don fisher composed on 2018-04-28 20:45 (UTC-0700):

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

Sorry. I am running LibreOffice 6.03.02 X86_64 under leap 42.3. I assumed that when I received an error message stating that, whatever F1 was looking for is "not installed on your computer", that something might be missing. There is also an empty /usr/share/LibreOffice/help directory.

That directory is empty here for LO6 on 42.3 too, while /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ is not empty. LibreOffice Writer here also announces built-in help is not installed. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:54:46 -0700 don fisher wrote:

On 04/28/2018 08:58 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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don fisher composed on 2018-04-28 20:45 (UTC-0700):

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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don fisher composed:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files. Sorry. I am running LibreOffice 6.03.02 X86_64 under leap 42.3.

I'm still running 5.4.5.1 because this 6.0 upgrade seems like it wasn't thought through properly. In my case the dialog box is quite explicit. it says: "The LibreOffice built-in help is not installed on your computer. "You may either install it from our website or your system’s repositories, or read an online version." There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it. It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case. LO help has been chaotic for quite a while. I understand it's the difficulty of maintaining help that is accurate with a continually updating code base, then exacerbated by openSUSE's packaging policies. Fortunately I don't usually try to do anything ambitious with the program any longer, so I'm not often looking for help.

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I assumed that when I received an error message stating that, whatever F1 was looking for is "not installed on your computer", that something might be missing. There is also an empty /usr/share/LibreOffice/help directory. That directory is empty here for LO6 on 42.3 too, while /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ is not empty. LibreOffice Writer here also announces built-in help is not installed. I also have a non empty /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/, but there is nothing below the sub directories: tree /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US/

I have that too.

My /usr/share/libreofffice directory looks like:

There's nothing there on my machine.

I am a bit curious about capitalization of libreoffice. Some posters have listed it as Libreoffice, other as libreoffice. Mine is definitely lower case. What is going on here?

Mine's all lower case. I don't know what's with the upper case or the mis-spelling in previous posts by one poster. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Patrick Shanahan [04-29-18 16:05]:

* Dave Howorth [04-29-18 15:57]: [...]

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There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it.

rather derogatory statement, not necessary

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It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

no, it is not. there is no such directory.

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LO help has been chaotic for quite a while. I understand it's the difficulty of maintaining help that is accurate with a continually updating code base, then exacerbated by openSUSE's packaging policies.

Fortunately I don't usually try to do anything ambitious with the program any longer, so I'm not often looking for help.

zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

should populate /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ for you

please show some respect for those whose work effort you freely utilize. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Dave Howorth [04-29-18 16:32]:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:08:20 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Patrick Shanahan [04-29-18 16:05]:

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* Dave Howorth [04-29-18 15:57]: [...]

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There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it.

rather derogatory statement, not necessary

evidence please?

"careless openSUSE update has broken it". completely unfounded.

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It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

no, it is not. there is no such directory.

yes it is. It's my machine we're discussing.

no, there is not. do: ls -la usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ and see what is displayed. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [04-29-18 19:30]:

On 2018-04-29 22:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Dave Howorth <> [04-29-18 16:32]:

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:08:20 -0400 Patrick Shanahan <> wrote:

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It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

no, it is not. there is no such directory.

yes it is. It's my machine we're discussing.

no, there is not. do: ls -la usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ and see what is displayed.

You forgot the leading slash, you are being intentionally obtuse.

indeed, because of the tone that was set by the OP. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:04:10 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Dave Howorth [04-29-18 15:57]: [...]

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It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

should populate /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ for you

Why would I want to do that since /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ already contains the help files? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:39:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 2018-04-29 22:28, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:04:10 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Dave Howorth [04-29-18 15:57]: [...]

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It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

should populate /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ for you

Why would I want to do that since /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ already contains the help files?

That tree here only contains empty directories, and 3 xsl files totalling 43 KiB.

