[opensuse] test of sending to list using TEXT not HTML
This is an attempt to anser the problem of sending to the list - I keep getting denied posting. This is written with the HTML option disabled. winstephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 04 January 2007 16:29, StephenW wrote:
This is an attempt to anser the problem of sending to the list - I keep getting denied posting. This is written with the HTML option disabled.
winstephen
Welcome Stephen, The HTML is culprit. Please note for the future tests that we have opensuse-test@opensuse.org for testing purposes. Have a fun. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 14:29 -0800, StephenW wrote:
This is an attempt to anser the problem of sending to the list - I keep getting denied posting. This is written with the HTML option disabled.
Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:31, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
Why not? Typographic variation is an age-old aspect of textual expression. There's no good reason to eschew it. Why should we be stuck in the 1970s when it comes to written, on-line communication? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 22:45 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:31, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
Why not? Typographic variation is an age-old aspect of textual expression. There's no good reason to eschew it. Why should we be stuck in the 1970s when it comes to written, on-line communication?
Randall Schulz
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I bit bucket HTML e-mails coming into this account as soon as I see them, unread. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-01-05 at 01:55 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I bit bucket HTML e-mails coming into this account as soon as I see them, unread.
That's an overkill. I agree that sending html to this list (and many lists) is a no-no, but I certainly don't go as far as banning html emails from friends. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFnjjAtTMYHG2NR9URAmHlAJ9M/zJTiilakJQ2CzY6EdkqrW2ZLwCgkW+Z ZmuxSh8JbnvxWI2HEYGBkTM= =Q1/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 12:38 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Friday 2007-01-05 at 01:55 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I bit bucket HTML e-mails coming into this account as soon as I see them, unread.
That's an overkill.
Not to mention poorly phrased. :/
I agree that sending html to this list (and many lists) is a no-no, but I certainly don't go as far as banning html emails from friends.
So many lists so little time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:55:42AM -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I bit bucket HTML e-mails coming into this account as soon as I see them, unread.
I do too. I figure if someone is clueless enough to send HTML mail, the content is unlikely to be of interest to me. -- If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." San Francisco, CA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Michael Nelson wrote:
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:55:42AM -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I bit bucket HTML e-mails coming into this account as soon as I see them, unread.
I do too. I figure if someone is clueless enough to send HTML mail, the content is unlikely to be of interest to me.
And what have you got against Viagra? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 14:55 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Michael Nelson wrote:
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 01:55:42AM -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I bit bucket HTML e-mails coming into this account as soon as I see them, unread.
I do too. I figure if someone is clueless enough to send HTML mail, the content is unlikely to be of interest to me.
And what have you got against Viagra? ;-)
Cialis is cheaper? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:31, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
Why not? Typographic variation is an age-old aspect of textual expression. There's no good reason to eschew it. Why should we be stuck in the 1970s when it comes to written, on-line communication?
Because HTML are not readable in digests, mixed with plain text. Because people writing HTML email makes assumptions about the facilities available at the receiver -- namely, that the typographical variation can be seen there. This means that the introduction "my comments are in red" are not meaningful if I read that email in a terminal window over a slow GPRS connection. Or in a black-and-white PDA. Because HTML emails tend to be much larger (again, not all of are on broadband all of the time). Because HTML emails can reference images and other stuff on the Internet, leading either to dial-ups and privacy intrusion or incomplete emails. Because HTML emails are a prevalent intrusion vector for attacks. Because HTML emails are slow-dog for many recipients who use Outlook. (Not that I use that, but I care for the recipients of my emails, too.) That's enough reasons to allow (i.e., whitelist) HTML emails only for communication partners that are important enough for other reasons to override these arguments. Emails are not a good representative of textual expression. In my opinion, they have also many attributes of oral exchanges; its informality not the least. And as with phone calls, I don't have colors to tag important words either. Plain text is sufficient to express yourself here. If it isn't, put more effort in it, it will pay back in getting better answers. My 0.03 EUR (inflation-adjusted), Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 January 2007 04:33, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:31, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
Why not? Typographic variation is an age-old aspect of textual expression. There's no good reason to eschew it. Why should we be stuck in the 1970s when it comes to written, on-line communication?
