Hi, I set up my SuSE machine to print on the company's NT server printer but I was wondering if there is a way to cancel a job once it is no longer on the Linux box and it is waiting in the NT queue? Thanks, Avi -- Avi Schwartz Get a Life avi@CFFtechnologies.com Get Linux -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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If it weren't unethical, I'd refer you to my company's web sight. :) Right now we're experiencing *fantastic* growth in the industry as far as hardware that runs with Linux. Some things, like ultra-mega-mondo-sound sound cards need commercial support (OSS), but you can pretty much buy what you want, so long as you keep the hardware name-brand. All x86 processors work (I personally don't like Cyrix processors, but that's personal); 3Dfx, nVidia, and Matrox video cards are pretty well-supported (stay away from *new* S3 an ATi chipsets for a few months); Creative Soundcards are good with few exceptions; NIC's are easy; Avoid PCI modems. For specifics, check http://sdb.suse.de, but it doesn't even show everything that's known to work :). -- -=|JP|=- (Resident GNUbie) Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-241-2641 On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, John Gilger wrote:
One of my goals for the next year is to build a new box from scratch.
What is your opinion about the "best" hardware for a SuSE work station?
Thanks,
John
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John Gilger wrote:
One of my goals for the next year is to build a new box from scratch.
What is your opinion about the "best" hardware for a SuSE work station?
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box. Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak. -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, you wrote:
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course, "IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs. I know I'll buy Opera when it proves to be worth the money, but it needs to be noticably better than Netscape for browsing. I use Kmail & Knews, so I only need or want a browser that works well. joe -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, joe lerch wrote:
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:31:56 -0500 From: joe lerch <jljr@pa.net> To: suse-linux-e <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Subject: [SLE] Opera vs Netscape (was Ideal box for SuSE?)
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, you wrote:
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course, "IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs.
I know I'll buy Opera when it proves to be worth the money, but it needs to be noticably better than Netscape for browsing. I use Kmail & Knews, so I only need or want a browser that works well.
Mozilla should be ready by then too, albeit I'd spend the $40 for Opera if I thought it might be better. Lord knows AOL's trashed Netscape. Hell, I'd even try Internet Explorer on Linux, but pigs will fly over a frozen Hell first. -- Ed Craig epcraig@efn.org Taxi Linux FreeBSD Think this through with me, let me know your mind... Hunter/Garcia -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I'd even try Internet Explorer on Linux,
I wouldnt. btw - The opera www site reckons before xmas for a linux release ie - march ;-) i dont like opera ; Its very Windoze - overcomplexity AND blandness at the same time. I really want Mozilla to work out - at least it isnt bland :-) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
joe lerch wrote:
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course, "IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs.
When I saw the notice of Opera/Linux I went and got the Win/98 version. It's damn fast. Maybe too fast-) BUT it has trouble rendering some pages. One page that gives Netscape some problems is totally useless with Opera-( If it's stable and can render all the pages I need I'll buy it too. The added speed would be a nice bonus. Nick -- -------------------------------------------------- Nick Zentena "Microsoft has unjustifiably jeopardized the stability and security of the operating system." U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson Nov 5/1999 -------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
<rant> I maintain webpages for my department. Nothing fancy; mostly information for students. I try to be sure all our pages are viewable with ANY browser. Why? The purpose of putting the information on the web is to make it available to everyone. All the browsers have quirks, but they all work. If a page isn't viewable with a browser, it's the page designer who's at fault. </rant> On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Nick Zentena wrote:
joe lerch wrote:
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course, "IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs.
When I saw the notice of Opera/Linux I went and got the Win/98 version. It's damn fast. Maybe too fast-) BUT it has trouble rendering some pages. One page that gives Netscape some problems is totally useless with Opera-( If it's stable and can render all the pages I need I'll buy it too. The added speed would be a nice bonus.
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i been using opera on my winders system since like version 2.2.x and its improved alot since then and it is alot faster than nutscrape and internet exploder combined...and it will run off of a floppy disk and run on a 386 with 4 mb ram...for a winders proggie i would say this one resembles a *nix by the way it runs... and if ya use wine i believe the older releases of opera had a 100% success rate check out wine`s url and see for urself.. Nick Zentena wrote:
joe lerch wrote:
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course, "IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs.
