On 14/06/2021 11.03, Ianseeks wrote:

Whats happened to the list.opensuse.org/archives ? and Factory List?

database service crashed on the weekend. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On Monday, 14 June 2021 17:27:02 BST Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 14/06/2021 11.03, Ianseeks wrote:

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Whats happened to the list.opensuse.org/archives ? and Factory List?

database service crashed on the weekend.

Thanks. all is well now. -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20210609 Qt: 5.15.2 KDE Frameworks: 5.82.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.22.0 - kwin 5.22.0 kmail2 5.17.1 (21.04.1) - akonadiserver 5.17.1 (21.04.1) - Kernel: 5.12.9-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:15 AM Ianseeks wrote:

Thanks. it all seems fine now.

is the opensuse status page actually supposed to mean anything at all? it doesnt seem to be updated for various of its objects for many months and long timespans, the green icons seemingly dont mean anything at all. it was and is all green, also during past days. and the tooltip over the lists for example show its last state is from march 2021, other objects are older and more. https://status.opensuse.org/

https://status.opensuse.org/

ty.

On 15/06/2021 22:17, Per Jessen wrote:

Mailing lists were definitely indicated as down since Saturday evening.

Hmmm; in part. When I checked status.opensuse.org late Sunday NZST, the mailing lists were flagged in red as "Major outage". Next morning, however, that flag had disappeared and the site said all systems operational. But it was another 24 hours before the lists themselves actually came up ... -- Robin K Wellington "Harbour City" New Zealand

On 15/06/2021 12.44, Robin Klitscher wrote:

On 15/06/2021 22:17, Per Jessen wrote:

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Mailing lists were definitely indicated as down since Saturday evening.

Hmmm; in part.

When I checked status.opensuse.org late Sunday NZST, the mailing lists were flagged in red as "Major outage". Next morning, however, that flag had disappeared and the site said all systems operational. But it was another 24 hours before the lists themselves actually came up ...

Mail lists were operating on Monday morning (about 14 hours CEST, I think), but mails sent at that time still took hours to be published because of the backlog. At 18 UTC and a bit, mails appeared on time. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Ianseeks wrote:

On Monday, 14 June 2021 17:40:47 BST Per Jessen wrote:

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Ianseeks wrote:

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Whats happened to the list.opensuse.org/archives ? and Factory List?

We have had a severe database issue since Friday. This has impacted many things, amongst others mailman and hyperkitty. We are working on it.

Seems list.opensuse.org/archives is showing "Server Error" again.

Yeah. We really are working very hard on this, three or four of us, since around 1800. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.2°C)

On 2021-06-15 2:30 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:

Le 15/06/2021 à 22:22, Per Jessen a écrit :

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We really are working very hard on this, three or four of us, since around 1800.

with bow, arrows and spades :-==

jdd

Nope -- string and chewing gum. ;)

On 15/06/2021 23.58, Robin Klitscher wrote:

On 15/06/2021 23:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 15/06/2021 12.44, Robin Klitscher wrote:

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On 15/06/2021 22:17, Per Jessen wrote:

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Mailing lists were definitely indicated as down since Saturday evening.

Hmmm; in part.

When I checked status.opensuse.org late Sunday NZST, the mailing lists were flagged in red as "Major outage".  Next morning, however, that flag had disappeared and the site said all systems operational.  But it was another 24 hours before the lists themselves actually came up ...

Mail lists were operating on Monday morning (about 14 hours CEST, I think), but mails sent at that time still took hours to be published because of the backlog. At 18 UTC and a bit, mails appeared on time.

Sure. In that case, however, and from the eye of the external beholder rather than of the technical insider, is there not an argument that the status site should delay saying all is well until the backlog is cleared????

Well, the status are written by busy people, not computers detecting that something is down. The people that fixed the systems did fix the system, wrote on the status machine that the system was fixed, and left. They did not stay watching, they were busy. They had seen that the daemons were up and running, the logs wrote things working. All good. I knew there was a delay and guessed why, but I don't write the status, no access. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021, 12:17:19 CEST schrieb Per Jessen:

cagsm wrote:

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On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:15 AM Ianseeks

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Thanks. it all seems fine now.

is the opensuse status page actually supposed to mean anything at all?