Because HTML are not readable in digests, mixed with plain text.
Fine. I'm not advocating it for every communication or in all venues.
Because people writing HTML email makes assumptions about the facilities available at the receiver -- namely, that the typographical variation can be seen there. This means that the introduction "my comments are in red" are not meaningful if I read that email in a terminal window over a slow GPRS connection. Or in a black-and-white PDA.
Yeah. It assumes they have an OS released within the last 5 years.
Because HTML emails tend to be much larger (again, not all of are on broadband all of the time).
Can you quantify that? 'Cause I don't believe that a few font variations have a significant bloating effect on message body size.
Because HTML emails can reference images and other stuff on the Internet, leading either to dial-ups and privacy intrusion or incomplete emails.
Then don't allow them to be displayed in the client. I set KMail's HTML options (it has two: whether or not to interpret HTML and if it does, whether or not to fetch external resources) on a per-folder basis. Some newsletters I get are (at my option) sent in HTML form and may include images. Since I trust the sender, I enable full rendering. In other cases, I may allow HTML interpretation without image fetching. In my junk mail folder, I turn off both, though frankly there's no case when interpreting the HTML without fetching external resources is a risk. That's enough to be safe from the more nefarious uses of HTML email.
Because HTML emails are a prevalent intrusion vector for attacks.
Only for naive clients and users. And for naively written software and clueless users, there are other worse vectors.
Because HTML emails are slow-dog for many recipients who use Outlook. (Not that I use that, but I care for the recipients of my emails, too.)
I suppose you mean "dog slow." I don't know why that would be, since every HTML-capable email client I know just uses the same HTML rendering component used by other applications. (Eudora on Windows has the option to use its built-in HTML renderer or the system one.)
That's enough reasons to allow (i.e., whitelist) HTML emails only for communication partners that are important enough for other reasons to override these arguments.
That's confusing enough that I'm not sure what you're saying. But again, I didn't advocate universal use of HTML, I objected to a categorical prohibition.
Emails are not a good representative of textual expression. In my opinion, they have also many attributes of oral exchanges; its informality not the least. And as with phone calls, I don't have colors to tag important words either.
Oral communication has other ways of indicating emphasis. *Asterisks*, _underscores_ and /slashes/ are stupid, feeble, ugly substitutes for real typographic controls.
Plain text is sufficient to express yourself here. If it isn't, put more effort in it, it will pay back in getting better answers.
Here, maybe. (Maybe not.) The statement to which I objected was:
Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
This statement is much too sweeping. Personal communications is even more likely to call for styled text.
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Joachim
Avoiding and denying styled text in email is sheer Ludditism. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007/01/05 07:11 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:
On Friday 05 January 2007 04:33, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Because HTML emails tend to be much larger (again, not all of are on broadband all of the time).
Can you quantify that? 'Cause I don't believe that a few font variations have a significant bloating effect on message body size.
You can answer that yourself by viewing source on an outhouse excess message. They are sent as multipart mime, which means there are two copies of the actual content, plus the multipart overhead, plus the actual HTML markup, which can be considerable, plus the common malware binary attachment. -- "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John 10:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 January 2007 07:32, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/01/05 07:11 (GMT-0800) Randall R Schulz apparently typed:
On Friday 05 January 2007 04:33, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Because HTML emails tend to be much larger (again, not all of are on broadband all of the time).
Can you quantify that? 'Cause I don't believe that a few font variations have a significant bloating effect on message body size.
You can answer that yourself by viewing source on an outhouse excess message. They are sent as multipart mime, which means there are two copies of the actual content, plus the multipart overhead, plus the actual HTML markup, which can be considerable, plus the common malware binary attachment.