When I saw the notice of Opera/Linux I went and got the Win/98 version. It's damn fast. Maybe too fast-) BUT it has trouble rendering some pages. One page that gives Netscape some problems is totally useless with Opera-( If it's stable and can render all the pages I need I'll buy it too. The added speed would be a nice bonus.
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To my great surprise, Opera did run under wine. If I'm connected to my ISP, it even downloads pages. Unfortunately, the pages don't display correctly. Makes me think I'll watch the continuing development of wine very closely. On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, steganos wrote:
i been using opera on my winders system since like version 2.2.x and its improved alot since then and it is alot faster than nutscrape and internet exploder combined...and it will run off of a floppy disk and run on a 386 with 4 mb ram...for a winders proggie i would say this one resembles a *nix by the way it runs... and if ya use wine i believe the older releases of opera had a 100% success rate check out wine`s url and see for urself..
Nick Zentena wrote:
joe lerch wrote:
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course, "IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs.
When I saw the notice of Opera/Linux I went and got the Win/98 version. It's damn fast. Maybe too fast-) BUT it has trouble rendering some pages. One page that gives Netscape some problems is totally useless with Opera-( If it's stable and can render all the pages I need I'll buy it too. The added speed would be a nice bonus.
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joe lerch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, you wrote:
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
OperaSoftware is really close to releasing their Opera for linux beta, hopfully a couple of months after that we will have a better browser than Netscape. Opera may cost a few dollars, but if it works well, it will be better than buying a second system because of problems with Netscape. Of course,
Who said anything about buying? I just picked up three 486's and a pentium this week for free. All of them had 16-32MB RAM. Scrounge. I also picked up three 3C509 ISA NICs for free. The best part about scrounging for old hardware is because of it's dirt-cheap price, you won't lose much on your investment. Of my kingdom of pentiums and 486's, the most expensive part of any of it is the $20 NIC's I bought.
"IF" can be a really big word sometimes, we need to ses how well Opera performs.
I know I'll buy Opera when it proves to be worth the money, but it needs to be noticably better than Netscape for browsing.
I would accept a slightly inferior product as long as it doesn't leak.
I use Kmail & Knews, so I only need or want a browser that works well.
joe
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Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
Surely killing off the Netscape process releases the memory? You shouldn't need to reboot a Linux box because of an errant application. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Derek Fountain wrote:
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
Surely killing off the Netscape process releases the memory? You shouldn't need to reboot a Linux box because of an errant application.
Nope. I tried that. It will release up to 30 MB, but another 30-60 MB is locked up. This is on a machine with 128 MB RAM, 64 MB swap. Making a larger swap won't fix the problem - it just makes it longer between reboots. -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
George Toft wrote:
Derek Fountain wrote:
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
Surely killing off the Netscape process releases the memory? You shouldn't need to reboot a Linux box because of an errant application.
Nope. I tried that. It will release up to 30 MB, but another 30-60 MB is locked up.
This is on a machine with 128 MB RAM, 64 MB swap. Making a larger swap won't fix the problem - it just makes it longer between reboots.
Here's what I'll do, just to see if anyone can point out the obvious. In about a week (since I rebooted a couple days ago), I'll do a ps aux, and a free, killall -9 netscape, then a ps aux and free. Then I'll reboot, and do it again, and post the results. -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Surely killing off the Netscape process releases the memory? You shouldn't need to reboot a Linux box because of an errant application.
Nope. I tried that. It will release up to 30 MB, but another 30-60 MB is locked up.
This is on a machine with 128 MB RAM, 64 MB swap. Making a larger swap won't fix the problem - it just makes it longer between reboots.
Here's what I'll do, just to see if anyone can point out the obvious. In about a week (since I rebooted a couple days ago), I'll do a ps aux, and a free, killall -9 netscape, then a ps aux and free. Then I'll reboot, and do it again, and post the results.
