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chuck holland

26 Apr 2005 26 Apr '05

01:13

Windows annouced today that they will be releasing a windows pro 64 bit & server for the same price as there 32 bit version. So that means if you got a 32 bit computer and a 64 bit computer you can buy the upgrades for both if you still have windows 98 for only $398.00 plus tax. Then Bill makes this annoucement like it is such a great deal. If he ever gets tired of ripping people off he can become a comedian. This might be the wrong place for this but I had to tell someone. chuck

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JD. Brown

26 Apr 26 Apr

04:24

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Windows annouced today that they will be releasing a windows pro 64 bit & server for the same price as there 32 bit version. So that means if you got a 32 bit computer and a 64 bit computer you can buy the upgrades for both if you still have windows 98 for only $398.00 plus tax.

Actually what that really means is to "Bend over & Insert here!" :)

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Bill makes this annoucement like it is such a great deal. If he ever gets tired of ripping people off he can become a comedian.

He's been a comedian since the DOS days. The way he approached IBM and ran is one of those things that you just sit there and think to yourself about the odds of winning the lottery; Which is what he did. Not to mention his B.S. salesman tactics and promises.

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This might be the wrong place for this but I had to tell someone.

No, There really is no wrong place to talk about anything. In fact, while we are on this subject. I've been doing a whole lot of news reading lately in all of the I.T. world. I recently came across some blogs, in regards to Steve Jobs making the claim that Longhorn is copying Apple. I decided to pull up some screen shots of this "Great LongBEhorn" and "Tiger". To my surprise, They've been making some claim to fame with there innovative eye candy, file system capabilities, along with some 3D engine work. My mouth dropped! Most of the stuff that Apple and M.S. have been claiming to do with there upcoming future releases; We've been able to do in Linux for some time now. The lovely beauty to Open Source; Is the fact that we can see when our work has been done and being done. It's makes a great time line venue. I'm still looking into other things that are so "Innovative" in these upcoming O.S. releases. I'm just amazed on what they are saying. So I'm really wondering, Who's copying who???? JD

James Knott

11:08

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JD. Brown wrote:

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Windows annouced today that they will be releasing a windows pro 64 bit & server for the same price as there 32 bit version. So that means if you got a 32 bit computer and a 64 bit computer you can buy the upgrades for both if you still have windows 98 for only $398.00 plus tax.

Actually what that really means is to "Bend over & Insert here!" :)

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Bill makes this annoucement like it is such a great deal. If he ever gets tired of ripping people off he can become a comedian.

He's been a comedian since the DOS days. The way he approached IBM and ran is one of those things that you just sit there and think to yourself about the odds of winning the lottery; Which is what he did. Not to mention his B.S. salesman tactics and promises.

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This might be the wrong place for this but I had to tell someone.

No, There really is no wrong place to talk about anything. In fact, while we are on this subject. I've been doing a whole lot of news reading lately in all of the I.T. world. I recently came across some blogs, in regards to Steve Jobs making the claim that Longhorn is copying Apple. I decided to pull up some screen shots of this "Great LongBEhorn" and "Tiger". To my surprise, They've been making some claim to fame with there innovative eye candy, file system capabilities, along with some 3D engine work. My mouth dropped! Most of the stuff that Apple and M.S. have been claiming to do with there upcoming future releases; We've been able to do in Linux for some time now.

The lovely beauty to Open Source; Is the fact that we can see when our work has been done and being done. It's makes a great time line venue. I'm still looking into other things that are so "Innovative" in these upcoming O.S. releases. I'm just amazed on what they are saying. So I'm really wondering, Who's copying who????

If you want to see some interesting stuff in a desktop, take a look OS/2. The desktop has had some features, since 1992, that have yet to appear elsewhere. Very powerful in many ways.