This is a straw-man argument, and hence a fallacy. I'm not advocating markup-laden messages. I'm not advocating using bad software (and Outlook is bad software--clearly if your opinion of it is such that you'd call it "outhouse," then you're not using it, so it's not even relevant). I'm just maintaining that simple typographic variation is something we should be able to use in email communication. Since the whole point is that on a message-by-message and recipient-by-recipient basis styled email is a good thing, you can choose whether to send both the plain and styled forms (if your mail client is any good). And why on earth would you send someone malware? I say, "HTML mail is OK." And everyone hears "Use all HTML, all the time in every venue and with the worst of all possible characteristics, including malware attachments." Please don't impute your own prejudices into my argument. Remember, the statement to which I objected is this:
Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
Do you seriously think I'm advocating sending people with whom you communicate directly malware attachments and email that is so laden with markup that its two or three times as big as the plain text content it bears? I am not.
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Felix Miata
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Randall R Schulz wrote:
I say, "HTML mail is OK."
I say, ban all HTML in e-mail messages. Everyone who agrees, raise your arm. Everyone who disagrees, raise both arms. Then count and enforce the result... ;-) -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
I say, "HTML mail is OK."
I say, ban all HTML in e-mail messages.
Everyone who agrees, raise your arm. Everyone who disagrees, raise both arms. Then count and enforce the result... ;-)
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;) While we are at it, let me ask, why in plain text messages several spaces ( ) are displayed as one? When I send letter as plain text my signature screws up, displaying not DNA there at all. I should mention that signature is HTML file, which I attach in Thunderbird as my signature? I see you guys don't have such a problems with it, so what is the good way of creating "ordered" signature? Best, Sergey -- A----T Sergey Mkrtchyan, C---G Master Student, G-C Department Of Molecular Physics, T---A Faculty Of Physics, Yerevan State University A----T e-mail: mksergey[at]freenet[dot]am G---C ____________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
I say, "HTML mail is OK."
I say, ban all HTML in e-mail messages.
Everyone who agrees, raise your arm. Everyone who disagrees, raise both arms. Then count and enforce the result... ;-)
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;)
Note that you can send images without using HTML. Just make references to the attached images if necessary. There are also document formats you can use for this that will serve your content better.
While we are at it, let me ask, why in plain text messages several spaces ( ) are displayed as one? When I send letter as plain text my signature screws up, displaying not DNA there at all.
I should mention that signature is HTML file, which I attach in Thunderbird as my signature?
See, HTML is evil. Read this, then correct your "signature": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block
I see you guys don't have such a problems with it, so what is the good way of creating "ordered" signature?
Pure text. E-mail is for messages. :-) -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-01-05 at 15:46 -0500, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;)
Note that you can send images without using HTML. Just make references to the attached images if necessary. There are also document formats you can use for this that will serve your content better.
With html the image is shown inserted in the right place in the text flow. With plain text he would be forced to look it up. This is comparable to having books with the images printed in a separata in the middle of the book, because the printing machine can't handle it. Web sites use html. Nobody tells them to use plain text. Html is not evil per se. Use of html by evil people can be evil. That's different. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFnvVCtTMYHG2NR9URAnP0AJ9cYHCp/QA1KxdaMu/TO3aAXj1AGACeJJgX A1P3ip0qZ1jWRTWpWa8bFXY= =MWFP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Friday 2007-01-05 at 15:46 -0500, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;) Note that you can send images without using HTML. Just make references to the attached images if necessary. There are also document formats you can use for this that will serve your content better.
With html the image is shown inserted in the right place in the text flow. With plain text he would be forced to look it up. This is comparable to having books with the images printed in a separata in the middle of the book, because the printing machine can't handle it.
I know, that is why I said he can make a reference to the image (like what is frequently done in both magazines and books), or use a separate document that is either attached to the message or referenced via a URL for example. The latter is better if it has to be an inline image that is directly next to the associated text. Otherwise the "connect the dots" solution is often good enough IMO.
Web sites use html. Nobody tells them to use plain text. Html is not evil per se.
Agree.
Use of html by evil people can be evil. That's different.