OK, but post your process table, not just the results of free. Something is hogging your memory, and the process table should show what it is. My suspicions would be XFree - X caches up images and other stuff - but it could be something else. If the kernel is really holding memory for a removed process the kernel hackers should hear about it, because that's a kernel bug which could be exploited as a DoS attack. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Derek Fountain wrote:
Surely killing off the Netscape process releases the memory? You shouldn't need to reboot a Linux box because of an errant application.
Nope. I tried that. It will release up to 30 MB, but another 30-60 MB is locked up.
This is on a machine with 128 MB RAM, 64 MB swap. Making a larger swap won't fix the problem - it just makes it longer between reboots.
Here's what I'll do, just to see if anyone can point out the obvious. In about a week (since I rebooted a couple days ago), I'll do a ps aux, and a free, killall -9 netscape, then a ps aux and free. Then I'll reboot, and do it again, and post the results.
OK, but post your process table, not just the results of free. Something is hogging your memory, and the process table should show what it is. My suspicions would be XFree - X caches up images and other stuff - but it could be something else.
If the kernel is really holding memory for a removed process the kernel hackers should hear about it, because that's a kernel bug which could be exploited as a DoS attack.
Will do! How do I list the process table? -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
OK, but post your process table, not just the results of free. Something is hogging your memory, and the process table should show what it is. My suspicions would be XFree - X caches up images and other stuff - but it could be something else.
If the kernel is really holding memory for a removed process the kernel hackers should hear about it, because that's a kernel bug which could be exploited as a DoS attack.
Will do! How do I list the process table?
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Derek Fountain wrote:
OK, but post your process table, not just the results of free. Something is hogging your memory, and the process table should show what it is. My suspicions would be XFree - X caches up images and other stuff - but it could be something else.
If the kernel is really holding memory for a removed process the kernel hackers should hear about it, because that's a kernel bug which could be exploited as a DoS attack.
Will do! How do I list the process table?
'ps auxww' will do. It shows how much memory processes are using.
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George Toft wrote:
Derek Fountain wrote:
OK, but post your process table, not just the results of free. Something is hogging your memory, and the process table should show what it is. My suspicions would be XFree - X caches up images and other stuff - but it could be something else.
If the kernel is really holding memory for a removed process the kernel hackers should hear about it, because that's a kernel bug which could be exploited as a DoS attack.
Will do! How do I list the process table?
'ps auxww' will do. It shows how much memory processes are using.
Thanks. It won't be long now.
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S Dec 19 0:04 xterm -font 9x15 -fg black -bg white bob 304 0.0 0.0 1964 0 p2 SW Dec 19 0:00 (bash) bob 688 0.0 1.0 3532 1368 ? S Dec 19 0:07 xterm -font 9x15 -fg black -bg white bob 689 0.0 0.6 1996 792 p3 S Dec 19 0:00 bash bob 690 0.0 0.3 2980 488 ? S Dec 19 0:00 xterm -geometry 8x60+950+0 -title memory -e /home/bob/bin/memory bob 691 0.0 0.2 1628 284 p4 S Dec 19 0:00 sh /home/bob/bin/memory bob 3773 0.0 0.4 5068 620 ? S Dec 20 0:01 /opt/kde/bin/alarmd bob 4239 0.0 1.3 3960 1780 ? S Dec 20 0:02 xterm -T Telnet: oahu -e telnet oahu bob 4240 0.0 0.1 1408 148 p7 S Dec 20 0:01 telnet oahu bob 9060 0.0 2.3 3964 2964 ? S 09:47 0:09 xterm -T Telnet: molokai -e telnet molokai bob 9061 0.0 0.6 1408 788 p5 S 09:47 0:04 telnet molokai bob 12207 0.0 0.3 1024 384 p4 S 13:48 0:00 sleep 3600 root 1 0.0 0.0 272 56 ? S Dec 19 0:03 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:01 