Thanks for the offer, though I don't think many will remember to do that...

But I will try and maybe CC you when I reply or maybe forward them to you...

Thanks, Allen. I don't read each thread but the KDE bugs are important to me and I don't want to miss them. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�Z+i�b�*'jW(�f�vǦj)h���Ǿ��i�������

On Friday 20 March 2009 08:34:55 Clayton wrote:

Is it me... or are a *lot* of Dotan's emails coming through as this apparently random jumble of letters and numbers?

His email are base64 encoded. Can't gmail (or whatever client you're using) handle that? With kmail it's decoded transparently Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Is it me... or are a *lot* of Dotan's emails coming through as this apparently random jumble of letters and numbers?

Thanks for the warning, I removed the non-ASCII character from my sig for the time being. Another poster on the Python list mentioned that today too, so apparently there is some bug in Gmail where the mail is being base64 encoded, but the declaration is wrong. I'm not even going to bother looking into it, I'll just remove the offending characters for now. Thanks, Clayton, for the warning. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-03-20 at 10:08 -0000, ne... wrote:

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Another poster on the Python list mentioned that today too, so apparently there is some bug in Gmail where the mail is being base64 encoded, but the declaration is wrong. I'm not even going to bother looking into it, I'll just remove the offending characters for now. Probably should be reported to gmail so they can sort it out.

I think I reported that time ago. Didn't hear a word from them. It actually happens when the list server attaches a plain text "postsignature" (the unsusbcribe intructions) to a gmail encoded mail in 64. Direct email is not affected. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknDm7gACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UmgQCggNdu6vM88+Pwlxh+AdstUcOb 0m0An3cv0fbBbA+hXHFQmGEqkTFdJCLl =HLDU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On the other hand, you are right collection of alphabets is not worth debugging effort. Plain text works with every application.

Actually, for me it is. I depend upon people's replies to contain those collections of alphabets wrongly encoded. I then use the wrongly-encoded text to build a database of wrongly-encoded characters, so that I can translate those characters back into whatever language that they were. This is a big problem for Hebrew and Arabic users, and I've included Russian and German as well. But if it is causing people problems, and it seems that due to a new flaw in Gmail it is, I will disable it for now. In a few weeks I'll put it back. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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But if it is causing people problems, and it seems that due to a new flaw in Gmail it is, I will disable it for now. In a few weeks I'll put it back.

It's not new, it is an old and known interaction between gmail viewver and the mlmmj list server.

This has been discussed here at lenght, for example, this thread - and you were the "trigger" that time, too: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:24:53 +0100 (CET) From: Carlos E. R. <> To: OS-en Subject: [opensuse] Gmail shows empty emails [Was: Thunderbird, Reply-to List 3.0, and slowness opening large emails] - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknDxTYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XZxwCfYpP3bZhV9YXZyHU8bU3TnVY/ 5WUAoIheQQRhNn33VnbZ84w+YkafkWFO =avov -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Is it me... or are a *lot* of Dotan's emails coming through as this apparently random jumble of letters and numbers?

I haven't seen that.

I removed the non-ASCII characters from my sig, so it should not be problematic anymore. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009 12:07:50 am Rodney Baker wrote:

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:15:34 Bob S wrote:

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[...] # 3a In Kmail, ( 1.11.1) in the folder list, I like to see the totals of the messages in that column. I have many directories to segregate my emails into categories. You can right click on the bar at the top which says folders and then gives you the choices that you want for the folder list and you can select it. (Total messages in my case) But you cannot see that unless you drag the message window way over to the right. Then when you attempt to drag the Total column over to the left to make a reasonably narrow Directories space the stupid thing jumps past folders and makes a mess. If you try to drag the “Totals” column just past the “Folders” it jumps all the way to the right again and being hidden under the message window.

Bob, What font are you using? This works fine on my desktop (KDE4.2, Kmail 1.11.1 "Release 104"

Hmm...Not sure which font it is but will check. You really think that could make a difference?

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#3d Why can't you copy and paste into the "To" line or the "CC" line?

This also works fine. I can right-click and select "Paste" or I can use Ctrl+C to copy, Ctrl+V to paste into both the "To" and "CC" fields.