Jerry Feldman

11:55

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On Monday 25 April 2005 9:13 pm, chuck holland wrote:

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Windows annouced today that they will be releasing a windows pro 64 bit & server for the same price as there 32 bit version. So that means if you got a 32 bit computer and a 64 bit computer you can buy the upgrades for both if you still have windows 98 for only $398.00 plus tax. Then Bill makes this annoucement like it is such a great deal. If he ever gets tired of ripping people off he can become a comedian. This might be the wrong place for this but I had to tell someone. I can tell you that they have been working on a 64-bit Windows since 1994. Digital was working with Microsoft to get them to upgrade Windows NT to a full 64-bits. At that time, Windows NT on the Alpha was 32-bits.

-- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

JD. Brown

19:14

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I can tell you that they have been working on a 64-bit Windows since 1994. Digital was working with Microsoft to get them to upgrade Windows NT to a full 64-bits. At that time, Windows NT on the Alpha was 32-bits.

More or less buying 64 bit companies and engineers since 1994.

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If you want to see some interesting stuff in a desktop, take a look OS/2. The desktop has had some features, since 1992, that have yet to appear elsewhere. Very powerful in many ways.

Yes, Good ole' OS/2. I still have the disk sets from years ago and a computer to boot with it. I do like OS/2 and how it did things. Memories.............. JD

L. Mark Stone

19:37

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2005 03:14 pm, JD. Brown wrote:

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If you want to see some interesting stuff in a desktop, take a look OS/2. The desktop has had some features, since 1992, that have yet to appear elsewhere. Very powerful in many ways.

Yes, Good ole' OS/2. I still have the disk sets from years ago and a computer to boot with it. I do like OS/2 and how it did things. Memories..............

Shadows. The best part of the WorkPlaceShell desktop that I have yet to see anywhere else. Kind of like "live" symlinks or Windows shortcuts. Make a shadow of an object (like a file). Now change the name of the file, or move the file to another directory. The shadow still works. All because the WPS was essentially part of the filesystem. I would put shadows of current proposals and other client docs on my OS/2 Desktop. We had directory trees that classified clients by their status. When a client's status changed, the folder holding all of their docs would be moved to a different branch. And the shadow still worked. Simply brilliant, and I still miss this feature. -- _________________________________________________________ A Message From... L. Mark Stone Reliable Networks of Maine, LLC "We manage your network so you can manage your business." 477 Congress Street Portland, ME 04101 Tel: (207) 772-5678 Web: http://www.rnome.com

Anders Johansson

19:55

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On Tuesday 26 April 2005 21:37, L. Mark Stone wrote:

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The best part of the WorkPlaceShell desktop that I have yet to see anywhere else. Kind of like "live" symlinks or Windows shortcuts. Make a shadow of an object (like a file). Now change the name of the file, or move the file to another directory. The shadow still works.

What's the difference between that and a hard link? Did shadows work across two different filesystems?

James Knott

27 Apr 27 Apr

00:00

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Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Tuesday 26 April 2005 21:37, L. Mark Stone wrote:

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The best part of the WorkPlaceShell desktop that I have yet to see anywhere else. Kind of like "live" symlinks or Windows shortcuts. Make a shadow of an object (like a file). Now change the name of the file, or move the file to another directory. The shadow still works.

What's the difference between that and a hard link? Did shadows work across two different filesystems?

Yes. They can best be described as another instance of the original object, sort of like a hard link, but much more flexible. It is, in fact, part of the original object, in that it's stored in the extended attributes for that object. I've mentioned extended attributes a couple of times. With those, you could store up to 64 KB of metadata, about an object. For example, you could store tokenized REXX code, in the EA of the cmd file. In a program I used to use for Compuserve, whenever I downloaded a ZIP file, the program would extract the file.idz (or whatever it was called), which described the ZIP file contents and place it in the description box of the objects properties etc. Almost any of those properties could be used for searching. And there's much more than I can tell you about here.

Felix Miata

26 Apr 26 Apr

20:17

New subject: [SLE] OS/2 WPS (was Windows announement)

L. Mark Stone wrote:

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The best part of the WorkPlaceShell desktop that I have yet to see anywhere else. Kind of like "live" symlinks or Windows shortcuts. Make a shadow of an object (like a file). Now change the name of the file, or move the file to another directory. The shadow still works. All because the WPS was essentially part of the filesystem.