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (kpiod) root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:02 (kswapd) root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (md_thread) root 12 0.0 0.0 764 24 ? S Dec 19 0:00 update (bdflush) root 80 0.0 0.0 1012 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (rpc.ugidd) root 88 0.0 0.1 948 216 ? S Dec 19 0:03 /usr/sbin/syslogd root 92 0.0 0.1 1140 160 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd -c 1 root 108 0.0 0.0 1312 72 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd root 111 0.0 0.0 1336 80 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd root 123 0.0 0.0 824 44 S0 S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm -t ms -m /dev/mouse root 127 0.0 0.0 912 84 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd root 139 0.0 0.0 960 52 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd root 158 0.0 0.2 1388 364 ? S Dec 19 0:02 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D root 159 0.0 0.0 1244 60 ? S Dec 19 0:01 /usr/sbin/sshd root 161 0.0 0.0 768 0 2 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 162 0.0 0.0 768 0 3 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 163 0.0 0.0 768 0 4 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 164 0.0 0.0 768 0 5 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 165 0.0 0.0 768 0 6 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 166 0.0 0.0 1764 68 ? S Dec 19 0:00 (smbd) root 167 0.0 0.1 912 128 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron root 177 0.0 0.0 768 0 1 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 186 0.6 8.2 16828 10560 ? S Dec 19 30:12 /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwrapper :0 root 216 44.1 10.9 14680 13960 ? R N Dec 19 1919:45 ./setiathome -nice 19 root 284 49.3 10.7 13920 13744 ? R N Dec 19 2131:21 ./setiathome -nice 19 root 305 0.0 0.4 1924 604 p2 S Dec 19 0:00 -bash root 3224 0.0 0.6 3156 884 ? S Dec 20 0:07 /usr/sbin/smbd -D root 4706 0.0 0.7 2992 1000 ? S Dec 20 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D root 12273 0.0 0.4 956 540 p2 R 14:26 0:00 ps auxww ====================== After killing netscape ====================== total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 127972 81668 46304 12428 3444 27936 -/+ buffers/cache: 50288 77684 Swap: 68508 7816 60692 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND at 118 0.0 0.0 892 112 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd bin 76 0.0 0.0 816 112 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /sbin/portmap bob 173 0.0 0.0 1908 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (bash) bob 174 0.0 0.0 1648 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (startx) bob 175 0.0 0.0 1028 20 ? S Dec 19 0:00 tee /home/bob/.X.err bob 185 0.0 0.0 1964 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (xinit) bob 189 0.0 1.1 2208 1468 ? S Dec 19 0:33 /usr/X11R6/bin/icewm bob 196 0.0 1.3 3992 1716 ? S Dec 19 0:03 xterm -T Telnet: kahoolawe -e telnet kahoolawe bob 197 0.0 0.0 1408 108 p0 S Dec 19 0:01 telnet kahoolawe bob 303 0.0 1.1 3584 1452 ? S Dec 19 0:04 xterm -font 9x15 -fg black -bg white bob 304 0.0 0.0 1964 0 p2 SW Dec 19 0:00 (bash) bob 688 0.0 1.0 3532 1368 ? S Dec 19 0:07 xterm -font 9x15 -fg black -bg white bob 689 0.0 0.6 1996 792 p3 S Dec 19 0:00 bash bob 690 0.0 0.3 2980 488 ? S Dec 19 0:00 xterm -geometry 8x60+950+0 -title memory -e /home/bob/bin/memory bob 691 0.0 0.2 1628 284 p4 S Dec 19 0:00 sh /home/bob/bin/memory bob 3773 0.0 0.4 5068 620 ? S Dec 20 0:01 /opt/kde/bin/alarmd bob 4239 0.0 1.3 3960 1780 ? S Dec 20 0:02 xterm -T Telnet: oahu -e telnet oahu bob 4240 0.0 0.1 1408 148 p7 S Dec 20 0:01 telnet oahu bob 9060 0.0 2.3 3964 2964 ? S 09:47 0:09 xterm -T Telnet: molokai -e telnet molokai bob 9061 0.0 0.6 1408 788 p5 S 09:47 0:04 telnet molokai bob 12207 0.0 0.3 1024 384 p4 S 13:48 0:00 sleep 3600 root 1 0.0 0.0 272 56 ? S Dec 19 0:03 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:01 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (kpiod) root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:02 (kswapd) root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (md_thread) root 12 0.0 0.0 764 24 ? S Dec 