Nope. Can't do either of those things. I can copy an adddress to paste but it always pastes it into the "Message" field. What is puzzling is why some people can have a weird thing like this and others do not. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 23 March 2009 07:47:09 am Rodney Baker wrote:

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:07:07 Bob S wrote:

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On Sunday 22 March 2009 12:07:50 am Rodney Baker wrote:

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#3d Why can't you copy and paste into the "To" line or the "CC" line?

This also works fine. I can right-click and select "Paste" or I can use Ctrl+C to copy, Ctrl+V to paste into both the "To" and "CC" fields.

Nope. Can't do either of those things. I can copy an adddress to paste but it always pastes it into the "Message" field. What is puzzling is why some people can have a weird thing like this and others do not.

How are you selecting the fields? By mouse click or by using the tab key to move between fields? There was a problem with tab order at one stage where I could not select the Cc field that way (could only get into it using the mouse). This is now fixed (at least on my machine).

By using the mouse. Never tabbed those lines. I hate to say it, or do it, but because maybe Anders is right. Blow away .kde4 and rebuild. Took me so long to set up my desktop the way I wanted it. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob S wrote:

On Thursday 19 March 2009 06:54:18 am Dotan Cohen wrote:

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I see many complaints about KDE 4 on the Suse list. Please, if you are using KDE 4.2 and you are experiencing any reproducible bug, either file it or start a new thread about the bug and CC me in the thread. KDE 4.2 was the first KDE 4 release meant for end users and if you are having issues, then it is a bug that KDE wants fixed.

Hello SuSE people,

As Dotan requested we all could post bugs here on 4.2 and he would initiate them to the “bugzilla”for action. I hope that means features also. Features that are found in KDE3.5 which are now missing. So here goes: A few to start off with and many more to come as I find them.

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Bob S

Bob's intro was so good, I just thought I'd use it as well. For KDE4 (1) fish upload of files in quanta; (2) kickerrc omits the parameter "MenuEntryHeight=" causing the traditional kde menu to be very cramped; (3) Resolve the incompatability continues between sudo in KDE and kdesu; (4) Emerald themes for compiz (5) (I don't recall specifics, but wasn't there also an issue with kruler and kcolorchooser?) I know I have others, but it's been so long ago since I gave up on KDE4, I have lost track of most. I'll try reloading 4.2. What are the repositories I should use to get kde4.2.1? I also recall that I should set kde4 up as a different user to prevent conflicts. Do I still need to do this? Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009 04:03:26 am Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 March 2009 09:48:15 David C. Rankin wrote: ...

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I also recall that I should set kde4 up as a different user to prevent conflicts. Do I still need to do this? Thanks.

You never needed to do this. The kde3 settings are in .kde and the kde4 settings are in .kde4, completely separate and won't cause any conflicts

I read this time and again and every time I tried both on the same user it messed desktop icons, and I guess few more related config files. I don't know for other, but I would not do that again. My last attempt was 2-3 months ago. First when I logged in KDE4 it was a mess, which wasn't unexpected, then after cleanup, or workspace setup, I logged out and logged in KDE3, which was messed too. I cleaned that up and decided not to repeat that ever. Desktop is single place in openSUSE where 3 meets 4. If it is empty, or, probably, has only default desktop files, it can work fine, but in my case it didn't. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009 06:38:16 am Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 March 2009 12:35:01 Rajko M. wrote:

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Desktop is single place in openSUSE where 3 meets 4. If it is empty, or, probably, has only default desktop files, it can work fine, but in my case it didn't.

hm, in what way were the icons a mess?

It was some time ago, so I miss details. It was missing icons and rearranged desktop. I can't recall was every, .desktop with default icon functional, ie. would start program. Hmm ... it wouldn't be. If I don't have same programs installed in 3 and 4, that would produce problem. Paths are different (unless absolute) and .desktop will be dysfunctional.

The only thing I can think of is that kde3 and kde4 can't see each other's icons, so if you only have a name like "icon=foo" and the other kde version doesn't have an icon called foo in its directory, it would show a broken icon.

That was very likely the case.

This could be fixed in two ways, either by setting up separate Desktop directories for kde3 and kde4 (or by using the kde4 default, to not have icons on the desktop), or by giving the location of the icon as a full path.

First solution has no advantage to 2 separate user accounts. Second if forced is regression. Something called Desktop should act as one. Third would be solution for both, programs and icons.

If anything else breaks in the desktop files it should probably be a bug, since that syntax is mostly freedesktop.org organised, not kde

I see. That might be a problem.

