[S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Why SuSE 5.3? I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2 SuSE. Only reason I see that SuSE 5.3 will be released is their dedication to release a new SuSE every 4 months or so. Which by it-self has me wondering, do I really need 5.3? (yes I am on the subscribe to SuSE updates). I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to use one new feature such as glibc2. I know maybe the delay is for maybe to be able to put in 2.2.0 Kernel with the SuSE 6.0 as they just released 2.1.105 with HAM radio drivers (which is to me looking like they about finished with the 2.1.XX development)=(they throwing all the bells and whistles in). I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to support the now linux standard of glibc2. Everything is going that way, why wait. Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it. Seeing the RH users having fun/trubbles with it, and seeing Debian get tons of support + having their beta 2.0 called HAMM is getting me jealous. Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly - patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own version of the Kernel thus making it un-pactchable by some of the standard patches for the Linux Kernels, this is fustrating. I could use a standard-out-of-the -box Kernel source-tree, I have before, so I am wondering as stated above what makes the -suse kernels so different/ should I wait? I did notice that most distros have to append LILO if they have over 32Megs of RAM but I have never had that problem. I really enjoy SuSE, it is keeping pretty much standard to the Linux community. Unlike lets say Red Hat, which strays by putting in thier "easy-to-use-config" programs which are not standard, and making people who help RH users "Have" to be Red Hat users themselfs. But RH over all is a good distro as all of them are. This is not over the .rpm management program. Steve Udell hettar@teleport.com sudell@teleport.com So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it? -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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I'm a subscriber as well. I really feel another libc5 release is gratuitous. But SuSE has to turn a profit or we're all stuck using some other dist. I don't like having to buy another libc5 dist, but what's $35 in the big picture? I would much rather beta test 6.0, but I don't know if it's going to be an open or closed beta. I am beginning to run into source code that is a bitch to compile, because it was meant for boxes running glibc. But I ran a glibc dist that wasn't ready, and I'm not putting up with that tragicomedy ever again. So I'm sure SuSE will release 6.0 "when it's done". Steven Udell wrote:
Why SuSE 5.3?
I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2 SuSE.
Only reason I see that SuSE 5.3 will be released is their dedication to release a new SuSE every 4 months or so. Which by it-self has me wondering, do I really need 5.3? (yes I am on the subscribe to SuSE updates).
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I'm a subscriber as well. I really feel another libc5 release is gratuitous. But SuSE has to turn a profit or we're all stuck using some
I wondered "Why bother with this, why just not buy it?" But then I realized that as a subscriber, you'd get all new releases. Perhaps S.u.S.E. could make an exceptions this time, as the releases are so close together. For my part I'd like a new release, because I'm selling S.u.S.E. in Denmark. It's better to have new releases ever so often, there's a lot happening in Linux County. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I've just compiled the 2.0.34 kernel and am using it under SuSE 5.1. Other than the new FAT32 support in the VFAT filesystem module, I've not noticed a very great difference in functionality. What prevents installing glibc2? How would one "static" link both lib5 and lib6 C libraries? I'd rather like to play around with one of the new experimental kernels. I've downloaded 2.1.103. Unfortunately, they seem to have a lot of requirements. PPP-2.2.3 (Redhat 5.1 comes with this, now) etc. SuSE's distro is probably the easiest to configure that I've found so far, and my impression of RH's implementation of XFree sucks tremendously. But it would be nice to have the latest stable tools. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:
What prevents installing glibc2? How would one "static" link both lib5 and lib6 C libraries?
There is a how-to for this that describes how to set-up glibc as a teas lib, main lib, and a link to a website where you can setup glibc to work as a secondary library, not test or main lib. Jerome K. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On 09-Jun-98 Steven Udell wrote:
Why SuSE 5.3?
I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2 SuSE.
Packages, man! I see SuSE as the leader in packages, your average user will probably use 100f the packages, but it differs for each person. For example, I'll be anxious to see the latest KDE, I may get involved with JDK 1.2 (when available), gotta have XFMail 1.3, hope someday they see the unquestionable superiority of FetchPOP over anything else (insert smiley here), a Wine package that fixes what got broken from 5.1 to 5.2, up-to-date sources and docs... ad infinitum, ad nauseum. There's enough reason to stay subscribed and I will boldly say even to have an interim release before glibc2. As long as it keeps packages a) up to date and b) adds new packages. Now we need some sort of hard-drive subscription program...
I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to use one new feature such as glibc2.
I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to support the now linux standard of glibc2. Everything is going that way, why wait.
For us hackish types, I strongly agree. I can't let well enough alone on my machine. If something works, time to break it! ..however... If you wanted to set up an enterprise level server, grab a solid release and STAY with it. I feel I could confidently recommend SuSE 5.x in a corporate environment but if they rush a new technology into it, I wouldn't. There is a glibc-HOWTO though, so you can add it yourself. I skimmed it, but haven't the guts to try (yet).
Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it.
