mail formatting test 2 - formatting removed
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Istvan Gabor composed on 2022-12-27 17:12 (UTC):
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Both your emails came through as identical twins, except for their second sentences. Formatted plain text follows (requires monospace text to preserve format):
inxi -SGMnaz --vs inxi 3.3.24-00 (2022-12-10) System: Kernel: 5.14.21-150400.24.33-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 parameters: root=LABEL=root08p775 ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 vga=791 video=1440x900@60 5 Desktop: KDE v: 3.5.10 tk: Qt v: 3.3.8c info: kicker wm: kwin vt: 7 dm: 1: KDM 2: XDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.4 Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: MSI model: B85-G41 PC Mate(MS-7850) v: 1.0 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: American Megatrends v: 2.9 date: 03/30/2015 Graphics: Device-1: Intel 4th Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 process: Intel 22nm built: 2013 ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: HDMI-A-2,VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:041e class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.3 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: intel dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 406x254mm (15.98x10.00") s-diag: 479mm (18.85") Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 model: Samsung SMS24A850 serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 518x324mm (20.39x12.76") diag: 611mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 720x400 API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 21.2.4 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4400 (HSW GT2) compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: e000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200 IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 31761568 9243788 5726940 933432 18183520 22517780 Swap: 0 0 0 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science.
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Istvan Gabor wrote:
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Still some spaces omitted, but only two I think. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 18:40:13 +0100 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Istvan Gabor wrote:
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Still some spaces omitted, but only two I think.
I'm not sure what you're looking at Per? Spaces being omitted is not the problem I'm seeing. A total lack of formatting is. In both messages.
From: Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 20:27:05 +0000 On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 18:40:13 +0100 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Istvan Gabor wrote:
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Still some spaces omitted, but only two I think.
I'm not sure what you're looking at Per? Spaces being omitted is not the problem I'm seeing. A total lack of formatting is. In both messages. I assume you're talking about the fact that the text/html version has two paragraphs whereas the text/plain version is run together into one? The HTML versions have two <div> blocks with a <br /> between them, which ought to have corresponded to a blank line in plain text. Further, the MUA apparently decided that two consecutive line breaks in the original text represented a paragraph break, but didn't bother to insert "<br />" for the single line breaks in the HTML versions, leading to the other major formatting difference between text/html and text/plain. And whatever formatting Istvan used in the first message had no effect at all. My MUA doesn't render HTML, so I thought I'd look under the hood; it also gives me opportunity to notice how badly other peoples' MUAs suck at this. -- Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/
Dave Howorth wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 18:40:13 +0100 Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Istvan Gabor wrote:
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Still some spaces omitted, but only two I think.
I'm not sure what you're looking at Per?
Spaces being omitted is not the problem I'm seeing. A total lack of formatting is. In both messages.
Hi Dave, I was only looking at the text version, i.e. what I quoted above. I see missing blanks in "removed.Lorem" and "nisi.Vestibulum". As if a line feed was not turned into a blank when the lines were reformatted. I realise I'm a bit late, but this sort of thing is really what the test list is for. :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <4a3dd870-889c-8ef1-e306-319357119081@Telcontar.valinor> On Tuesday, 2022-12-27 at 17:12 -0000, Istvan Gabor wrote:
This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text formatting removed.
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Proin orci mauris, dictum id justo vitae, tempus efficitur velit. Etiam a dictum lacus, et pharetra justo. Phasellus ut accumsan nisi.