The location of the icons on the desktop is stored in the .kde/ or .kde4 directory, so that should be separate

That happend to be messed. I can't recall in what way. It can be that my fix in KDE4 forced KDE3 to rearrange. For me it is not worth effort to look at. System with 2 accounts works for me. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009 11:21:39 Dotan Cohen wrote:

I know that this is a pain since this is only a minor-version upgrade. Even KDE 3.x to KDE 4.[0,1] did not require this.

huh? You're able to run kde4 with kde3 config files? Anyway, I just updated a fresh install of 11.1 to the latest kde 4.2.1 packages, without doing anything with the plasmarc or plasma-applets.rc or any other config file, and I'm not seeing any problem with the panel. Are you talking about the bug a while back, where a couple of rogue icons appeared every time you logged in? Because if you are, I think that was fixed some time ago Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

(1) fish upload of files in quanta;

Could you be more specific? I don't use quanta, but if you post reproduction instructions, or even how it is in KDE 3, then I will triage Quanta this week. Thanks.

(2) kickerrc omits the parameter "MenuEntryHeight=" causing the traditional kde menu to be very cramped;

The traditional menu seems fine in KDE 4.2.2. If it's not for you, then please mail me a screenshot. Thanks!

(3) Resolve the incompatability continues between sudo in KDE and kdesu;

Could you provide more info? I am not having any issues.

(4) Emerald themes for compiz

That is quite out of the hand of KDE, sorry. But if you link to where you get your KDE 3 themes from, I will take a look and see what I can recommend.

(5) (I don't recall specifics, but wasn't there also an issue with kruler and kcolorchooser?)

Both seem to work fine for me. I do remember having problems with kcolorchooser at one point, but now it works fine (at least, the eyedropper works, which is all that I use it for).

       I know I have others, but it's been so long ago since I gave up on KDE4, I have lost track of most. I'll try reloading 4.2.

CC me when you do remember. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 22 March 09, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 March 2009 04:45:34 Bob S wrote:

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(Likewise for different wallpaper backgrounds on the virtual? Desktops? Which has been promised but is not forthcoming?)

This is a feature that is under development. The rudiments of it is actually already in kde 4.1, but it's broken so it's hidden and disabled by default. But it will get there eventually

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# 2 To leave, shutdown, or change user. You used to be able to click on an open portion of the desktop and get a menu item to “Leave” and then a sub menu to do what it was that you wished. No more. It is not there. If you go the the “kickoff” menu it brings up the “Leave” option but when you click on it nothing happens. Leaving you the last choice, on the end of the taskbar or whatever it is called now (why was it necessary to change all of the names of things?) is the little red icon for “Leave” which then works properly.

This works for me (the kickoff option). If it doesn't for you, that is a bug

Why not also the old 'right-click' way? It's tried and true and just worked.

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#3c Cannot copy attachments (jpeg, wmv, etc) from a message in the main window to the composer window. Used to be able to do that easily, Two clicks. Another missing feature.

I just tried this. You can drag and drop attachments. Open a composer window. Click and hold the attachment in the original email, and drag it over to the composer window (if it is visible), or drag it to the "kontact" taskbar entry, wait for the menu to pop up (it happens automatically if you hover over it), continue dragging the attachment to the "composer" part of the menu that pops up, which will bring up the composer window, and then drag it to the composer window. This will then paste it into the new email

Drag and drop...I keep hearing in my head a retards voice as s/he's on an M$ system, drooling on their keyboard. Why are things getting 'fixed' that don't need it? For those with cordless mice, the 'drag and drop' crap wastes battery power also. -- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009 02:08:55 pm Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 March 2009 18:47:05 JB2 wrote:

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Why not also the old 'right-click' way? It's tried and true and just worked.

That's there as well in kde 4.2.1, both "leave" and "lock" are available through right-clicking on the desktop. I'm not sure why I added the parenthesis, since all methods of "leave" and "lock" work for me in 4.2.1

Again Anders, I don't know why you have a different menu than I have. It is not on my KDE4.2.1. Already talked about the drag and drop thing in my last message.

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Drag and drop...I keep hearing in my head a retards voice as s/he's on an M$ system, drooling on their keyboard. Why are things getting 'fixed' that don't need it? For those with cordless mice, the 'drag and drop' crap wastes battery power also.