Use of HTML in e-mail is evil (at least on a mailing list), no matter whether the person is evil or not. Well, that is my opinion. ;-) Most people probably don't care or disagree, and I am fine with that. We don't all have to agree (or disagree). I just voiced my opinion when someone voiced theirs. If you can't express yourself in pure text, then I don't want to see how you express yourself with HTML --at least not in an e-mail... ;-) I have to admit I receive regular e-mails in HTML too, by choice. Some content is more about presentation than the message, but to me it feels more like one of those things that was made because it was possible and not because it should be done. HTML messages are an excellent feed for spam filters though, maybe more useful for that than for "artistic expressions". Maybe too much are shoe-horned into the old Internet e-mail standards to be backwards compatible. Wonder if we're ever going to see something like a new generation of e-mail standards that goes beyond what is in SMTP/ESMTP and associated standards today. -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-01-05 at 21:06 -0500, Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:
Note that you can send images without using HTML. Just make references to the attached images if necessary. There are also document formats you can use for this that will serve your content better.
With html the image is shown inserted in the right place in the text flow. With plain text he would be forced to look it up. This is comparable to having books with the images printed in a separata in the middle of the book, because the printing machine can't handle it.
I know, that is why I said he can make a reference to the image (like what is frequently done in both magazines and books), or use a separate document that is either attached to the message or referenced via a URL for example. The latter is better if it has to be an inline image that is directly next to the associated text. Otherwise the "connect the dots" solution is often good enough IMO.
If someone needs to write emails with images inserted in the text, html is good enough for that use. Not the only solution, but it is one of the possible solutions. It is also nice for newsletters and circulars. It is just another resource, another tool that can be used and can be abused. That's the problem. For instance, I receive some "commercial" emails that I have to glance at. What I strongly dislike is that often they refer to external images: they break my privacy, they can know when and whether I read them. So my reader is set not to load them unless I tell it to. On the other hand, loading external images has an advantage for both sides: they are not sent to everybody, and thus it saves resources to both. As often, it is not the tool that is "evil", but the use some make of it. And also very often, "evil" is too strong a word. Misguided users mostly.
Web sites use html. Nobody tells them to use plain text. Html is not evil per se.
Agree.
Use of html by evil people can be evil. That's different.
Use of HTML in e-mail is evil (at least on a mailing list), no matter whether the person is evil or not. Well, that is my opinion. ;-)
I wouldn't say evil, but very "improper". Solution is simple: if the mail contains a text part, let the text part through, discard the html. The old suse list server did that. If it is html only, reject it giving an explanation. The user may not even know he is using html. I know because many gmail users were not aware they were sending html to the list till the new opensuse server took over the old suse server. I consider evil use of html, for instance, phising. That's evil. They are trying to lure somebody and steal his money. They intend real damage to somebody. Hey, somebody sent last Monday an attachment to this list sized 258KB. Did you see it? It contains images. Last November there was a half a megabyte email, a log and an OOo file. That's also very improper in my book. Some people are paying metered connections. They should have uploaded the files somewhere and posted the link. Others send a "me too" line leaving intact 64 Kbytes of quoted email. That's also improper. Evil? That's to strong a word :-)
Most people probably don't care or disagree, and I am fine with that. We don't all have to agree (or disagree). I just voiced my opinion when someone voiced theirs.
Ok :-)
If you can't express yourself in pure text, then I don't want to see how you express yourself with HTML --at least not in an e-mail... ;-)
There is usually no need to use html. There may be, but not here. Although... perhaps a subset allowing some typographic control would be nice (emphasis, underline...). But impossible to agree on such an standard by now, I suppose.
I have to admit I receive regular e-mails in HTML too, by choice. Some content is more about presentation than the message, but to me it feels more like one of those things that was made because it was possible and not because it should be done.
Yes, too often.
HTML messages are an excellent feed for spam filters though, maybe more useful for that than for "artistic expressions".
True as well. But you know, most of the spam I receive now days contain the "payload" in an image or photo. The plain text or html content is random.
Maybe too much are shoe-horned into the old Internet e-mail standards to be backwards compatible. Wonder if we're ever going to see something like a new generation of e-mail standards that goes beyond what is in SMTP/ESMTP and associated standards today.
