Just thought y'all would like to know. Google has opened a link to a version of Picassa for Linux. Since I've been using it on my Win2K system, I thought I'd give it a whirl. It works nice! I've never been really fond of Digikam or FSpot so this will work great for me. http://picasa.google.com/linux/ Here's a screenshot of my laptop running Picassa on 10.0 today... http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2006/picassa_linux_lg.jpg I just used the RPM that google provided and it installed without a hitch. Enjoy! -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.livebeans.com linux - genuine windows replacement part
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 09:27 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
Just thought y'all would like to know. Google has opened a link to a version of Picassa for Linux. Since I've been using it on my Win2K system, I thought I'd give it a whirl. It works nice! I've never been really fond of Digikam or FSpot so this will work great for me.
I think it is the Windows version running via Wine. A box in the right of the page spills the beans. Perhaps if there are enough downloads they will consider a native port ;) -- Roger Oberholtzer
On Saturday 27 May 2006 02:34 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 09:27 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
Just thought y'all would like to know. Google has opened a link to a version of Picassa for Linux. Since I've been using it on my Win2K system, I thought I'd give it a whirl. It works nice! I've never been really fond of Digikam or FSpot so this will work great for me.
I think it is the Windows version running via Wine. A box in the right of the page spills the beans.
Perhaps if there are enough downloads they will consider a native port ;)
That was my original goal. However, I think they will leave it as is. Apparently it is using an 'embedded' version of Crossover Office which gives them the WINE libs they need. Since they bought Picassa as an already created Win32 PE application, they don't want to rewrite it. However, on the Google list, I saw a few of the employees mention that they are working on a true Linux port of Google Earth, since it is apparently already written in Qt - the very cool library which also runs the very kool KDE. Stand by...same bat time....same bat channel... -- k
Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 18:06 schrieb kai:
On Saturday 27 May 2006 02:34 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 09:27 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
Just thought y'all would like to know. Google has opened a link to a version of Picassa for Linux. Since I've been using it on my Win2K system, I thought I'd give it a whirl. It works nice! I've never been really fond of Digikam or FSpot so this will work great for me.
I think it is the Windows version running via Wine. A box in the right of the page spills the beans.
Perhaps if there are enough downloads they will consider a native port ;)
That was my original goal. However, I think they will leave it as is.
Apparently it is using an 'embedded' version of Crossover Office which gives them the WINE libs they need. Since they bought Picassa as an already created Win32 PE application, they don't want to rewrite it.
However, on the Google list, I saw a few of the employees mention that they are working on a true Linux port of Google Earth, since it is apparently already written in Qt - the very cool library which also runs the very kool KDE.
Stand by...same bat time....same bat channel... -- k
After the long discussion about registering on Suse 10.1 in this ML I just wonder if privacy is something people expect only from Suse...??? With installing picasa you'll have to accept a long, long text (who reads it?). You don't have to klick for any registration - this is done fully automatically, if you want or not. it's quite worth having a look at http://picasa.google.com/linux/eula.html: "The Picasa Software may communicate with Google's servers to check for available updates to the Picasa Software..." "Each time you launch Picasa, PicasaUpdate.exe checks the Picasa server for the latest available version." "By installing the Picasa Software and not disabling the automated check for Updates, you hereby agree to automatically request and receive Updates from Google's servers." "If you send a request to Googles servers, we record standard log information, including Internet Protocol addresses and information related to your request. We also log information about the installation process and your system and settings when you download Picasa." Don't tell me you can switch off the "calling home" - you can, but only *after* your install that has already sent (at least) the data mentioned above... Forthermore to my eyes picasa is very "unlinux": (see http://picasa.google.com/linux/eula.html) "You agree not to modify, adapt, translate, prepare derivative works from, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Picasa Software" or http://picasa.google.com/linux/faq.html#26: "Picasa for Linux isn’t open source; it uses a carefully tested version of Wine to run the current Windows version of Picasa. Wine itself is an open-source implementation of the Windows API. It runs on top of the X Window System and Linux or Unix." Well, who accepts this can as well stay with M$ at all, IMHO. Google *uses* open source wine, but hides their own part. A game played very well and professionally by M$ since ages. It is definitively not what I understand the "linux way"... IMHO: if there are enough downloads they will *never* consider a native linux port, because they see that linux people don't give a sh** on privacy and open source as long as an application is kind of cool. There are really *great* applications developped in the open source world and I think one should better support them than the "big industry", don't you think so, too? Well, just my 2 cents... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com special interest site: http://www.bauer-nudes.com
Daniel Bauer wrote:
"If you send a request to Googles servers, we record standard log information, including Internet Protocol addresses and information related to your request.
Hopefully, they'll get the local, behind the firewall address. ;-)
"Picasa for Linux isn’t open source; it uses a carefully tested version of Wine to run the current Windows version of Picasa. Wine itself is an open-source implementation of the Windows API. It runs on top of the X Window System and Linux or Unix."
Well, who accepts this can as well stay with M$ at all, IMHO. Google *uses* open source wine, but hides their own part. A game played very well and professionally by M$ since ages. It is definitively not what I understand the "linux way"...
One thing to bear in mind, is there's no requirement for a Linux app to be open source, unless you use open source to build it.
On Sat, May 27, 2006 15:02:37 PM -0400, James Knott (james.knott@rogers.com) wrote:
Well, who accepts this can as well stay with M$ at all, IMHO. Google *uses* open source wine, but hides their own part. A game played very well and professionally by M$ since ages. It is definitively not what I understand the "linux way"...
One thing to bear in mind, is there's no requirement for a Linux app to be open source, unless you use open source to build it.