You can actually do it with a single click as well in 4.2.1, it's just the association that's missing. But right-click->open with and then selecting kmail will open up a composer window with the attachment already in there. Putting it in the context menu directly would probably be a one line thing, since it's all ui file driven

Don't know what you mean by a missing association. You mean in the menu? Right click "open with" and then selecting kmail ? Lot of extra moves for a simple operation. Besides we want to paste an attachment into an existing composer, not open a new one. That is a handy tip though if I know beforehand I want to send an attachment to someone before composing the text to accompany it. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009, JB2 wrote:

On 22 March 09, Anders Johansson wrote:

Drag and drop...I keep hearing in my head a retards voice as s/he's on an M$ system, drooling on their keyboard. Why are things getting 'fixed' that don't need it? For those with cordless mice, the 'drag and drop' crap wastes battery power also.

That would suggest that most cordless mice are crap in that case cus i got a logitech one here that has the saje batteries in it that it came with almost 5 years ago and it is used everyday (not rechargable ) just standard alkaline batteries . Pete . -- Opensuse 10.3 x86_64 (Linux is like a wigwam no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 22 March 2009 05:00:34 am Anders Johansson wrote:

On Sunday 22 March 2009 04:45:34 Bob S wrote:

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(Likewise for different wallpaper backgrounds on the virtual? Desktops? Which has been promised but is not forthcoming?)

This is a feature that is under development. The rudiments of it is actually already in kde 4.1, but it's broken so it's hidden and disabled by default. But it will get there eventually

Hopefully. Also add some sounds for the desktops, like opening, closing, at least.

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# 2 To leave, shutdown, or change user. You used to be able to click on an open portion of the desktop and get a menu item to “Leave” and then a sub menu to do what it was that you wished. No more. It is not there. If you go the the “kickoff” menu it brings up the “Leave” option but when you click on it nothing happens. Leaving you the last choice, on the end of the taskbar or whatever it is called now (why was it necessary to change all of the names of things?) is the little red icon for “Leave” which then works properly.

This works for me (the kickoff option). If it doesn't for you, that is a bug

OK, but why is it a bug for me and not for you. Don't have any idea how I would fix that short of a reinstall of 4.2.1, Also, why exclude that from the "right click" menu on the desktop? Missing feature.

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#3b Working in full screen – Composing messages by copying and pasting. Eg. Open a composer window and the small window opens up on the top of the full sized Kmail window. You want to see or copy something behind the composer window. You click on the main window and the composer window dissapears behind the main window. Now you have to reduce the main window to see the composer window again. Used to be that the composer window would minimize, appear in the task bar and a simple click would bring it up again. A missing feature.

The task bar entries are grouped. When you have a composer window open, the "kontact" (or "kmail") task bar entry is grouped. If you click on it you'll bring up a menu where you can select the composer window.

OK, the "kmail" itself shows in the task bar but if I click on it, it minimizes kmail itself. Right click it? Hmm will try that. But even still that makes extra motions to get the composer back again. I'll try what you said and see whaat happens and report back here.

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#3c Cannot copy attachments (jpeg, wmv, etc) from a message in the main window to the composer window. Used to be able to do that easily, Two clicks. Another missing feature.

I just tried this. You can drag and drop attachments. Open a composer window. Click and hold the attachment in the original email, and drag it over to the composer window (if it is visible), or drag it to the "kontact" taskbar entry, wait for the menu to pop up (it happens automatically if you hover over it), continue dragging the attachment to the "composer" part of the menu that pops up, which will bring up the composer window, and then drag it to the composer window. This will then paste it into the new email

Well, I never tried that because I work with a full screen Kmail messsage. If I click on the message to drag an attachment the composer window "hides" I guess that would work if you were working with two less than full sized windows. I will try what you said, but why not have a straight forward copy and paste?

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#3d Why can't you copy and paste into the "To" line or the "CC" line?

You can. I do this all the time

Hmmm.. Well, I cannot. It always pastes into the "message" portion pf the composer window even though the cursor is flashing in the "To" line. I really wonder why some people have these little quirks and others do not. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 23 March 2009 12:10:45 am Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 22 March 2009 10:04:12 pm Bob S wrote:

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On Sunday 22 March 2009 05:00:34 am Anders Johansson wrote:

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#3d Why can't you copy and paste into the "To" line or the "CC" line?