# ls -la /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ total 44 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 112 Apr 11 13:50 . drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 144 Jan 31 10:39 .. drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1320 Apr 11 13:50 en-GB drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 182 Nov 27 2016 en-US -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1998 Jan 30 17:22 idxcaption.xsl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3579 Jan 30 17:22 idxcontent.xsl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33645 Jan 30 17:22 main_transform.xsl The directories are not empty # du -sh /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ 25M /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:47:39 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 2018-04-30 12:53, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 04:39:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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On 2018-04-29 22:28, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 16:04:10 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Dave Howorth [04-29-18 15:57]: [...]

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It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

should populate /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ for you

Why would I want to do that since /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ already contains the help files?

That tree here only contains empty directories, and 3 xsl files totalling 43 KiB.

# ls -la /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ total 44 drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 112 Apr 11 13:50 . drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 144 Jan 31 10:39 .. drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1320 Apr 11 13:50 en-GB drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 182 Nov 27 2016 en-US -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1998 Jan 30 17:22 idxcaption.xsl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3579 Jan 30 17:22 idxcontent.xsl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33645 Jan 30 17:22 main_transform.xsl

The directories are not empty

# du -sh /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ 25M /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/

cer@Telcontar:~> ls -la /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ total 64 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 30 09:37 . drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Apr 30 09:37 .. drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Dec 26 2016 en-US drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Dec 26 2016 es -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2055 Mar 29 17:04 idxcaption.xsl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3624 Mar 29 17:04 idxcontent.xsl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 37366 Mar 29 17:04 main_transform.xsl cer@Telcontar:~> du -sh /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ 124K /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ cer@Telcontar:~> cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -q libreoffice libreoffice-6.0.3.2-18.1.x86_64 cer@Telcontar:~>cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="42.3" ID=opensuse ID_LIKE="suse" VERSION_ID="42.3" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 42.3" ANSI_COLOR="0;32" CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:opensuse:leap:42.3" BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.opensuse.org" HOME_URL="https://www.opensuse.org/" cer@Telcontar:~>

I'm not sure what your point is? You haven't installed LO help from the Document Foundation, whereas I have (since openSUSE don't provide it). We're both running 42.3. You've upgraded LO to 6, I haven't. So what? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 30/04/18 07:47 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

cer@Telcontar:~> ls -la /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ total 64 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Apr 30 09:37 . drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Apr 30 09:37 .. drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Dec 26 2016 en-US

^^^^^ What's underneath there?

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On 2018-04-29 22:04, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Dave Howorth <> [04-29-18 15:57]: [...]

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There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it.

It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

LO help has been chaotic for quite a while. I understand it's the difficulty of maintaining help that is accurate with a continually updating code base, then exacerbated by openSUSE's packaging policies.

Fortunately I don't usually try to do anything ambitious with the program any longer, so I'm not often looking for help.

zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

should populate /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ for you

That package does not contain help files on the last 42.3 update, which I installed minutes ago in this laptop: cer@minas-tirith:~> rpm -ql libreoffice-l10n-en /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US/crdbus50.bau /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US/standard.bau /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US/template.bau /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/Langpack-en-US.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res/fcfg_langpack_en-US.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/wizards /usr/share/libreoffice/share/wizards/resources_en_US.properties cer@minas-tirith:~> There is an almost empty help tree under /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help, and an old and unpopulated one under /usr/lib/libreoffice/help I run updatedb, then locate to try to find some of the help files don downloaded, and I can not find them anywhere in my system. The LO update for 42.3 does not have help files as far as I can see. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 04/29/2018 12:56 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:54:46 -0700 don fisher wrote:

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On 04/28/2018 08:58 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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don fisher composed on 2018-04-28 20:45 (UTC-0700):

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don fisher composed: > I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a > "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files. Sorry. I am running LibreOffice 6.03.02 X86_64 under leap 42.3.

I'm still running 5.4.5.1 because this 6.0 upgrade seems like it wasn't thought through properly.

In my case the dialog box is quite explicit. it says:

"The LibreOffice built-in help is not installed on your computer.