Vestibulum lorem nisl, cursus non felis sed, iaculis consequat tortor. Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
Alpine can cope with it just fine, but I don't know why. It is probably using the html part. Thunderbird copes, because it uses the html version of your post. But the plain text part your MUA sends, sucks. Please change to another software. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCY6uCfxwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfV1vkAn14VibeqoW2m2gd6Q8FK fFm/+1BiAJ9O0kozIcPKyZ0AvJUV3bK50CnhiA== =HRIc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello, In the Message; Subject : mail formatting test 2 - formatting removed Message-ID : <A1KBUA.J6XZe8Zk3Fu.PNeDQL8JfSSbpqdknMfs@freemail.hu> Date & Time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 17:12:13 +0000 (GMT) [IG] == Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> has written: IG> This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text [...] IG> Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante IG> ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo. I think Istvan got a convincing result from this test mail. He is fluent in English, and I think we can assume that there is a good reason for him to go to the trouble of testing in Hungarian, don't you? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "A society bound by e-mail and mobile phones deprives us of the freedom to face ourselves and indulge our fantasies." -- Michael Crichton (Speech in Japan) --
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 12:20:06 +0900, Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> wrote:
In the Message; Date & Time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 17:12:13 +0000 (GMT) [IG] == Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> has written:
IG> This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text [...] IG> Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante IG> ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
I think Istvan got a convincing result from this test mail.
He is fluent in English, and I think we can assume that there is a good reason for him to go to the trouble of testing in Hungarian, don't you?
That's funny. :-) Thanks. (I hope it really is Latin, or else the joke's on me.) -- Robert Webb
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: mail formatting test 2 - formatting removed Message-ID : <76036226.4535184.1672199036498@mail.yahoo.com> Date & Time: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:43:56 +0000 (UTC) [RW] == Robert Webb <webbdg@verizon.net> has written: RW> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 12:20:06 +0900, Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> wrote: RW> > In the Message; RW> > Date & Time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 17:12:13 +0000 (GMT) RW> > [IG] == Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> has written: RW> > RW> > IG> This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text RW> > [...] RW> > IG> Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante RW> > IG> ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo. RW> > RW> > I think Istvan got a convincing result from this test mail. RW> > RW> > He is fluent in English, and I think we can assume that there is a RW> > good reason for him to go to the trouble of testing in Hungarian, RW> > don't you? RW> That's funny. :-) Thanks. RW> (I hope it really is Latin, or else the joke's on me.) He is only adopting Latin as a writing system for Hungarian, as many Hungarians do, and Hungarian itself is not a language of Latin origin. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ Think. -- The IBM slogan --
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 13:08:41 +0900, Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> wrote:
In the Message; Date & Time: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 03:43:56 +0000 (UTC) [RW] == Robert Webb <webbdg@verizon.net> has written:
RW> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 12:20:06 +0900, Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> wrote: RW> > In the Message; RW> > Date & Time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 17:12:13 +0000 (GMT) RW> > [IG] == Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> has written: RW> > RW> > IG> This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text RW> > [...] RW> > IG> Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante RW> > IG> ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo. RW> > RW> > I think Istvan got a convincing result from this test mail. RW> > RW> > He is fluent in English, and I think we can assume that there is a RW> > good reason for him to go to the trouble of testing in Hungarian, RW> > don't you?
RW> That's funny. :-) Thanks. RW> (I hope it really is Latin, or else the joke's on me.)
He is only adopting Latin as a writing system for Hungarian, as many Hungarians do, and Hungarian itself is not a language of Latin origin.
Dry is your wit, I admit. Or ... You're serious: In that case, seriously, I don't think Istvan's test text is Hungarian. Wikipedia says, "Hungarian is written using an expanded Latin alphabet" that includes letters with acute accents and umlauts.[1] The test text includes none of those. Google Translate could not translate it as Hungarian, but did translate it as Latin, although into partly nonsense English. Here is the result: The customer is very important, the customer will be followed by the customer. According to the medical doctor, it is said that just in life, time is made. Even from the said lake, and just a quiver. As a layer, except The web site is not a trigger, but a target. Sometimes there is no investment. Morbid sauce just not before the ullamcorper, or the sad salad is convenient. The part I like is the last phrase. Sometimes we may eat sad salads because they are convenient. Versions of that same pseudo-Latin text are used by graphic designers as dummy text to show page layout.[2] Very similar to Istvan's purpose, right? So, Istvan, did you use a 'Lorem ipsum generator', or copy-and-paste it from somewhere, or wing it with your own variation? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language#Writing_system [2] https://www.straightdope.com/21343427/what-does-the-filler-text-lorem-ipsum-... -- Robert Webb
Robert Webb wrote:
In that case, seriously, I don't think Istvan's test text is Hungarian.
