On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 09:05:24AM +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2019, 08:25:42 CET schrieb Marcus Meissner:

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On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:42:06PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:

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All,

Just for clarification, in an earlier thread on this list, the plan (likely)> was to support 15.0 with updates until the release of 16.0.

Any pointer to this thread?

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On the Security and Announce lists, Marcus gave Advance Notice of discontinuation of 15.0 at the end of November. It is no longer the plan to extend 15.0 until 16.0 is release?

I am not aware of this plan, and I had checked with Ludwig as release manager.

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As it is, that will leave 15.1 as the only release, 15.2 isn't scheduled for> release until May??

This is currently corect.

And if something really bad were to happen with 15.2 that would delay it for long enough there would be NO officially supported Leap release?

I doubt this will happen, but I think in that case we would shift 15.1 EOL to still ensure around 6 month overlap. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 31/10/2019 21.07, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/31/2019 02:25 AM, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:42:06PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:

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All,

Just for clarification, in an earlier thread on this list, the plan (likely) was to support 15.0 with updates until the release of 16.0.

Any pointer to this thread?

Sorry Marcus,

I recall it around the "[opensuse] RIP 42.3 - damn good release." thread that migrated over into the valgrind exclusion file needs update issue. I'll have to get better at searching the archives, that's never been one of my strong points.

I clearly recall a post from an opensuse person (no, I don't recall exactly who), but the text was clear, 15.0 would likely be extended until 16 was released. (which is what prompted me to move 2 boxes to 15 instead of 15.1)

That has to be a misunderstanding. The 15.* series will extend till 16.0, and should be EOL maybe just as 16.1 is released or a bit earlier. Hopefully a bit later, to facilititate migration from 15.* to 16.* which is a bit harder than from 15.* to 15(*+1). But 15.0 can not extend till 16.0, no way. The best it might do is till 15.2 is released, some very few weeks. And not always. Consider there will probably be 15.0, 15.1, 15.2. perhaps 15.3 and even 15.4 (depends on what the SLE people do). There is no way that 15.0 can be maintained till 16.0 release. Also when you said "move 2 boxes to 15 instead of 15.1" that there is no "15" release. 15.0, yes. What I think I remember was that 15.0 would be extended a bit more than the release of 15.1 to allow people to migrate from 42.*. And this has been so. The upgrades 15.0 --> 15.1 --> 15.2 --> 15.3 --> 15.4 should all be trivial.

That's the only reason your early discontinuation notice caught my eye. But no matter, it either was to be extended or it wasn't, but it did make sense when I read it because I can't recall a point in the past nearly 2 decades when there has only been 1 SuSE/openSUSE release available.

Once, I think.

In the old .even/.odd minor version being the stable/development releases,

There was never such a difference between even-odd releases. That's fake news, rumours. In fact, prior to Leap, all were major stable releases, with a beta phase of each one. Ie, 13.1 was a major, 13.2 another major, etc. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 31/10/2019 22.54, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/31/2019 04:18 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

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In the old .even/.odd minor version being the stable/development releases,

There was never such a difference between even-odd releases. That's fake news, rumours.

In fact, prior to Leap, all were major stable releases, with a beta phase of each one. Ie, 13.1 was a major, 13.2 another major, etc.

Carlos,

I was referring to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning#Odd-numbered_version s_for_development_releases

Not a hard SuSE/openSUSE criteria.

That only applies to the kernel, or whatever projects adhere to it voluntarily (and they have to say so somewhere). It absolutely has no meaning in openSUSE, not even SuSE. That is 14.1 was a stable major, 14.2 was a stable major, 14.3 was a stable major, 14.4 was a stable major. Never did openSUSE or SUSE or SuSE release a development release. The procedure was: we have 11.1 released final gold, then we start developing 11.2. Work on it for some months, then eventually it becomes 11.2 stable, gold release. With the role of factory changing with the years. For example after some months of 10.1 release, factory would be copied out and it became 10.2 alpha. Never, never, never, did (open)SUSE *release* a non stable version. Never never never was X.y(odd) less/more stable than X.y(even). Never, never, never! Not two decades ago, not a decade ago, not now. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXbt4DAAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1YrfAJ4tL8ZbVcMjG5w+RXeGz/fTRZylFACdETsFtwpiBRyAseUNm87dO/cmpaw= =07EZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org