"You may either install it from our website or your system’s repositories, or read an online version."

There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it.

It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

LO help has been chaotic for quite a while. I understand it's the difficulty of maintaining help that is accurate with a continually updating code base, then exacerbated by openSUSE's packaging policies.

Fortunately I don't usually try to do anything ambitious with the program any longer, so I'm not often looking for help.

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I assumed that when I received an error message stating that, whatever F1 was looking for is "not installed on your computer", that something might be missing. There is also an empty /usr/share/LibreOffice/help directory. That directory is empty here for LO6 on 42.3 too, while /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ is not empty. LibreOffice Writer here also announces built-in help is not installed. I also have a non empty /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/, but there is nothing below the sub directories: tree /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US/

I have that too.

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My /usr/share/libreofffice directory looks like:

There's nothing there on my machine.

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I am a bit curious about capitalization of libreoffice. Some posters have listed it as Libreoffice, other as libreoffice. Mine is definitely lower case. What is going on here?

Mine's all lower case. I don't know what's with the upper case or the mis-spelling in previous posts by one poster.

I tried to be a bit ambitious and downloaded the help file by clicking on the "libreoffice built in help" tab: download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/6.0.3/rpm/x86_64/LibreOffice_6.0.3_Linux_x86-64_rpm_helppack_en-US.tar.gz which yielded an rpm: libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm which I tried to install via: sudo zypper install libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm. I received an error message: Problem: nothing provides libobasis6.0-en-US >= 6.0.3.2 needed by libobasis6.0-en-US help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64 I have libreoffice-base 6.0.3.2-18.1 installed. The version numbers are so close that I assume libobasis6.0-en-US is equivalent to libreoffice-base. I also tried the recently suggested sudo zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en which appeared to succeed but the directories in both /usr.share/libreoffice and /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help are still empty. And application still fails to function. I forgot how to display what file are in an RPM file. Help would be appreciated. Thanks, Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/29/2018 01:43 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* don fisher [04-29-18 16:38]:

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On 04/29/2018 12:56 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 11:54:46 -0700 don fisher wrote:

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On 04/28/2018 08:58 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

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don fisher composed on 2018-04-28 20:45 (UTC-0700):

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> Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> don fisher composed: >>> I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a >>> "not installed >> on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or >> Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help >> files. > Sorry. I am running LibreOffice 6.03.02 X86_64 under leap 42.3.

I'm still running 5.4.5.1 because this 6.0 upgrade seems like it wasn't thought through properly.

In my case the dialog box is quite explicit. it says:

"The LibreOffice built-in help is not installed on your computer.

"You may either install it from our website or your system’s repositories, or read an online version."

There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it.

It's in usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ in my case.

LO help has been chaotic for quite a while. I understand it's the difficulty of maintaining help that is accurate with a continually updating code base, then exacerbated by openSUSE's packaging policies.

Fortunately I don't usually try to do anything ambitious with the program any longer, so I'm not often looking for help.

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> I assumed that when I received an error message stating that, whatever F1 was looking for is "not installed on your computer", that something might be missing. There is also an empty /usr/share/LibreOffice/help directory. That directory is empty here for LO6 on 42.3 too, while /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ is not empty. LibreOffice Writer here also announces built-in help is not installed. I also have a non empty /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/, but there is nothing below the sub directories: tree /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US/

I have that too.

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My /usr/share/libreofffice directory looks like:

There's nothing there on my machine.

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I am a bit curious about capitalization of libreoffice. Some posters have listed it as Libreoffice, other as libreoffice. Mine is definitely lower case. What is going on here?

Mine's all lower case. I don't know what's with the upper case or the mis-spelling in previous posts by one poster.

I tried to be a bit ambitious and downloaded the help file by clicking on the "libreoffice built in help" tab: download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/6.0.3/rpm/x86_64/LibreOffice_6.0.3_Linux_x86-64_rpm_helppack_en-US.tar.gz which yielded an rpm: libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm which I tried to install via: sudo zypper install libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm.