Generally yes, but we are not always good at updating it. Fixing the issue often takes priority.

...are you saying that the status page is *not* part of any form of automatic monitoring and notification setup? ... speechless. -- Mathias Homann Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org Jabber (XMPP): lemmy@tuxonline.tech IRC: [Lemmy] on freenode and ircnet (bouncer active) telegram: https://telegram.me/lemmy98 keybase: https://keybase.io/lemmy gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102

Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021, 12:17:19 CEST schrieb Per Jessen:

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cagsm wrote:

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On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:15 AM Ianseeks

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Thanks. it all seems fine now.

is the opensuse status page actually supposed to mean anything at all?

Generally yes, but we are not always good at updating it. Fixing the issue often takes priority.

...are you saying that the status page is *not* part of any form of automatic monitoring and notification setup?

That is correct, it is simply a static webpage - well, two, one in Nuernberg, one in Provo. It is a public information page - our internal monitoring infos would not mean much to anyone. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes.

Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2021-06-15 11:34 p.m., Mathias Homann wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021, 23:02:08 CEST schrieb Darryl Gregorash:

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On 2021-06-15 2:30 p.m., jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 15/06/2021 à 22:22, Per Jessen a écrit :

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We really are working very hard on this, three or four of us, since around 1800.

with bow, arrows and spades :-==

jdd

Nope -- string and chewing gum. ;)

McGyver just called, he wants his "toolbox" back.

I don't have it, ask Per where it is.

Sorry, I'm keeping it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.9°C)

Am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021, 08:31:01 CEST schrieb Per Jessen:

Mathias Homann wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 15. Juni 2021, 12:17:19 CEST schrieb Per Jessen:

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cagsm wrote:

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On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:15 AM Ianseeks

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Thanks. it all seems fine now.

is the opensuse status page actually supposed to mean anything at all?

Generally yes, but we are not always good at updating it. Fixing the issue often takes priority.

...are you saying that the status page is *not* part of any form of automatic monitoring and notification setup?

That is correct, it is simply a static webpage - well, two, one in Nuernberg, one in Provo.

It is a public information page - our internal monitoring infos would not mean much to anyone.

A static "status page" that gets updated whenever someone has enough free time to do it doesn't mean much either - every time there actually IS something that users could look at to avoind having to ask the same questions as everybody else there is noone with enough free time to update the page... Cheers MH -- Mathias Homann Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org OBS: lemmy04 Jabber (XMPP): lemmy@tuxonline.tech IRC: [Lemmy] on freenode and ircnet (bouncer active) telegram: https://telegram.me/lemmy98 keybase: https://keybase.io/lemmy gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102

On 16/06/2021 18:33, Per Jessen wrote:

Robin Klitscher wrote:

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On 15/06/2021 23:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 15/06/2021 12.44, Robin Klitscher wrote:

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On 15/06/2021 22:17, Per Jessen wrote:

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Mailing lists were definitely indicated as down since Saturday evening.

Hmmm; in part.

When I checked status.opensuse.org late Sunday NZST, the mailing lists were flagged in red as "Major outage".  Next morning, however, that flag had disappeared and the site said all systems operational. But it was another 24 hours before the lists themselves actually came up ...

Mail lists were operating on Monday morning (about 14 hours CEST, I think), but mails sent at that time still took hours to be published because of the backlog. At 18 UTC and a bit, mails appeared on time.

Sure. In that case, however, and from the eye of the external beholder rather than of the technical insider, is there not an argument that the status site should delay saying all is well until the backlog is cleared????

We have two pages, synched with each other. Due to a slight configuration hiccup, the "major outrage" was overwritten with the "all is well".

Thank you. I assure you I'm not at all "outraged"! I accept that people were busy. (But I do admit to a misgiving or two about a proposition that business might be sufficient to supersede accuracy.) -- Robin K Wellington "Harbour City" New Zealand