Hey I told them a year ago to do a 'make menuconfig' way of yast install. They halfway have followed my advice but halfway is only half as good as it could have been. -X (yes/no) |----KDE (yes/no) |----konq |----blah |----GNOME (yes/no) |----Messengers |----gaim |----blah |----Other |----gnumeric |----blah |----Other |----Browsers |----Netscape |----what else is there? |----Text Editors |----xvim (does this even exist? =) |----Sound |----xmms |----blah -Sound (yes/no) |----Alsa (yes/no) |----OSS (yes/no) |----Tools |----xmms |----blah -CD-R/RW (yes/no) |----cdrecord |----blah -Messengers |----gaim |----licq |----blah -DEV |----flex |----glibc |----blah A hierarchical way is the only way to satisfy a skilled Linux user. Of course even this implementation must still satisfy the use of package dependencies. I hope everybody noticed the xmms and gaim was twice in the hierarchy tree. That is how it should be. "A package is part of one or more groups. A group is part of zero or more groups." Hmm can't we have something like an XML/LDAP implementation of the SuSE package list? I have to say though the package selection menu we have now is heaps better than the mess we had before. But then again why ask for all these neat features if its gonna be closed-source yast anyhow? mk
From: Isen Kusima <cycnus@cbn.net.id> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] SuSE installer discussion. Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:00:47 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [202.58.118.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDFCC05100544136E852CA3A760705780; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:02:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 30095 invoked by alias); 2 Jan 2002 21:00:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 30073 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:00:59 -0000 From suse-linux-e-return-85884-purpleshirt Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:03:27 -0800 Mailing-List: contact suse-linux-e-help@suse.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: <mailto:suse-linux-e-help@suse.com> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com> list-post: <mailto:suse-linux-e@suse.com> X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message X-Mailinglist: suse-linux-e Delivered-To: mailing list suse-linux-e@suse.com Message-Id: <200201022103.g02L3qR32703@gateway.kusima.family> X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2]
Hi all,
I want to discuss & give suggestion for SuSE installer.
(taken from the manual) When installing SuSE, user were provided with this option: * Minimum system * Minumum graphical system * Default system * Default system with office * all
Then this: * Development * Games * Gnome system * All of KDE * Multimedia * Network/Server * Lot of Documentation *** Install available source
1. I found this a bit anoying. Because if I choose all, it required 6.5GB, but if I select default system with office, then I select all of it (dev, games, gnome, kde, multimedia, netwok, doc) it doesn't add up to 6.5GB. I fell like I'm not installing all the program. 2. When I'm selecting multimedia, I didn't know if I also install some Gnome multimedia program.... I want more control over this.
Anybody beside me fell anoyed by this fact???
My suggestion to SuSE were to put a more complex system in the installer... Something like this:
Text X KDE1 KDE2 KDE3 Gnome Development x x x Games x x x x x Multimedia x x x Network/Server x x x
So, I will know when I select multimedia I don't install some gnome multimedia stuff.
Anybody thinks this is a bad idea?? Flame???
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On Thursday 03 January 2002 03:48 pm, Purple Shirt wrote:
Hey I told them a year ago to do a
'make menuconfig'
way of yast install. They halfway have followed my advice but halfway is only half as good as it could have been.
glad to know I'm not the only one complaining. ;)) (more bellow... scroll)
-X (yes/no)
|----KDE (yes/no) | |----konq |----blah | |----GNOME (yes/no) | |----Messengers | |----gaim |----blah | |----Other | |----gnumeric |----blah | |----Other | |----Browsers | |----Netscape |----what else is there? | |----Text Editors | |----xvim (does this even exist? =) | |----Sound | |----xmms |----blah
-Sound (yes/no)
|----Alsa (yes/no) |----OSS (yes/no) |----Tools | |----xmms |----blah
-CD-R/RW (yes/no)
|----cdrecord |----blah
-Messengers
|----gaim |----licq |----blah
-DEV
|----flex |----glibc |----blah
A hierarchical way is the only way to satisfy a skilled Linux user. Of course even this implementation must still satisfy the use of package dependencies.
I think the tree view your suggesting is like MS installer.... - MS word |-- opt 1 |-- opt 2 |-- opt 2.1 |-- opt 2.2 - Excel |-- opt 1 |-- opt 2 |-- opt 2.1 |-- opt 2.2 And it's a bit hard to use for joe user, because if the list toooooo long, then joe user need to scrool a lot. I also notice in MS world they have 3 state check mark, a check mark with white background indicating full checked, a check mark with grey background indicating half checked, and a blank box. Joe user didn't know the different of the white and grey check mark. So, if SuSE use tree view, and have the ability to collapse the tree, then some joe user will think they already install the whole package which is not. The table view I'm suggesting is more 'visible' than tree view. And not as complex as tree view. Of course, I *LOVE* the tree view your suggesting, I read all the package information, and hand pick all that interest me. But it's time consuming & won't be good for joe user. But your suggestion is *A LOT BETTER* than what SuSE using now. For example... "Amusement/Games" Does this game have GUI??? I don't want to play text based game. SuSE need to reorganize the installer.
I hope everybody noticed the xmms and gaim was twice in the hierarchy tree. That is how it should be.
But if I don't install Gnome, why would I want gnome apps? Can it be run on KDE????
"A package is part of one or more groups. A group is part of zero or more groups."
that is the way it's done now.... right??? If you hand pick the package, you will notice this.
Hmm can't we have something like an XML/LDAP implementation of the SuSE package list?
I have to say though the package selection menu we have now is heaps better than the mess we had before. But then again why ask for all these neat features if its gonna be closed-source yast anyhow?
mk
What about this?? when selecting package start, use this... Text X KDE1 KDE2 KDE3 Gnome Development x x x Games * Board x x x * Adventure x x * Fun x x Multimedia x x x Network/Server x x x Internet x x x x [ Detail ] then.. if we click detail, go to the tree view. So it will statisfied both user. ------------------------- SuSE Professional 7.3 KDE 2.2.2
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