I received an error message: Problem: nothing provides libobasis6.0-en-US >= 6.0.3.2 needed by libobasis6.0-en-US help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64

I have libreoffice-base 6.0.3.2-18.1 installed. The version numbers are so close that I assume libobasis6.0-en-US is equivalent to libreoffice-base. I also tried the recently suggested sudo zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en which appeared to succeed but the directories in both /usr.share/libreoffice and /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help are still empty.

And application still fails to function.

I forgot how to display what file are in an RPM file. Help would be appreciated.

don't belive the above process will accomplish what you want, but...

rpm --help

rpm -ql will display the files withing the rpm

I displayed the files in my: libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm and found they were loaded into /opt. I moved them to: /usr/share/libreoffice/help and now the F1 command in libreoffice appears to function. Thanks for all of the suggestions, PROBLEM SOLVED:-) I hope. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/30/2018 05:11 AM, don fisher wrote:

Too fast! Doesn't work very much. Maybe I put it in the wrong place? First click on magnifying glass always brings up "Zoom & View Layout". If click help in that window get not installed error message again.

So I placed the files in /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US and the system appears to work. I will test further before claiming success again.

Don

Awesome. I did everything you did and got libreoffice help files to work again. I have wanted to get this done for some time now, and you figured out how to make it work! Thanks! Very much appreciated! -- George Box: 42.3 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.3 | Gnome 3.20 | AMD FX 7TH GEN | 64 | 32GB Laptop #2: 42.3 | Gnome 3.20 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

don fisher composed on 2018-04-29 13:35 (UTC-0700):

I forgot how to display what file are in an RPM file. Help would be appreciated.

1-open MC 2-highlight file to view 3-<ENTER> Works same for any archive file type MC knows about. MC can copy out the content to arbitrary location. With some file types, the MC editor can edit the archive's content. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 29/04/18 03:56 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

Fortunately I don't usually try to do anything ambitious with the program any longer, so I'm not often looking for help.

There were, in the early days of MS-DOS, some damn fine office-grade word processors. I'm sure some of the Greybeards here have fond memories.

From a more objective POV, as far as office efficiency went, this probably climaxed with DOD3.3 and Wordperfect4.2. Mosy of the 'secretaries' preferred WordPerfect to MS-Word. Perhaps the latter's 'style sheets' were more ... sensible ... but those of us who grew up with VI/EMACS and ROFF/TROFF weren't enamoured with the WYSIWYG anyway.

My observation at the time was so long as Microsoft threw advertising dollars that way, MS-Word sales dominated. But magazine reviewers are fickle. Microsoft added 'features' and turned the _word_ processor into a document processor, subsuming functions that had nothing to do with with the basic from office/secretarial and taking in the work of the "Art Department": produce brochures and newsletters and even, *shock* *horror*, books! So it became a 'feature war' and he who has the longest bullet list wins. We saw that in the AV wars as well. Never mind that boot sector viruses went out with booting from 8" floppies, they were still on the lists! Never mind that 95% of the people using MS-Word don't use 98% of it's features. And the issue with OpenOffice and LibreOffice was that in order to show that Linux has an office suite every bit as good as Microsoft it became a bullet list war. Not a 'productivity' war. In fact the Linux side won a few points, like having a UI that was a bit retrograde but the one people preferred, and had consistent indenting, which was a big hit for producing military-style documentation. But we are still back to the 95%/98% issue. My biggest issue is that I want to print pocketable 'prompt cards': 5x3 things with title and bullet lists of reminders and perhaps little graphics. Setting page size is no problem; fonts and layout and all the rest is no problem. Persuading my printer to accept 5x3 cards via the manual feed is the problem. The presence or absence of LO help files has no relevance to this. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 30/04/18 10:10 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:10:38 -0400 Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 29/04/18 03:56 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: [snip] Persuading my printer to accept 5x3 cards via the manual feed is the problem.

The presence or absence of LO help files has no relevance to this.