19 0:00 update (bdflush) root 80 0.0 0.0 1012 0 ? SW Dec 19 0:00 (rpc.ugidd) root 88 0.0 0.1 948 216 ? S Dec 19 0:03 /usr/sbin/syslogd root 92 0.0 0.1 1140 160 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd -c 1 root 108 0.0 0.0 1312 72 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd root 111 0.0 0.0 1336 80 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd root 123 0.0 0.0 824 44 S0 S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm -t ms -m /dev/mouse root 127 0.0 0.0 912 84 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd root 139 0.0 0.0 960 52 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd root 158 0.0 0.2 1388 364 ? S Dec 19 0:02 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D root 159 0.0 0.0 1244 60 ? S Dec 19 0:01 /usr/sbin/sshd root 161 0.0 0.0 768 0 2 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 162 0.0 0.0 768 0 3 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 163 0.0 0.0 768 0 4 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 164 0.0 0.0 768 0 5 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 165 0.0 0.0 768 0 6 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 166 0.0 0.0 1764 68 ? S Dec 19 0:00 (smbd) root 167 0.0 0.1 912 128 ? S Dec 19 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron root 177 0.0 0.0 768 0 1 SW Dec 19 0:00 (mingetty) root 186 0.6 6.9 13948 8892 ? S Dec 19 30:14 /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwrapper :0 root 216 44.1 10.1 13652 12932 ? R N Dec 19 1920:30 ./setiathome -nice 19 root 284 49.3 9.9 12892 12716 ? R N Dec 19 2132:05 ./setiathome -nice 19 root 305 0.0 0.4 1924 604 p2 S Dec 19 0:00 -bash root 3224 0.0 0.6 3156 884 ? S Dec 20 0:07 /usr/sbin/smbd -D root 4706 0.0 0.7 2992 1000 ? S Dec 20 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D root 12281 0.0 0.4 956 540 p2 R 14:28 0:00 ps auxww ============ After reboot ============ total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 127972 107340 20632 37740 4464 45636 -/+ buffers/cache: 57240 70732 Swap: 68508 0 68508 USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND at 118 0.0 0.3 892 448 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd bin 76 0.0 0.2 816 360 ? S 14:27 0:00 /sbin/portmap bob 196 0.0 0.9 1896 1248 ? S 14:32 0:00 -bash bob 197 0.0 0.6 1648 864 ? S 14:32 0:00 sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx bob 198 0.0 0.3 1028 432 ? S 14:32 0:00 tee /home/bob/.X.err bob 208 0.0 0.5 1964 692 ? S 14:32 0:00 xinit /home/bob/.xinitrc -- bob 212 0.5 1.1 2152 1412 ? S 14:32 0:01 /usr/X11R6/bin/icewm bob 219 0.2 1.9 3540 2508 ? S 14:32 0:00 xterm -font 9x15 -fg black -bg white bob 220 0.0 1.0 1964 1284 p0 S 14:32 0:00 bash bob 221 0.0 1.4 2980 1844 ? S 14:32 0:00 xterm -geometry 8x60+950+0 -title memory -e /home/bob/bin/memory bob 222 0.0 0.6 1628 816 p1 S 14:32 0:00 sh /home/bob/bin/memory bob 226 0.0 0.3 1024 384 p1 S 14:32 0:00 sleep 3600 bob 231 3.3 10.7 18800 13740 ? S 14:33 0:07 /usr/local/bin/netscape bob 232 0.0 1.9 12808 2544 ? S 14:33 0:00 (dns helper) bob 244 0.6 2.2 3872 2836 ? S 14:34 0:01 xterm -T Telnet: oahu -e telnet oahu bob 245 0.0 0.6 1408 776 p2 S 14:34 0:00 telnet oahu bob 246 0.1 1.9 3584 2540 ? S 14:35 0:00 xterm -font 9x15 -fg black -bg white bob 247 0.0 1.0 1964 1280 p3 S 14:35 0:00 bash bob 254 0.1 2.2 3928 2864 ? S 14:35 0:00 xterm -T Telnet: molokai -e telnet molokai bob 255 0.0 0.6 1408 776 p4 S 14:35 0:00 telnet molokai bob 260 0.3 2.2 3928 2868 ? S 14:36 0:00 xterm -T Telnet: molokai -e telnet molokai bob 261 0.0 0.6 1408 776 p5 S 14:36 0:00 telnet molokai root 1 0.6 0.1 272 180 ? S 14:27 0:03 init [2] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 14:27 0:00 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 14:27 0:00 (kpiod) root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 14:27 0:00 (kswapd) root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 14:27 0:00 (md_thread) root 12 0.0 0.1 764 244 ? S 14:27 0:00 update (bdflush) root 80 0.0 0.3 1012 424 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.ugidd root 88 0.0 0.4 948 540 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslogd root 92 0.0 0.5 1140 736 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/klogd -c 1 root 108 