Partly, yes! (This is my main use of it) Once tested, though, put it to work, and boy, will it work.
Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly - patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own version
Good question. I presumed mostly security?
So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it?
Yeah, and is FetchPOP on it yet? --- jonathan@aracnet.net <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich"><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich</A">http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich</A</A>> There are no games on this system. (Lie!) -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
-----Original Message----- From: owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com [<A HREF="mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On">mailto:owner-suse-linux-e@suse.com]On</A> Behalf Of jonathan@aracnet.net Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 9:58 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
On 09-Jun-98 Steven Udell wrote:
Why SuSE 5.3?
I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2 SuSE.
Packages, man! I see SuSE as the leader in packages, your average user will probably use 100f the packages, but it differs for each person. For example, I'll be anxious to see the latest KDE, I may get involved with JDK 1.2 (when available), gotta have XFMail 1.3, hope someday they see the unquestionable superiority of FetchPOP over anything else (insert smiley here), a Wine package that fixes what got broken from 5.1 to 5.2, up-to-date sources and docs... ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
There's enough reason to stay subscribed and I will boldly say even to have an interim release before glibc2. As long as it keeps packages a) up to date and b) adds new packages.
Now we need some sort of hard-drive subscription program...
I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to use one new feature such as glibc2.
I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to support the now linux standard of glibc2. Everything is going that way, why wait.
For us hackish types, I strongly agree. I can't let well enough alone on my machine. If something works, time to break it!
..however...
If you wanted to set up an enterprise level server, grab a solid release and STAY with it. I feel I could confidently recommend SuSE 5.x in a corporate environment but if they rush a new technology into it, I wouldn't.
There is a glibc-HOWTO though, so you can add it yourself. I skimmed it, but haven't the guts to try (yet).
Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it.
Partly, yes! (This is my main use of it) Once tested, though, put it to work, and boy, will it work.
Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly - patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own version
Good question. I presumed mostly security?
So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it?
Yeah, and is FetchPOP on it yet?
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There are no games on this system. (Lie!)
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Psst! How big (in filesize) is the kernel +source? I'm stuck with an anemic 33.6 modem. Is it a .rpm package, or? Ken Schuller Network Systems Specialist (and proud SuSE 5.2 user) NovaNET Learning, Inc. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Kenneth W. Schuller wrote: <sniped big time>
Psst! How big (in filesize) is the kernel +source? I'm stuck with an anemic 33.6 modem.
Is it a .rpm package, or?
You don't have to quote an *ENTIRE* thread Ken. Just the relevant parts would do. You need to download the source for 2.0.34. Here's the url: <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/linux-2.0.34.tar.gz"><A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/linux-2.0.34.tar.gz</A">http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/linux-2.0.34.tar.gz</A</A>> It's 6.5MB. Dana -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 jonathan@aracnet.net wrote:
I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
For us hackish types, I strongly agree. I can't let well enough alone on my machine. If something works, time to break it!
If you want to be out on the frontier and don't mind if something breaks because you know how to fix it, you might be happier with Red Hat. Red Hat has been on glibc since December. Of course, in the first 60 days, it rebuilt the glibc package at least eight times and dozens of other packages that were broke. Also, many, many packages where you might want to be out on the latest release, did not even support glibc at first, so you were stuck with an old release until the maintainers of each package got busy on it. There were really no tangible benefits of using glibc--it is mainly preparing for the future when it will be mandatory. But it is very exciting and educational to use Red Hat and to make daily changes to your system to fix things that are broke. Red Hat must certainly be applauded for leading the industry into glibc. There can be no doubt that they have put a fire to the feet of package maintainers because Red Hat is too important a distribution to ignore. If stability is important to you, however, you will not want to go with every Red Hat release. I have both Red Hat and SuSE on my main system. By sharing /home, /opt, and /usr/src between them, I can do my daily work in either one of them with equal ease. I may do this same kind of thing with other distributions in the future if my work requires it. SuSE, being a considerably larger distribution and also refining each package to a much greater extent, has much more to get working under glibc, so it is understandable that it is taking longer to deploy it. Dwight -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On 10-Jun-98 Dwight Johnson wrote:
I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
For us hackish types, I strongly agree. I can't let well enough alone on my machine. If something works, time to break it!
If you want to be out on the frontier and don't mind if something breaks because you know how to fix it, you might be happier with Red Hat. Red Hat has been on glibc since December. Of course,
Well, I'm only doing this late-night/spare time, so SOME stability & reliability is required. I want to break it, but I still want to be able to print something or read my mail.
SuSE, being a considerably larger distribution and also refining each package to a much greater extent, has much more to get working under glibc, so it is understandable that it is taking longer to deploy it.
As with KDE, I see it in this machine's future, but I can wait a few months. --- jonathan@aracnet.net <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich"><A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich</A">http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich</A</A>> "Cogito ergo I'm right and you're wrong." -- Blair Houghton -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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