hi Dominique, Thanks for quick reply. I am not an frequent-user of Linux and I am not sure how to check what is a FS of the external hard. what commad to use to check it out? with mount command I get: /dev/hda3 on / type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5) /dev/hda4 on /home type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda1 on /windows/C type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8) /dev/sda5 on /media/EXTERNAL type subfs (rw) usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) /dev/sda5 on /media/EXTERNAL type subfs (rw) /dev/sda5 on /media/EXTERNAL type subfs (rw) As far as I understand this is a result of trying to mounth with mount -t subfs /dev/sda5 /media/EXTERNAL 3 times. All tree times it was accomplished successfully (but a bit strangely because there was no message that the FS is already mounted when doing it second and third time). And 'rw' in parantheses tells me that the FS ir readable and writable. So why it does not work than? oliver On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On 26-01-2007 at 10:41, Vince Oliver wrote: Hi all,

I have Suse10. Recently I bought external HD (USB2.0 EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE for 3.5" IDE devices). After booting, this devices was mounted on /media/EXTERNAL and I could go inside this directory and each subdirectories. Trying to copy some files tu the HD I got this message "read-only". In the fstab file there was nothing abouth the new device so I put:

/dev/sda5 /media/EXTERNAL subfs defaults 0 0

but there is no change except the message now is "Permission denied (13)". I checked, and there is a permission to read, writeand execute on this directory. I was doing all this as SU. I do not really know how to make this functionable.

Could somebody help me with this?

thanks in advance oliver

Oliver,

What file system do you have on that external disc? Fat32, NTFS (that would be read only in any case) what is the output of 'mount' showing? The line in fstab should not be needed anymore. As you mentioned, the disc was also mounted without this line (which is correct).

Dominique

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Hi James, thanks for reply 'ordinary users' means what? Not root? oliver On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, James Knott wrote:

Vince Oliver wrote:

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Hi all,

I have Suse10. Recently I bought external HD (USB2.0 EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE for 3.5" IDE devices). After booting, this devices was mounted on /media/EXTERNAL and I could go inside this directory and each subdirectories. Trying to copy some files tu the HD I got this message "read-only". In the fstab file there was nothing abouth the new device so I put:

/dev/sda5 /media/EXTERNAL subfs defaults 0 0

but there is no change except the message now is "Permission denied (13)". I checked, and there is a permission to read, writeand execute on this directory. I was doing all this as SU. I do not really know how to make this functionable.

Could somebody help me with this?

IIRC, format types other than FAT are mounted read only for ordinary users.

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On Friday, January 26, 2007 @ 11:28 AM, Vince Oliver wrote:

Carlos,

It is:

/dev/sda5 on /media/EXTERNAL type subfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,sync,fs=ntfs,procuid,nls=utf8)

when trying to write somethingon it thisis the >message:

Read-only file system (30)

oliver

<snip> There's your answer -- "fs=ntfs". That means it's a Windows file system and can only be written to from Windows. Linux can only read it. If you need to be able to write to this device from Linux, you'll need to re-format the drive to a Linux type of file system (EXT3, Reiser, etc.). Greg Wallace -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

hi Michael, I installed fuse-2.6.1 and ntfs-3g-0.20070118-BETA smoothly. I also modified the fstab file like it is written in installation manual like: /dev/sda5 /media/EXTERNAL ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 After rebooting I tried to copy some file to the external HD but no success. I noticed this things: 1. writting mount I steel have: /dev/sda5 on /media/EXTERNAL type subfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,sync,fs=ntfs,procuid,nls=utf8) although All these were performed and fstab changed 2. when booting there is a failor like: fuse initialization (API version 7.1) failed I am bad administrator for Linux and not know what all these means but I will not give up for sure. Need some help and advices what to do. thanks oliver On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Catimimi wrote:

Greg Wallace a écrit :

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There's your answer -- "fs=ntfs". That means it's a Windows file system and can only be written to from Windows. Linux can only read it. If you need to be able to write to this device from Linux, you'll need to re-format the drive to a Linux type of file system (EXT3, Reiser, etc.).

or to install the packages "fuse" and "ntfs-3G" and you'll be able to write to a ntfs partition. I use that for months without error.

http://www.ntfs-3g.org/

Michel.

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Vince Oliver a écrit :

GREAT NEWS!!!!!

I unmounted and mounte like:

mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /media/EXTERNAL

end with this message:

WARNING: Old FUSE kernel module detected. This means, some driver features are not available (swap file on NTFS, boot from NTFS by LILO), and unmount is not safe unless you make sure the ntfs-3g process naturally terminates after calling 'umount'. The safe FUSE kernel driver is included in the official Linux kernels since version 2.6.20-rc1, or in the FUSE 2.6 software package. Please see the next page for more help: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#fuse26

it works.

Hello, Right now, I've not access to my linux box, but as far as I remember, I installed libfuse from the package of the SuSE 10.1 distro, I compiled the kernel with fuse support and it worked, don't forget to add "fuse" in the list of modules to load at boot. I don't remember to have observed conflicts with subfs. Michel. PS : another suggestion given in this thread was to use ext2/ext3 partitions and ext2fs anywhere in order to mount the partition in windows. I tried that but I got sometimes errors and furthermore files are not contiguous (up to 50%) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Vince Oliver a écrit :

how and where to add fuse to the list of modulus? Sorry, I am not 'smart' for Linux at all.

Again, I am not with my Linux box, open YaST2 -> System -> /etc/sysconfig file editor a new windows appear : System -> kernel -> MODULES_LOADED_ON_BOOT add fuse save and close. Don't forget to install the "fuse userspace file system" package from your distro. And more create a text file called /etc/fuse.conf which contains : user_allow_other if you want to be able to write as a single user. I hope that I forget nothing !! ALZHEIMER could be here ... Good luck. Michel. PS : I translated the YaST menu items from French, so it is perhaps not the exact terms. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Vince Oliver a écrit :

what is this "fuse userspace file system"? I shall wait you to be near Linux mashine and wait exact fileNames that I should install. Is it ok for you?

This is the fuse package from the SuSE distro. The package is called "fuse" The description is "userspace file system". Good luck. Michel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, January 26, 2007 @ 12:21 PM, Vince Oliver wrote:

thanks

to which FS to reformat to be writable in both Linux and windows?

oliver

Based on Michael Catamimi's note, all you need to do is install packages "fuse" and "ntfs-3G" and you can write to it from Linux. That would be easier than re-formatting the drive. Plus, if you really need to be able to write to it from Windows and Linux both, then if you re-format it, you'll need to get special software for Windows to be able to write to it from there (EXT2FS ANYYWHERE, etc.). Sounds like installing those two Linux packages is the way to go. Greg Wallace -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, January 26, 2007 @ 12:40 PM, Andre Oudsten wrote: Vince Oliver wrote: <snip>

I have a drive with vfat, so I can write to it from Linux and Windows.

Greetings,

Andre den Oudsten

Right. Still another option. There are limits to file sizes on vfat, but the limit is pretty big (I think 4G for fat32, but my memory may be bad). So, if you were ever to want to push some really large files onto that drive that would be a drawback to going that route. Greg Wallace -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 19:21 +0100, Vince Oliver wrote:

thanks

to which FS to reformat to be writable in both Linux and windows?

oliver

Fat32 works for me. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org