0.0 0.5 1312 724 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd root 111 0.0 0.5 1336 724 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd root 123 0.0 0.3 836 424 S0 S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm -t ms -m /dev/mouse root 127 0.0 0.3 912 456 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd root 139 0.0 0.4 960 512 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd root 156 0.0 0.6 1388 772 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D root 159 0.0 0.4 1244 580 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd root 161 0.0 0.2 768 340 2 S 14:28 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2 root 162 0.0 0.2 768 340 3 S 14:28 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3 root 163 0.0 0.2 768 340 4 S 14:28 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4 root 164 0.0 0.2 768 340 5 S 14:28 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5 root 165 0.0 0.2 768 340 6 S 14:28 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6 root 166 0.0 0.5 1764 752 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D root 167 0.0 0.4 912 512 ? S 14:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron root 187 58.3 10.8 14480 13944 ? R N 14:30 3:47 ./setiathome -nice 19 root 194 45.5 10.6 13852 13648 ? R N 14:32 2:18 ./setiathome -nice 19 root 202 0.0 0.2 768 340 1 S 14:32 0:00 /sbin/mingetty --noclear tty1 root 209 3.4 6.0 11392 7752 ? S 14:32 0:09 /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwrapper :0 root 248 0.1 0.9 1904 1252 p3 S 14:35 0:00 -bash root 263 0.0 0.4 952 536 p3 R 14:37 0:00 ps auxww Any ideas? -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I'm sure this won't contribute anything besides confusion to the discussion but I've seen it before and it bugs me so I thought I'd ask. Shouldn't the sum of all the "SIZE" fields add up to the amount of memory allocated for all processes (assuming a "ps aux")? If yes, then it can never be more than phys mem + swap, right? So how come, assuming I have the math (via perl) right, ... George Toft said:
========= Initially =========
total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 127972 117336 10636 23564 3376 31756 -/+ buffers/cache: 82204 45768 Swap: 68508 57828 10680
USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
ums to 226224 97784 How can the SIZE of all processes be 226224k when mem+swap is only 127972 + 68508 = 196480k? (Is that right George?) What am I not understanding? Why does "ps" sometimes apparently show processes using up (as a group) more memory than is available? Anyway, wrt to George's question..
bob 198 1.0 31.4 91160 40228 ? S Dec 19 46:01 /usr/local/bin/netscape bob 199 0.0 0.1 12832 252 ? S Dec 19 0:01 (netscape)
103992 40480 .. is allocated to netscape-related processes, according to "ps". After killing off netscape a ps shows..
====================== After killing netscape ======================
total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 127972 81668 46304 12428 3444 27936 -/+ buffers/cache: 50288 77684 Swap: 68508 7816 60692
USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
ums to 117296 53580 IOW, 108928 57304 was freed up since the last "ps". Looks to me like you got back about 5M _more_ than you bargained for George! :) Perhaps this is mem for a shell spawned by the wm to run netscape? At least it seems "in the ballpark"; I don't see dozens of megabytes being lost here. Another example of my original question..
============ After reboot ============
total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 127972 107340 20632 37740 4464 45636 -/+ buffers/cache: 57240 70732 Swap: 68508 0 68508
USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
ums to 136628 90044 for all processes. Mem in use by all processes (the total of all SIZE fields, right?) according to "ps" is 136628k, which _should_ have caused some swap to be used, since there appears to be only ~128M available. But here "free" shows swap completely unused! And if swap is unused, how come RSS != SIZE?? What's going on? Apologies in advance for (further) perverting the thread. :) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
'ps auxww' will do. It shows how much memory processes are using.