Who knows :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFnximtTMYHG2NR9URAsxzAJ9HG9d4eKDcOdDWzZdQQ/qaTH/mQQCfSG1K 7mKBFBaLTkOgAdCu9zJaLwg= =at4p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 January 2007 20:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Web sites use html. Nobody tells them to use plain text. Html is not evil per se. Use of html by evil people can be evil. That's different.
You might be right.... However.... When they switched over to opensuse as a mail server from the old suse-linux-e, the first thing that struck me was one person sending html's to the list. I don't recall what struck me as offensive the way he was doing it and I *do* receive a lot of html mail from others not on the list. But this particular person was offensive and it caused me to make up a rule to delete all html coming to this list. So it depends.... but it certainly can be offensive. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-01-05 at 21:11 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Friday 05 January 2007 20:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Web sites use html. Nobody tells them to use plain text. Html is not evil per se. Use of html by evil people can be evil. That's different.
You might be right.... However....
When they switched over to opensuse as a mail server from the old suse-linux-e, the first thing that struck me was one person sending html's to
That's different. I don't like html on lists, specially on suse lists, and I like that the server has a rule banning them: I missed that and I also noticed those emails coming to the list. That's very different from banning all html emails I receive. In fact, my spamassassing gives them some decipoints ;-)
the list. I don't recall what struck me as offensive the way he was doing it and I *do* receive a lot of html mail from others not on the list. But this particular person was offensive and it caused me to make up a rule to delete all html coming to this list.
So it depends.... but it certainly can be offensive.
We are biased. I certainly become suspicious when I get an html email, and more so it is only html. But I decide on each one, I don't bann them. After all, I use Pine for my email... html doesn't harm me ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFnxAstTMYHG2NR9URAuhrAJ0YVKM0S6Ox8z0L+sQ27MjpvQNWOwCcDkVY mqQ7zqcO1fTS+0lzMG91ALQ= =EzWU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Geir A. Myrestrand wrote:
Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;)
Note that you can send images without using HTML. Just make references to the attached images if necessary. There are also document formats you can use for this that will serve your content better.
I've tried... that is too boring, imagine several pages long calculations, and you have to explain in your mail why on the last page in the last line there should be "-", instead of "+". You have to refer form one image to another and then explain how these both interfere with your third image.
Read this, then correct your "signature": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block
I read it, thank you, but that didn't answer my question. So what should I do, create a *.txt file with my signature and using Thunderbird (Tools->Account Settings -> Attach This Signature) attach it. I think I've done it and that didn't preserve my signature as it is in txt file. My question is: How you create your signatures, and use them in Thunderbird(and under Windows, can't use KSig and KMail, sorry...)., Is it an external file with what extension? Best, Sergey -- A----T Sergey Mkrtchyan, C---G Master Student, G-C Department Of Molecular Physics, T---A Faculty Of Physics, Yerevan State University A----T e-mail: mksergey[at]freenet[dot]am G---C web: http://users.freenet.am/~mksergey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-01-06 at 12:24 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Read this, then correct your "signature": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block
I read it, thank you, but that didn't answer my question. So what should I do, create a *.txt file with my signature and using Thunderbird (Tools->Account Settings -> Attach This Signature) attach it. I think I've done it and that didn't preserve my signature as it is in txt file.
You can have several diferent signatures for your different profiles (Thunderbird calls them "identities"), based on the "from" address, mostly. You need to create a plain ascii signature, there is no alternative. That is, use a plain text signature for your plain text emails, and an html sig for your html emails. Two diferent signatures. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFn5I+tTMYHG2NR9URAoS7AKCL7yCT67ka4H0fcZKMNXb9WJwxswCgjb4+ C6rz3BaFa3WEHWPuTAjxYss= =4NO7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-01-05 at 23:42 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I say, ban all HTML in e-mail messages.
Mmmm.... what about freedom of choice?
Everyone who agrees, raise your arm. Everyone who disagrees, raise both arms. Then count and enforce the result... ;-)
Why enforce?
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;)
Good enough reason, for you :-) I use plain text for lists, it saves many bytes. I reserve html for special needs. I don't see it as evil, just often unneceasry.
While we are at it, let me ask, why in plain text messages several spaces ( ) are displayed as one? When I send letter as plain text my signature screws up, displaying not DNA there at all.