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I would put shadows of current proposals and other client docs on my OS/2 Desktop. We had directory trees that classified clients by their status. When a client's status changed, the folder holding all of their docs would be moved to a different branch. And the shadow still worked. Simply brilliant, and I still miss this feature.

I don't. Read these email headers, and my browser UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050426 :-) When something works, you really shouldn't mess with it. ;-) See also: http://www.os2world.com/petition/ and http://www.os2voice.org/ -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/

JD. Brown

21:34

New subject: [SLE] OS/2 WPS (was Windows announement)

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I don't. Read these email headers, and my browser UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050426 :-) When something works, you really shouldn't mess with it. ;-) See also: http://www.os2world.com/petition/ and http://www.os2voice.org/

Wow, Is the world of OS/2 still alive, It sure looks like it is? I came across this article about it as well: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22793 JD

James Knott

27 Apr 27 Apr

00:05

New subject: [SLE] OS/2 WPS (was Windows announement)

JD. Brown wrote:

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I don't. Read these email headers, and my browser UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050426 :-) When something works, you really shouldn't mess with it. ;-) See also: http://www.os2world.com/petition/ and http://www.os2voice.org/

Wow, Is the world of OS/2 still alive, It sure looks like it is? I came across this article about it as well:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22793

I still run it, on one of my computers.

James Knott

00:02

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Felix Miata wrote:

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L. Mark Stone wrote:

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The best part of the WorkPlaceShell desktop that I have yet to see anywhere else. Kind of like "live" symlinks or Windows shortcuts. Make a shadow of an object (like a file). Now change the name of the file, or move the file to another directory. The shadow still works. All because the WPS was essentially part of the filesystem.

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I would put shadows of current proposals and other client docs on my OS/2 Desktop. We had directory trees that classified clients by their status. When a client's status changed, the folder holding all of their docs would be moved to a different branch. And the shadow still worked. Simply brilliant, and I still miss this feature.

I don't. Read these email headers, and my browser UA string: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050426 :-) When something works, you really shouldn't mess with it. ;-) See also: http://www.os2world.com/petition/ and http://www.os2voice.org/

Is anyone porting OpenOffice to OS/2?

Felix Miata

00:51

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James Knott wrote:

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Is anyone porting OpenOffice to OS/2?

http://www.ecomstation.com/product_info.phtml -- "Love your neighbor as yourself." Matthew 22:39 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/

James Knott

26 Apr 26 Apr

23:54

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L. Mark Stone wrote:

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2005 03:14 pm, JD. Brown wrote:

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If you want to see some interesting stuff in a desktop, take a look OS/2. The desktop has had some features, since 1992, that have yet to appear elsewhere. Very powerful in many ways.

Yes, Good ole' OS/2. I still have the disk sets from years ago and a computer to boot with it. I do like OS/2 and how it did things. Memories..............

Shadows.

The best part of the WorkPlaceShell desktop that I have yet to see anywhere else. Kind of like "live" symlinks or Windows shortcuts. Make a shadow of an object (like a file). Now change the name of the file, or move the file to another directory. The shadow still works. All because the WPS was essentially part of the filesystem.

I would put shadows of current proposals and other client docs on my OS/2 Desktop. We had directory trees that classified clients by their status. When a client's status changed, the folder holding all of their docs would be moved to a different branch. And the shadow still worked. Simply brilliant, and I still miss this feature.

And everything on the desktop, automagically appeared on the "Warp" button The extended attributes, that could contain tokenized REXX code The extremely powerful search, that could find stuff, using an very wide array of search terms And lots, lots more.

