It's not Gmail; it's the list. In their infinite wisdom, the list honchos decided that a ReplyTo line would contain the sender's ID instead of the (normal?) List ID.

I'm sure that you can also show where there is a 'Reply-To:' header generated by the 'list', although I have not been able to in the last five years. Please advise where this 'Reply-To:' header is.

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I'm sure thay have excellent reasons which they will defend passionately. IMHO it's a royal PITA. Cheers,

You are intitled to your 'opinion', but .....

Perhaps you need to use a mail client that will reply to the 'list'. They do exist. You can find one by examining my header. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery

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On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:52 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:06, Ian Philpot wrote:

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In gmail all you need to do is select reply to all.

/ip

The problem with that is you end up sending two copies to the person you are replying to, unless you are not so lazy that you edit To: or Cc: line.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

* Only reply to the list please* Evolution users can right click the message when reading in preview and select reply to list. Yes I have replied to the sender myself by mistake before. Regards Roger

Stephen, On Monday 28 February 2005 17:06, Stephen Boddy wrote:

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... And unless you want your shiny new questions to be ignored, use the 'New Message to Mailing List' menu for posting new queries. Thread hijacking is really irritating.

Indeed, but as I'm fond of pointing out, KMail has the ability to: 1) Rewrite or delete headers in filter actions 2) Assign filters to the "Apply Filter" sub-menu of the Message menu 3) Add buttons associated with such manually-applied filters to the toolbar. I use such a filter to fix posts that hijack a thread.

-- Steve Boddy

Randall Schulz

Hi, Patrick, On Monday 28 February 2005 18:28, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Randall R Schulz [02-28-05 21:16]:

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Indeed, but as I'm fond of pointing out, KMail has the ability to:

1) Rewrite or delete headers in filter actions 2) Assign filters to the "Apply Filter" sub-menu of the Message menu 3) Add buttons associated with such manually-applied filters to the toolbar.

I use such a filter to fix posts that hijack a thread.

I am *able* to accomplish the same with mutt by editing the headers, BUT, it should *not* be necessary. I, more often than not, merely delete those posts where the author deems threading irrevelant.

That's up to you, of course, but keep in mind that there's a newbie born every minute and while it may be a perpetual trial to bring them along, ultimately I choose to consider it wortwhile to do so. On the other hand, I'm often insufferably superior and condescending in my attitude when doing so. Thankfully for us all, we all know you're not like that.

-- Patrick Shanahan

Randall Schulz

Crikey my simple apology seems to have stirred up a hornet's nest :-) Anyway, my contention is that whether it is normal for list servers or not (I have never come across this way of replying and I have been on a lot of lists in my time including Pegasus Mail and LUG lists) I wish to reply to the sender. Int the case of a list it is the 'list' itself not an individual. Therefore, I say that the default is wrong. As for cutting down on traffic? Huh? Why? It is a mailing list for heaven's sake it will by definition be heavy on traffic. One other thing I have just found out. I can only reply to the list from the penultimate message not the very last one. The 'Reply to all' tab is not there in Gmail in the last message. Now that is a pain. I'll pass it onto Gmail. Oh yes. Somebody mentioned trying another mail client? I'm using Gmail because it has plenty of storage to enable me to save technical answers for my own reference. I know that Gmail does allow POP mail to access it but that is not what I want. If I wanted to use a POP account I would use Kmail in Linux or Pegasus in Window$. Anyway, great list, great contributors, thank you. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:41:41 -0600, Mike wrote:

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:23:40 +0000, Kevanf1 wrote:

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Crikey my simple apology seems to have stirred up a hornet's nest :-)

:)

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One other thing I have just found out. I can only reply to the list from the penultimate message not the very last one. The 'Reply to all' tab is not there in Gmail in the last message. Now that is a pain. I'll pass it onto Gmail. Oh yes. Somebody mentioned trying another mail client? I'm using Gmail because it has plenty of storage to enable me to save technical answers for my own reference. I know that Gmail does allow POP mail to access it but that is not what I want. If I wanted to use a POP account I would use Kmail in Linux or Pegasus in Window$.

In gmail, if you don't see the reply-to all option at the bottom of the final message, you can always find it by clicking the 'more options' link above the message header...

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Anyway, great list, great contributors, thank you. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer

Mike

Ah, cheers Mike :-))) just found it. But why do they have to hide it in the first place??? -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

* Randall R Schulz [02-28-05 22:30]:

That's up to you, of course, but keep in mind that there's a newbie born every minute and while it may be a perpetual trial to bring them along, ultimately I choose to consider it wortwhile to do so. On the other hand, I'm often insufferably superior and condescending in my attitude when doing so. Thankfully for us all, we all know you're not like that.

It's good that you have acknowledged your realizations. It's good coming from a standard bearer. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery

    It's not Gmail;  it's the list.  In their infinite wisdom, the list honchos decided that a ReplyTo line would contain the sender's ID instead of the (normal?) List ID.  I'm sure thay have excellent reasons which they will defend passionately.  IMHO it's a royal PITA. This has been a much debated topic on lists for as long as I have been running listservs (15 years). This is the default on many listserv software

On Monday 28 February 2005 3:30 pm, Gordon Keehn wrote: products, such as mailman. Some people are very passionate about it as you mention. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9