I should mention that signature is HTML file, which I attach in Thunderbird as my signature?
You need to create a diferent signature in plain text. Use a diferent profile for the list, which uses plain text and sig. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFnvaNtTMYHG2NR9URAprAAKCLzBjZN3HfexXe6jm5GEBX9GG/TQCfRsgO VoCTkE2nTMIu2KEgbv6txgw= =pv9K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007/01/06 02:08 (GMT+0100) Carlos E. R. apparently typed:
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The Friday 2007-01-05 at 23:42 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I say, ban all HTML in e-mail messages.
Mmmm.... what about freedom of choice?
Exactly how does one choose to never receive any HTML email, or for that matter, never to receive email littered with useless PGP junk to a mailing list? -- "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John 10:10 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 January 2007 17:15, Felix Miata wrote:
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Exactly how does one choose to never receive any HTML email, or for that matter, never to receive email littered with useless PGP junk to a mailing list?
I suppose that whatever it is, it's the same way I would choose not to receive useless and offensive bible quotations via a mailing list.
... Felix Miata
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On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 05:45:53PM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I suppose that whatever it is, it's the same way I would choose not to receive useless and offensive bible quotations via a mailing list.
Please sign me up for that one! -- If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." San Francisco, CA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Michael Nelson wrote:
On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 05:45:53PM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I suppose that whatever it is, it's the same way I would choose not to receive useless and offensive bible quotations via a mailing list.
Please sign me up for that one!
And me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Friday 2007-01-05 at 23:42 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
I say, ban all HTML in e-mail messages.
Mmmm.... what about freedom of choice?
Everyone who agrees, raise your arm. Everyone who disagrees, raise both arms. Then count and enforce the result... ;-)
Why enforce?
So we can exterminate HTML e-mail messages... ;-) -- Geir A. Myrestrand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I send and receive lots of e-mails which contain equations. I just prepare them using any equation editor and paste them as pictures in my HTML e-mail. So I raise my both hands ;)
Good enough reason, for you :-)
Paifull way of working on the other sides of the planet. Friend, who I'm working with, each time makes that all calculations by hand then scan it and send it to me as pdf. Slow process...
I use plain text for lists, it saves many bytes. I reserve html for special needs. I don't see it as evil, just often unneceasry.
While we are at it, let me ask, why in plain text messages several spaces ( ) are displayed as one? When I send letter as plain text my signature screws up, displaying not DNA there at all.
I should mention that signature is HTML file, which I attach in Thunderbird as my signature?
You need to create a diferent signature in plain text. Use a diferent profile for the list, which uses plain text and sig.
I've configured TB in a way that it sends to this list only plain text messages. The question actually was how to create a signature in plain text. How it is usually done? (newbie, maybe) Best, Sergey -- A----T Sergey Mkrtchyan, C---G Master Student, G-C Department Of Molecular Physics, T---A Faculty Of Physics, Yerevan State University A----T e-mail: mksergey[at]freenet[dot]am G---C ____________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-01-06 at 12:42 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Good enough reason, for you :-)
Paifull way of working on the other sides of the planet. Friend, who I'm working with, each time makes that all calculations by hand then scan it and send it to me as pdf. Slow process...
He could use a graphic format as png. Ah, have a look at the djvu format: it is designed for scanned material, not as pdf. The problem is creation, not simple.
You need to create a diferent signature in plain text. Use a diferent profile for the list, which uses plain text and sig.
I've configured TB in a way that it sends to this list only plain text messages. The question actually was how to create a signature in plain text. How it is usually done? (newbie, maybe)
By hand, not program. There are some ascii art programs around, but I haven't tried. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFn5MxtTMYHG2NR9URAm7CAKCHNLz+HAbFv++JTerm9p+Qexl4cwCgk5d4 FlJuaNxKBl6C0gSSZuggbKU= =i1a7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Carlos! Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-01-06 at 12:42 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Paifull way of working on the other sides of the planet. Friend, who I'm working with, each time makes that all calculations by hand then scan it and send it to me as pdf. Slow process...