Glenn Holmer

27 Apr 27 Apr

11:08

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On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 19:54 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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And everything on the desktop, automagically appeared on the "Warp" button

The extended attributes, that could contain tokenized REXX code

The extremely powerful search, that could find stuff, using an very wide array of search terms

And work folders! Put your MOD player, equalizer, links to music folders, etc. in the work folder, open what you want and listen, then close the folder. When you re-open it, hey presto! everything that was open will open again, with the same files open in the apps. Wonderful stuff, KDE pales by comparison. -- ====================================================== Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) ====================================================== "Greater coherence cannot be achieved. Not even the Netherlanders have managed this." -Anton Webern ======================================================

scsijon

2 May 2 May

11:55

New subject: Shouldbe: OS/2 Alive and well Was: [SLE] Windows announement

Wasn't going to attach but this thread is fun but needs to be back on topic, so i've changed the subject. Should we also move this to the "suse-ot@suse.com" thread? I know of an organization (of decent size) where about a third of the workstations are 686's running Warp4 with all the necessary patches. The back end is an old IBM Mainframe. Been up and running nearly 10 years now, best back of house robot system ever we set up. Occasional workstation glitch, but not from the Rexx program's running, just usually a hard drive finally dying (220meg drive are starting to become hard to get). scsijon ps all my workstations have os/2 on them which is why I still run LILO. At 09:08 PM 27/04/2005, Glenn Holmer wrote:

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On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 19:54 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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And everything on the desktop, automagically appeared on the "Warp" button

The extended attributes, that could contain tokenized REXX code

The extremely powerful search, that could find stuff, using an very wide array of search terms

And work folders! Put your MOD player, equalizer, links to music folders, etc. in the work folder, open what you want and listen, then close the folder. When you re-open it, hey presto! everything that was open will open again, with the same files open in the apps.

Wonderful stuff, KDE pales by comparison.

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Kevanf1

3 May 3 May

09:46

New subject: [SLE] Shouldbe: OS/2 Alive and well Was: [SLE] Windows announement

On 5/2/05, scsijon wrote:

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Wasn't going to attach but this thread is fun but needs to be back on topic, so i've changed the subject. Should we also move this to the "suse-ot@suse.com" thread?

I know of an organization (of decent size) where about a third of the workstations are 686's running Warp4 with all the necessary patches. The back end is an old IBM Mainframe. Been up and running nearly 10 years now, best back of house robot system ever we set up. Occasional workstation glitch, but not from the Rexx program's running, just usually a hard drive finally dying (220meg drive are starting to become hard to get).

scsijon ps all my workstations have os/2 on them which is why I still run LILO.

At 09:08 PM 27/04/2005, Glenn Holmer wrote:

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On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 19:54 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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And everything on the desktop, automagically appeared on the "Warp" button

The extended attributes, that could contain tokenized REXX code

The extremely powerful search, that could find stuff, using an very wide array of search terms

And work folders! Put your MOD player, equalizer, links to music folders, etc. in the work folder, open what you want and listen, then close the folder. When you re-open it, hey presto! everything that was open will open again, with the same files open in the apps.

Wonderful stuff, KDE pales by comparison.

-- ====================================================== Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) ====================================================== "Greater coherence cannot be achieved. Not even the Netherlanders have managed this." -Anton Webern ======================================================

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Wasn't there talk of OS/2 being released under the GPL? I'm afraid I can only remember the tv adverts for OS/2 WARP and it went over my head then. I thought "what the hell is all that about?" then went back to watching Doctor Who.....but then, nothing much changes :-)))) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

jfweber＠bellsouth.net

11:57

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On May Tuesday 2005 5:46 am, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 5/2/05, scsijon wrote: <snip>

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And work folders! Put your MOD player, equalizer, links to music folders, etc. in the work folder, open what you want and listen, then close the folder. When you re-open it, hey presto! everything that was open will open again, with the same files open in the apps.

Wonderful stuff, KDE pales by comparison.

<snip>

Wasn't there talk of OS/2 being released under the GPL? I'm afraid I can only remember the tv adverts for OS/2 WARP and it went over my head then. I thought "what the hell is all that about?" then went back to watching Doctor Who.....but then, nothing much changes :-))))

It can NOT happen, B.G. still has rights to chunks of the code... which BTW bits of were STILL in w2k .. I never got close enough to peak and see if it was still in Xp... He is unlikely to let IBM release it w/o making a major fuss.

Sid Boyce

14:28

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Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 5/2/05, scsijon wrote:

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Wasn't going to attach but this thread is fun but needs to be back on topic, so i've changed the subject. Should we also move this to the "suse-ot@suse.com" thread?

