On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:23:04 -0500 PL O'Smith wrote:

http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/jsmeix_print-cups-testversion-81.html

Hey Patrick, how are you. I'm finally going to get around to installing the latest cups thing you mentioned on the list. Basic question again though: Do I uninstall all the other rpms first... cups-libs, cups-client, and cups (I guess in reverse order of above) before I do the install of the above packages? or could I just install them and Linux does it's thing in updating automatically? I'm sure you answered this before, but I forgot:) I'll probably talk to some next year unless you get this tonight:) My inlaws are still here and my wifes hanging out with them in the other room so I'm free for a bit:) -- Rick

sorry fellow suse-ians, this was meant as a private message. Didn't mean to waste the bandwidth with the dribble about the inlaws:) On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:15:17 -0800 Rick Reumann wrote:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:23:04 -0500 PL O'Smith wrote:

...

http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/jsmeix_print-cups-testversion-81.html

Hey Patrick, how are you. I'm finally going to get around to installing the latest cups thing you mentioned on the list. Basic question again though: Do I uninstall all the other rpms first... cups-libs, cups-client, and cups (I guess in reverse order of above) before I do the install of the above packages? or could I just install them and Linux does it's thing in updating automatically? I'm sure you answered this before, but I forgot:)

I'll probably talk to some next year unless you get this tonight:) My inlaws are still here and my wifes hanging out with them in the other room so I'm free for a bit:)

-- Rick

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-- Rick

* Bruce Marshall (bmarsh@bmarsh.com) [021226 14:47]: ::On Thursday 26 December 2002 14:39 pm, Dom Incollingo wrote: ::> I am running 8.1 and using CUPS to print. Whenever I try to print ::> landscape from an application (Mozilla, KView, etc.), the output ::> prints in portrait. According to the SuSE support database, the ::> solution is to add the following command to the application: ::> ::> sed -e 's/Orientation: Landscape/Orientation: Portrait/' | lpr ::> ::> I added this command to Mozilla (Print Command within Print ::> Properties), and it works fine. But I do not know WHERE to enter this ::> command in the various K-applications (KView, KWrite, etc.). Does ::> anyone know where to enter this command to be able to print landscape ::> in K-applications such as KWrite? Thanks very much. :: ::Wow... if that's how technologically advanced CUPs is... I guess I will ::never be using CUPs. That's absurd! Remember that Mozilla isn't a KDE app and therefore it is only slightly controlled by the settings of KDE. Mozilla takes it's hints (as stupid as it may seem) from Gnome because it is a GTK based application. If you want to change the way a KDE application prints it's quite easy and CUPS supports all of this. CUPS even supports changing how GTK apps such as Mozilla print, but KDE isn't going to be very good at controlling it..hence the .js files that control Mozilla's behavior. I know this is still a bit of a failing/strength depending on how one looks at it. The above command can most likely be integrated into a user.js file in ~/.mozilla but I don't know where to put it. If you check out this screen-shot you will see that CUPS when controlled by KDE doesn't have any issues printing in Landscape or Portrait. http://whack.org/~ben/screenshot-print-settings.jpg It's not a failing of CUPS..but the failing of the various camps that produce GUI applications in the UNIX/Linux world. It's getting better but it can be a painful growth for some people. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

* Bruce Marshall (bmarsh@bmarsh.com) [021226 15:19]: ::On Thursday 26 December 2002 18:07 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote: :: ::<goodstuff snipped> :: ::> It's not a failing of CUPS..but the failing of the various camps that ::> produce GUI applications in the UNIX/Linux world. It's getting better ::> but it can be a painful growth for some people. :: ::But whatever happened to the idea that the 'printing situation' should be ::totally independent of the application... and .PS files were a good ::means of keeping things separate. Then let the print server (aka LPRng ::or whatever) handle the translations of .PS into whatever is needed for ::the particular printer. :: ::I really, really don't like the idea of having to diddle with all kinds ::of apps just so they play nice with CUPs... I thought CUPs was better ::than that.. CUPS is just fine and is a very good system. KDE interfaces with it to control KDE applications and Gnome interfaces with it to control Gnome/GTK based applications. As I said in the other email. This isn't a failing of CUPS, but a failing of those who work on GUI desktops and their applications under Linux/UNIX. If Gnome and KDE had better bridges between them then this wouldn't occur. So again it's not a failing of CUPS but of the GUI interfaces. It's how these top level applications interface with the printing system that makes the difference. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.