He could use a graphic format as png. Ah, have a look at the djvu format: it is designed for scanned material, not as pdf. The problem is creation, not simple.
Will drop that idea to him ;) I guess he has configured his scanner to produce pdf automatically, not sure though.
You need to create a diferent signature in plain text. Use a diferent profile for the list, which uses plain text and sig. I've configured TB in a way that it sends to this list only plain text messages. The question actually was how to create a signature in plain text. How it is usually done? (newbie, maybe)
By hand, not program. There are some ascii art programs around, but I haven't tried.
Ok, I've already regitered to opensuse-test list ;), now playing there with it. Seems that problem is in my mail provider web-page, not general one. By the way, I liked "identities" in TB very much. Didn't know about them before. Good thing. Thank you very much again. Sergey -- A----T Sergey Mkrtchyan, C---G Master Student, G-C Department Of Molecular Physics, T---A Faculty Of Physics, Yerevan State University A----T e-mail: mksergey[at]freenet[dot]am G---C web: http://users.freenet.am/~mksergey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-01-07 at 00:21 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
He could use a graphic format as png. Ah, have a look at the djvu format: it is designed for scanned material, not as pdf. The problem is creation, not simple.
Will drop that idea to him ;) I guess he has configured his scanner to produce pdf automatically, not sure though.
Ah, yes, some scanner programs (specially in windows) produce pdf output directly, making them simple to generate. maybe it is possible to do the same in Linux. The djvu format is very interesting, it produces small files out of scanned material with much better readability. The strong disadvantage is that generating them is not easy. Programs like "The Gimp" can not create them, not even load them. The only way in Linux to create them is by command line, and not a simple one. Konqueror can not display it. There are plugins for Firefox and Iexplorer, though.
Ok, I've already regitered to opensuse-test list ;), now playing there with it. Seems that problem is in my mail provider web-page, not general one.
By the way, I liked "identities" in TB very much. Didn't know about them before. Good thing.
It's a new feature; I discovered it about two months ago. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFoCfvtTMYHG2NR9URAkZ7AJ9Qv3QFuUGPtOr2HMWAhIxzSYQAAACdGMq2 Q6IkER865BhzNzUi7oeL1wk= =5SXZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 23:51 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2007-01-07 at 00:21 +0400, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
He could use a graphic format as png. Ah, have a look at the djvu format: it is designed for scanned material, not as pdf. The problem is creation, not simple.
Will drop that idea to him ;) I guess he has configured his scanner to produce pdf automatically, not sure though.
Ah, yes, some scanner programs (specially in windows) produce pdf output directly, making them simple to generate. maybe it is possible to do the same in Linux.
It is possible using the latest versions of xsane. It allows you to automatically save the doc to a file and pdf is one of the formats supported. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-01-06 at 18:11 -0500, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
It is possible using the latest versions of xsane. It allows you to automatically save the doc to a file and pdf is one of the formats supported.
You are right, the version in 10.1 does that. I don't see it because I call xsane from inside the Gimp, and the options are slightly diferent (no save menu). Still, no djvu. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFoDaktTMYHG2NR9URAtzgAJ9Wg+S5ZXxJTGnGtyZyp4yCDkyYRQCgl0I5 R+pWRZbFBJ5lg6aX+hAMcU8= =oQhP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Ah, yes, some scanner programs (specially in windows) produce pdf output directly, making them simple to generate. maybe it is possible to do the same in Linux.
xsane >= 0.98 can do single page pdf. xsane >= 0.99 can do multi-paged pdf prjects. Charles -- printk(KERN_CRIT PFX "Reboot didn't ?????\n"); linux-2.6.6/drivers/char/watchdog/softdog.c
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Thursday 04 January 2007 22:31, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Please don't ever send someone or anyone you might like, HTML e-mail.
Why not? Typographic variation is an age-old aspect of textual expression. There's no good reason to eschew it. Why should we be stuck in the 1970s when it comes to written, on-line communication?
I include a company logo on my work email. The only way to do that, is HTML. However, I've got my address book configured so that HTML does not go to the lists I subscribe to. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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