You mean "unless you build it modifying _existing_ open source code", don't you? There is nothing in the GPL and other OSS licenses which prevents you from using, say, gcc on Gnu/Linux to compile your _new_, _original_ source code and only sell the resulting binary with whatever license you choose. There is plenty of proprietary software already ported to Linux (Oracle, many CAD / EDA packages...) exactly because it _could_ remain proprietary and fully closed source. Ciao, Marco -- Marco Fioretti mfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 5 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ I have always imagined that paradise will be a kind of library. Jorge Luis Borges (1899-1986)
On Saturday 27 May 2006 09:35 am, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 18:06 schrieb kai:
Ja! Dass schrieb ich! :P <snip>
However, on the Google list, I saw a few of the employees mention that they are working on a true Linux port of Google Earth, since it is apparently already written in Qt - the very cool library which also runs the very kool KDE.
Stand by...same bat time....same bat channel... After the long discussion about registering on Suse 10.1 in this ML I just wonder if privacy is something people expect only from Suse...???
Must've missed that thread. I have yet to register any of my 10.1 systems. Ah well, anyone with any talent will know my IP. I rarely use a proxy - only when hitting "those" sites.
With installing picasa you'll have to accept a long, long text (who reads it?). You don't have to klick for any registration - this is done fully automatically, if you want or not. it's quite worth having a look at http://picasa.google.com/linux/eula.html:
"The Picasa Software may communicate with Google's servers to check for available updates to the Picasa Software..."
"Each time you launch Picasa, PicasaUpdate.exe checks the Picasa server for the latest available version."
"By installing the Picasa Software and not disabling the automated check for Updates, you hereby agree to automatically request and receive Updates from Google's servers."
"If you send a request to Googles servers, we record standard log information, including Internet Protocol addresses and information related to your request. We also log information about the installation process and your system and settings when you download Picasa."
Don't tell me you can switch off the "calling home" - you can, but only *after* your install that has already sent (at least) the data mentioned above...
Oh, no!! Google might know my IP???? I hope that doesn't happen whever I click on an AdSense link or on their search engine.
Forthermore to my eyes picasa is very "unlinux": (see http://picasa.google.com/linux/eula.html)
"You agree not to modify, adapt, translate, prepare derivative works from, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive source code from the Picasa Software"
What does that have to do with Linux, Mr. Stallman. :P Seriously, though, companies should make OSS - that is a notion I agree with. I believe most good work these days is OSS. However, there's no law saying one can only run OSS on their systems. Unfortunately, there are still many who believe that closed source is the only way to go. I was asked by a programmer at my work the other day how one would expect to make money if one wrote OSS instead of closed source. This question simply shows the level of ignorance and brain-washing inherent in today's programmer. I simply pull out the examples of MySQL and RedHat when describing how money can be made using an OSS model. Eventually enough people will begin to understand.
or http://picasa.google.com/linux/faq.html#26:
"Picasa for Linux isn’t open source; it uses a carefully tested version of Wine to run the current Windows version of Picasa. Wine itself is an open-source implementation of the Windows API. It runs on top of the X Window System and Linux or Unix."
Well, who accepts this can as well stay with M$ at all, IMHO. Google *uses* open source wine, but hides their own part. A game played very well and professionally by M$ since ages. It is definitively not what I understand the "linux way"...
I'm not quite sure what the "linux way" is other than what Richard Stallman may advocate. Of course, he disagrees with even the term "Linux" as it is. In any case, I see no reason Google couldn't take the code they bought and write a WINE wrapper around it to make it available to us in the *nix community. There may be further legal implications we are not aware of. For example, most Win32 code is written with toolkits which themselves are not OSS in nature. Hence, if Picasa were written with one of these controls, Google would be automatically not able to give out the entire source code, simply because they wouldn't have the source code for the toolkit. I've installed it on my 10.0 laptop and my mom's 9.2 system and it works great. I don't see Google as "evil" or "monopolistic" in the same way Microsoft is or Novell once was. (I used to bash Novell in the mid-90's as much as I did/do Microsoft.) The fact that Microshaft takes others' code and wraps it into their own (i.e. Visio, DOS, Windows NT/2K/XP...) is a business decision, which has worked very well for Microsoft. Google is simply following the path of least resistance by buying companies such as Picasa or Keyhole Here's an old snapshot of Picasa's website: http://web.archive.org/web/20030215114048/www.lifescapeinc.com/picasa/
IMHO: if there are enough downloads they will *never* consider a native linux port, because they see that linux people don't give a sh** on privacy and open source as long as an application is kind of cool.
That may be, but I have a strong suspicion there are other reasons. Just look at what they're doing with Google Earth, which will be a true Linux port, once they're done.
There are really *great* applications developped in the open source world and I think one should better support them than the "big industry", don't you think so, too?
Well, valid point. If I knew C# better, I might try my hand at making F-Spot a workable product. If I knew C++ at all, I'd begin to fix the horrendous UI in the GIMP so people would actually use it. Unfortunately, I know neither language. I will continue to support OSS projects like JAlbum (http://jalbum.net/), which I use still to make my HTML photo pages. http://www.perfectreign.com/pics/2005/june/index.html Oh, wait - JAlbum can't be OSS because it relies on Java. The horrible non OSS language created by the eVul James Gosling. I'll have to go back to the OSS software F-Spot created using mono.net based on the C# language advanced by that bastion of open source support, Microsoft. http://tinyurl.com/m5eyc (I actually was at TechEd 01 and was very interested in .net, but then became very disillusioned.) -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
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