I know of an organization (of decent size) where about a third of the workstations are 686's running Warp4 with all the necessary patches. The back end is an old IBM Mainframe. Been up and running nearly 10 years now, best back of house robot system ever we set up. Occasional workstation glitch, but not from the Rexx program's running, just usually a hard drive finally dying (220meg drive are starting to become hard to get).

scsijon

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Wasn't there talk of OS/2 being released under the GPL? I'm afraid I can only remember the tv adverts for OS/2 WARP and it went over my head then. I thought "what the hell is all that about?" then went back to watching Doctor Who.....but then, nothing much changes :-))))

I have only seen an article reported on a number of sites urging IBM to release it GPL, but no statement or response from Blue. It would probably involve them in too much work sifting out third party IP and their development guys have moved on. I've never had a proper tour of OS/2 on a workstation to see what it could do, but I've met it in hardware management consoles (HMC's) and Support Elements (SE's) on mainframes where initially customers seeing OS/2 had all kinds of plans for reconfiguring its networking, but it was suitably crippled so they couldn't save their changes. I set up all kinds of tricky network configs, like at BT getting all HMC's to talk to all mainframes at sites across the UK, but I still felt an OS/2 novice. We had a longstanding bug on a customer site in Switzerland and they paid for my 4 day trip to fix/gather information, as a result, we nailed it, passed the info back to the States where they then realised it was the problem many sites stateside were having, but they couldn't get a handle on what was happening. I liked the ease with which we could setup all kinds of complex networking on the one box and get it working reliably, e.g 4 HMC's in Hampshire controlling mainframes in California. The only pet peeve was the trouble I had to go to in finding a free .ini editor where you didn't have to register with machines which were isolated from the internet, but I eventually found one. OS/2 was fun, but Linux trumped it for me and IBM it seems. Pity I never got to see the Linux based HMC's now shipping. My question of longstanding --- What in OS/2 would you like to see in linux apart from the Workplace and isn't gnome/kde providing much the same in a different way, perhaps Workplace is better organised? Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux for all Computing Tasks

Theo v. Werkhoven

26 Apr 26 Apr

20:17

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Tue, 26 Apr 2005, by brownstixzz@gmail.com:

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I can tell you that they have been working on a 64-bit Windows since 1994. Digital was working with Microsoft to get them to upgrade Windows NT to a full 64-bits. At that time, Windows NT on the Alpha was 32-bits.

More or less buying 64 bit companies and engineers since 1994.

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If you want to see some interesting stuff in a desktop, take a look OS/2. The desktop has had some features, since 1992, that have yet to appear elsewhere. Very powerful in many ways.

Yes, Good ole' OS/2. I still have the disk sets from years ago and a computer to boot with it. I do like OS/2 and how it did things. Memories..............

There's a petition to make OS/2 open source going on. http://www.os2world.com/petition/ Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.

Michael W Cocke

27 Apr 27 Apr

04:02

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:17:26 +0200, you wrote:

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Tue, 26 Apr 2005, by brownstixzz@gmail.com:

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I can tell you that they have been working on a 64-bit Windows since 1994. Digital was working with Microsoft to get them to upgrade Windows NT to a full 64-bits. At that time, Windows NT on the Alpha was 32-bits.

More or less buying 64 bit companies and engineers since 1994.

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If you want to see some interesting stuff in a desktop, take a look OS/2. The desktop has had some features, since 1992, that have yet to appear elsewhere. Very powerful in many ways.

Yes, Good ole' OS/2. I still have the disk sets from years ago and a computer to boot with it. I do like OS/2 and how it did things. Memories..............

There's a petition to make OS/2 open source going on. http://www.os2world.com/petition/

Can't happen, unfortuntely. Parts of OS/2 were developed by Mickysoft. Even though their original code has probably been improved beyond recognition, IBM could probably still get sued under our screwed-up IP protection laws. I miss the WPS too. I still have a machine running OS/2 here, and likely will for at least another year. It ain't broke, so I haven't had to port my office cooling system to linux yet. Been about 3 years now, haven't even rebooted yet. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.

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