You can. I do this all the time

Hmmm.. Well, I cannot. It always pastes into the "message" portion pf the composer window even though the cursor is flashing in the "To" line. I really wonder why some people have these little quirks and others do not.

Bob S

Repositories?

????KDE FACTORY 4

Clean install vs. update ? Clean 11.1 with KDE4.1 but upgraded to 4.2.1

Qt 4.5 vs. Qt 4.4.3 ?

No idea, rpm tells me QT is not installed. Zypper tells me QT is already installed. Don't have a special QT repository though.

I played with KDE4 KMail, a bit, and address works fine on drag and drop from email that I'm reading to composer. The same for image attachments. If window is hidden hover over taskbar and it will bring window forward.

Wellll....I played with it for about an hour also. Can drag and drop attachments from one window to another if they are not full screen. Also found I could copy an attachment and paste it IF I went to the top of the composer window and chose "paste". Could not do it with a right click on the message though. BUT if I went down to Klipper and clicked on the previously selected "copy" I could then paste it into the composer window by right clicking in the message.. Something definitely wrong here. Can do it by one method but not another.

-- Are you watching Anders?

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On Monday 23 March 2009 04:04:12 Bob S wrote:

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This works for me (the kickoff option). If it doesn't for you, that is a bug

OK, but why is it a bug for me and not for you.

That's why it's a "bug" as opposed to "missing feature". A bug is where it usually works but in some cases not However, given all your issues which I haven't seen at all in 4.2.1, I'd recommend trying logging out, and renaming .kde4 in your home directory, and then logging back in. If that helps, then it's an issue with your configuration. If it doesn't, then I suspect you don't have a "clean" 4.2.1, but a mixture of different versions Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I am very sorry for the delay, I am having a hard time keeping up with my university work. But I will try to address some issues this week.

# 1   I have stated previously that I am visually impaired. I need a sound when a window opens or closes. There are no choices for this in the “notifications” in system settings. Many other sounds for all kinds of stuff but none for that. (Likewise for different wallpaper backgrounds on the virtual? Desktops? Which has been promised but is not forthcoming?) These are important to me. They tell me where I am by sound and sight. I usually run 6 to 8 virtual desktops. (If that is the proper terminology)

This issue has been addressed, the feature is available in KDE 4.2.2.

# 2    To leave, shutdown, or change user.  You used to be able to click on an open portion of the desktop and get a menu item to “Leave” and then a sub menu to do what it was that you wished. No more. It is not there. If you go the the “kickoff” menu it brings up the “Leave” option but when you click on it nothing happens. Leaving you the last choice, on the end of the taskbar or whatever it is called now (why was it necessary to change all of the names of things?) is the little red icon for “Leave” which then works properly.

Addressed in KDE 4.2.2, the Leave option has returned to the Desktop context menu.

# 3a   In Kmail, ( 1.11.1) in the folder list, I like to see the totals of the messages in that column. I have many directories to segregate my emails into categories. You can right click on the bar at the top which says folders and then gives you the choices that you want for the folder list and you can select it. (Total messages in my case) But you cannot see that unless you drag the message window way over to the right. Then when you attempt to drag the Total column over to the left to make a reasonably narrow Directories space the stupid thing jumps past folders and makes a mess. If you try to drag the “Totals” column just past the “Folders” it jumps all the way to the right again and being hidden under the message window.

It seems to work properly now. I had no problems configuring a ‎Total column to the left of the Folder column.

#3b Working in full screen – Composing messages by copying and pasting. Eg. Open a composer window and the small window opens up on the top of the full sized Kmail window. You want to see or copy something behind the composer window. You click on the main window and the composer window dissapears behind the main window. Now you have to reduce the main window to see the composer window again. Used to be that the composer window would minimize, appear in the task bar and a simple click would bring it up again.  A missing feature.

On my system the Composer window has a Task Bar entry. So it looks like the problem is solved.

#3c Cannot copy attachments (jpeg, wmv, etc) from a message in the main window to the composer window. Used to be able to do that easily, Two clicks. Another missing feature.

Which two clicks? In my test, I could easily drag attachments from the Main window to the Composer window and attach to the new message.

#3d Why can't you copy and paste into the "To" line or the "CC" line?

I can! Can not you?

Dotan ASKED us to do this.

Yes, and please keep them coming! KDE 4.2 is great, really, and I want to help iron out the last of the missing features. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org