Thanks. It won't be long now.
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[snip!] What do you perceive to be the problem? It all looks OK to me. Netscape is clearly hogging vast amounts of memory, but it all seems to be cleared out when you kill the process. You get a little back from X when you kill netscape as well. As someone else pointed out your setiathome processes are taking up 25MB between them, but presumably you knew this. After your reboot you've restarted netscape and it's usage looks normal again. Your Samba hasn't come in and your X hasn't started filling up it's caches so that's a bit smaller. It all looks OK to me. Have I forgotten what the question was? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Derek Fountain wrote:
'ps auxww' will do. It shows how much memory processes are using.
Thanks. It won't be long now.
========= Initially =========
[snip!]
What do you perceive to be the problem? It all looks OK to me. Netscape is clearly hogging vast amounts of memory, but it all seems to be cleared out when you kill the process. You get a little back from X when you kill netscape as well. As someone else pointed out your setiathome processes are taking up 25MB between them, but presumably you knew this.
After your reboot you've restarted netscape and it's usage looks normal again. Your Samba hasn't come in and your X hasn't started filling up it's caches so that's a bit smaller.
It all looks OK to me. Have I forgotten what the question was?
The question was why do I run out of swap in about a week? My most likely candidate is Netscape as the only other programs are xterms and setiathome. -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Netscape. George Toft wrote:
The question was why do I run out of swap in about a week? My most likely candidate is Netscape as the only other programs are xterms and setiathome.
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Netscape.
George Toft wrote:
The question was why do I run out of swap in about a week? My most
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On 22-Dec-99 George Toft wrote:
George Toft wrote:
Derek Fountain wrote:
Probably two computers: One that is Pentium II or III with 256M RAM and SCSI hard drives, and 100mbps NIC. The second computer would be a Pentium 200Mhz or so with 64 MB RAM and a 100 mbps NIC. Its sole purpose would be to run Netscape and export the display to your 256M RAM box.
Why such an obscure set up? When Netscape bleeds out all of the RAM, you can reboot just that one box and keep the other one up forever. I'm rebooting every 10 days or so because Netscape has a horrible memory leak.
Surely killing off the Netscape process releases the memory? You shouldn't need to reboot a Linux box because of an errant application.
Nope. I tried that. It will release up to 30 MB, but another 30-60 MB is locked up.
This is on a machine with 128 MB RAM, 64 MB swap. Making a larger swap won't fix the problem - it just makes it longer between reboots.
Here's what I'll do, just to see if anyone can point out the obvious. In about a week (since I rebooted a couple days ago), I'll do a ps aux, and a free, killall -9 netscape, then a ps aux and free. Then I'll reboot, and do it again, and post the results.
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How about simply killing (i.e. shutting down) the X session and then coming back in? I know that Netscape is buggy--I often have to kill Netscape processes. But on 32M RAM, 100M Swap, 166 MHz processor all seems to go okay for me. My system uptime is often days or weeks before I reboot for reasons other than memory leaks or stability. Mind you, I usually close my X session and logout between computer "uses". ----------------------------------- Arlen Carlson <adcarlson@iname.com> When you're not looking at it, this fortune is written in FORTRAN. This message was sent by XFmail (Linux) -o) /\\ _\_v The penguins are coming... the penguins are coming... ----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Some guy Eric Raymond wrote about this topic. "Building the Perfect Box: How to design your Linux workstation" can be found at: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/lj-howtobuild.html It is dated, though it has good advice. hth steve. ...and yeah. I know who Eric is :-) ------------------------------------------- Steven Pauly (281) 496-8041 Houston, Tx stevep@brokersys.com stevep@linux-shell.net SuSE Linux 2.2.13 (cp /dev/null microsoft) -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, John Gilger wrote:
One of my goals for the next year is to build a new box from scratch.
What is your opinion about the "best" hardware for a SuSE work station?
Thanks,
John
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