Me neither, it is clearly auto-generated Latin, of the "lorem ipsum" ilk. Maybe it came from here: https://www.lipsum.com/feed/html -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: mail formatting test 2 - formatting removed Message-ID : <2005564161.4859320.1672217648867@mail.yahoo.com> Date & Time: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 08:54:08 +0000 (UTC) [RW] == Robert Webb <webbdg@verizon.net> has written: RW>>> That's funny. :-) Thanks. RW>>> (I hope it really is Latin, or else the joke's on me.) MN>> He is only adopting Latin as a writing system for Hungarian, as many MN>> Hungarians do, and Hungarian itself is not a language of Latin origin. RW> Dry is your wit, I admit. Or ... RW> You're serious: I'm so, so sorry. RW> In that case, seriously, I don't think Istvan's test text is Hungarian. [...] RW> text includes none of those. Google Translate could not translate RW> it as Hungarian, but did translate it as Latin, although into partly RW> nonsense English. I have a Latin-Japanese dictionary, so I took it off the shelf and looked it up, and found the corresponding word group. However, as you say, there are some words that I can't understand at all, so I asked Google and it gave me the following site; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum#cite_note-SDop-2 RW> Wikipedia says, "Hungarian is written using an expanded Latin alphabet" RW> that includes letters with acute accents and umlauts.[1] This is based on the spread of Christianity, and I have heard that the adoption of the Lovács script has spread rapidly in recent years. I had only heard about it, so I looked it up to see if I could watch it, and found out that current computers cannot display the Lovács script. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ " Today’s China is not the old China humiliated and bullied over 100 years ago. It is time for these people to wake up from their imperial dream." -- Hua Chunying’s Regular Press Conference on August 4, 2022 --
On 2022-12-28 04:20, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : mail formatting test 2 - formatting removed Message-ID : <A1KBUA.J6XZe8Zk3Fu.PNeDQL8JfSSbpqdknMfs@freemail.hu> Date & Time: Tue, 27 Dec 2022 17:12:13 +0000 (GMT)
[IG] == Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> has written:
IG> This is only a test message to see how the list shows it. Text [...] IG> Nulla vestibulum dignissim interdum. Morbi condimentum justo non ante IG> ullamcorper, vel tristique sem commodo.
I think Istvan got a convincing result from this test mail.
He is fluent in English, and I think we can assume that there is a good reason for him to go to the trouble of testing in Hungarian, don't you?
:-DDDD The "Lorem ipsum dolor... Vestibulum lorem nisl..." thing is a fictional text in Latin that is used as a nonsensical text for printing tests. Me, I use the starting sentence of El Quijote: En un lugar de la Mancha, de cuyo nombre no quiero acordarme, no ha mucho tiempo que vivía un hidalgo de los de lanza en astillero, adarga antigua, rocín flaco y galgo corredor. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum> In publishing and graphic design, Lorem ipsum is a placeholder text commonly used to demonstrate the visual form of a document or a typeface without relying on meaningful content. Lorem ipsum may be used as a placeholder before final copy is available. It is also used to temporarily replace text in a process called greeking, which allows designers to consider the form of a webpage or publication, without the meaning of the text influencing the design. Lorem ipsum is typically a corrupted version of De finibus bonorum et malorum, a 1st-century BC text by the Roman statesman and philosopher Cicero, with words altered, added, and removed to make it nonsensical and improper Latin. Versions of the Lorem ipsum text have been used in typesetting at least since the 1960s, when it was popularized by advertisements for Letraset transfer sheets.[1] Lorem ipsum was introduced to the digital world in the mid-1980s, when Aldus employed it in graphic and word-processing templates for its desktop publishing program PageMaker. Other popular word processors, including Pages and Microsoft Word, have since adopted Lorem ipsum,[2] as have many LaTeX packages,[3][4][5] web content managers such as Joomla! and WordPress, and CSS libraries such as Semantic UI.[6] -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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