I don't know if you are stuck on using KPPP, but I would recommend kinternet. It is much easier to configure and use than kppp. I use this dialer, and I am very pleased. Lots of Luck, Jim On Mon January 26 2004 11:22 am, Stone Tool wrote:

I have had fits with KPPP in SUSI. Every time I log out of SUSI the file /etc/resolv.conf is deleted for some reason and each time I then try to launch a dial up connection it informs me that this file is missing and while it still try's to make a connection it never completes it. This requires going root to replace the file. I have created an empty file of this name in the / directory and now simply launch terminal and copy it to /etc prior to launching a dial up connection.

An unnecessary irritant ...... Susi also required me to change the SUID bit on the /usr/sbin/pppd file to operate KPPP.

What do I have to do to escape this sort of nonsense?? it is damnably inconvenient. With SUSI even though I set up my Internet connection during install, I then had to go in and set it up in KPPP. I am not sure what Kinternet does, but it apparently does not take the place of KPPP though when I click it ( after installing the update ) it will launch KPPP and my dialup connection. Seems like an unnecessary widget. I also had to go in and set up my printer even though it was recognized and I configured it during installation.

Otherwise I like SUSI better than most Linux installations I have used. It has the monitor description for my SUN GDM20d10 monitor and easily sets up my dual display under Xinerama .... something I have never been able to accomplish with any other distribution. Under Mandrake I was forced to call it an IBM 2128 MM75 to get to even work.... which was OK once I figured that out, but I could never get both displays to operate at once under Xinerama. A 20" and 17" display side by side makes a wonderful desktop to sprawl out across and I have come to depend upon it... putting my email, spreadsheet, text document or some other task on the small screen while running the browser on the big one.

SUGGESTIONS PLEASE.......

I appreciate any suggestions anybody has to offer here.

My previous concern about having a user friendly database was addressed though not to complete satisfaction and I thank those who responded. Open Office looks like it may eventually work for me using tables created in DBF format ( rather than the MySQL format that was suggested and probably would work as well ).... Once I get the quirks of form design in Open Office worked out. The form generation capability there sucks! .... it simply does not give the flexibility nor is it set up in a manner that makes figuring it out easily. I am reminded of a time years ago when a friend was complaining about the complexity of setting up a mail merge in WordPerfect and I tried the equivalent project using Filemaker and Claris McWrite II on my Macintosh SE.... and found that with no experience whatsoever in such things I was able to create a database and enter data using only the menus to figure out the procedure, then export a tab delimited file .... which I figured out from the menus that I had to do, and then in McWrite I was able to create a form letter and include the appropriate fields. The entire project including data entry and composing the letter took less than an hour. This is the way software should be put together and Apple Computer deserves a lot of credit for redefining how computers should work. Kudos to Jobs and Wozniak for that!

I did get Kinternet to operate finally after doing a clean install .... wiping SUSI completely. Unfortunately the YAST installer does not upgrade .... I at first tried to wipe Kinternet and KPPP both and a few other things and do an "upgrade" back to them. YAST informed me as it has in the past that there was nothing to upgrade??? I ran through a full install, and it connected to the internet fine during the install as before..... I selected "basic system" and did not install any of the optional interfaces and unnecessary tools. When the install was complete KInternet did not respond at all, but rather than installing KPPP as I had done previously when this happened I installed KInternet 0.45-121 from an RPM I had downloaded and saved to my windows partition. This made KInternet work. It now dials up when I request a page from the internet. Interestingly enough when Galeon ( which I later installed as I prefer it to the other browsers ) comes online it states that it cannot find it's home page rather than dialing it...... a rather good thing actually! As soon as you place a cursor after the URL and hit enter it dials up. I don't know how to shut off Kinternet except to click the icon to disconnect it..... after which it must be clicked to make it active again so it can dial up on request. It is a fine effort to make internet access simpler, but needs some polishing yet. KPPP worked fine for me until SUSI introduced Kinternet. Thanks for all the help Howard Wilkinson *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/26/04 at 7:16 PM James Knott wrote:

Jim wrote:

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I don't know if you are stuck on using KPPP, but I would recommend kinternet. It is much easier to configure and use than kppp. I use this dialer, and I am very pleased.

I gave up on Kinternet and went back to Kppp. It works fine.

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In general SuSE additions, to Linux are configured via Yast. The Internet (modem Dial-up) connection is no exception. Trying to "unconfigure" the work SuSE put into the distribution is usually counter productive (unless you got a reason not to use the SuSE stuff, use it) So what this means is that if you didn't mess with the KPPP definitions, the Yast configurations <em>should</em> have worked. Your comment that SuSE lost the definitions for the Printer and Internet Dial-Up account after the installation sounds like the real problem to me, that should not have happened. I would try the Yast again, although, Yast tries not to overwrite files modified by hand (might have problems with files you modifed by hand). Jerry P.S. The KInternet with the Analogue and ISDN modems has not failed me since about SuSE 6.2 (is that 4 or 5 years now?), So I would give it another try... 8-) On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 17:22, Stone Tool wrote:

I have had fits with KPPP in SUSI. Every time I log out of SUSI the file /etc/resolv.conf is deleted for some reason and each time I then try to launch a dial up connection it informs me that this file is missing and while it still try's to make a connection it never completes it. This requires going root to replace the file. I have created an empty file of this name in the / directory and now simply launch terminal and copy it to /etc prior to launching a dial up connection.

An unnecessary irritant ...... Susi also required me to change the SUID bit on the /usr/sbin/pppd file to operate KPPP.

What do I have to do to escape this sort of nonsense?? it is damnably inconvenient. With SUSI even though I set up my Internet connection during install, I then had to go in and set it up in KPPP. I am not sure what Kinternet does, but it apparently does not take the place of KPPP though when I click it ( after installing the update ) it will launch KPPP and my dialup connection. Seems like an unnecessary widget. I also had to go in and set up my printer even though it was recognized and I configured it during installation.

Otherwise I like SUSI better than most Linux installations I have used. It has the monitor description for my SUN GDM20d10 monitor and easily sets up my dual display under Xinerama .... something I have never been able to accomplish with any other distribution. Under Mandrake I was forced to call it an IBM 2128 MM75 to get to even work.... which was OK once I figured that out, but I could never get both displays to operate at once under Xinerama. A 20" and 17" display side by side makes a wonderful desktop to sprawl out across and I have come to depend upon it... putting my email, spreadsheet, text document or some other task on the small screen while running the browser on the big one.

SUGGESTIONS PLEASE.......

I appreciate any suggestions anybody has to offer here.

My previous concern about having a user friendly database was addressed though not to complete satisfaction and I thank those who responded. Open Office looks like it may eventually work for me using tables created in DBF format ( rather than the MySQL format that was suggested and probably would work as well ).... Once I get the quirks of form design in Open Office worked out. The form generation capability there sucks! .... it simply does not give the flexibility nor is it set up in a manner that makes figuring it out easily. I am reminded of a time years ago when a friend was complaining about the complexity of setting up a mail merge in WordPerfect and I tried the equivalent project using Filemaker and Claris McWrite II on my Macintosh SE.... and found that with no experience whatsoever in such things I was able to create a database and enter data using only the menus to figure out the procedure, then export a tab delimited file .... which I figured out from the menus that I had to do, and then in McWrite I was able to create a form letter and include the appropriate fields. The entire project including data entry and composing the letter took less than an hour. This is the way software should be put together and Apple Computer deserves a lot of credit for redefining how computers should work. Kudos to Jobs and Wozniak for that!