What's the relevance of your comment in a thread entitled "libreoffice help: do you really need it?"?

The point I was trying to make is that presence or not of the LO help files has no relevance to the problems I have trying to use them in the real world. Even before I print the problems I have had in the past in LO are better solved by consulting the Net-of-a-billion-lies than the help files that were present in those revisions. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/05/18 06:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-04-30 15:10, Anton Aylward wrote:

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The presence or absence of LO help files has no relevance to this.

I do use the help some times.

I can't recall ever having used the help facilities with 'writer', but then I only ever use it as a word processor; occasional I mock up business cards or do prompt cards, but that's just using a template or adjusting page size -- no big deal. Normally I just use 'calc' for lists of numbers, budgeting, reporting, that sort of thing, but I do recall having to do a date calculation and average calculation and referring to the 'help'. It was 'dictionary perfect' and completely useless. I went to the net-of-a-billion-lies for some practical advice and examples. Now I know better and the 'net is my first recourse. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/07/2018 11:30 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

The LO online help is still incomplete compared to what used to be included in the local help files, much sparser and the steps to accomplish X,Y or Z or much less detailed than in the old installed help.

And be wary if you launch it in Firefox. For me the pull down menus of the LO site hang open sending FF Web-Content into a tizy chewing up 5-10% of the CPU continually -- requiring a FF shutdown/restart to correct. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Basil Chupin [05-08-18 02:11]:

On 08/05/18 14:30, David C. Rankin wrote:

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There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it. This is somewhat a bad joke, LO stripped all local help files leaving nothing but an index which is supposed to link to the LO website where all the help files should be stored, but the move from the installed help to the website has not been completed by LO, leaving your with a hit-or-miss as to whether

On 04/29/2018 02:56 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: there is any help file in either place.

This isn't new and started the better part of a year ago. I wrote a bug on it with LO and that was the answer at the time. So you have not very helpful help regardless of what you have installed.

The upside is that at least the online-help is getting better -- but you are SOL if you don't have an internet connection when you need help.. (progress)

What you just wrote reminds me of the thinking behind the information given to people when they are about to Download a copy of Tumbleweed or Leap 42.3 or Leap 15.0 Beta (for 42.3, for example, here:

https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/leap )

where one of the Recommended System Requirements is

<quote>

Internet access is helpful, and required for the Network Installer

</unquote>

However, there are no hints given on how to download the system without using the internet :-).

And, yes, there is also the other very obvious question... :-).

it is a *wiki* and you can make appropriate edits. someone else will step up and make adjustments to your edits if they don't formate correctly. do your thing. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/08/2018 07:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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it is a *wiki* and you can make appropriate edits. someone else will step up and make adjustments to your edits if they don't formate correctly. do your thing. It is *not* a wiki.

It wouldn't make much sense to be a wiki... Think about it. LO writes and office suite, nobody knows how the guts of it is supposed to behave, or how to construct, e.g. a "table of authorities". And the only help on how to accomplish the task is supposedly left to non-developers to suss out by? trial-and-error? LO is a good package, but has struggled a bit with the help mess. When you need word-processor, or spread-sheet help, you need a clear, informative and robust help system for any of the advanced features. The old local installed help wasn't the best in the world, but it was much more informative than what has been moved online. It actually had screenshots detailed descriptions of how to do X, Y and Z. The online contents is more just a rough outline in a lot of areas. The lack of a good local help file, (good ole "F1" for lack of better words), seems like a "let's shoot ourselves in the foot" type moment. It can't be a drive space issue in days of Terabyte drives (or 1/4 Terrabyte SSDs). It's a bit bewildering why there isn't a good local help anymore, it takes just as much work (and manpower), if not more, to maintain online servers and publish online content as it does to simply package the help and ship it out for local install... (and you avoid the "need help now, but don't have inet connection... problem) That's not that bad for desktops, but for laptops, there are a number of times where there simply isn't public inet available. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 08/05/18 21:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [05-08-18 02:11]:

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On 08/05/18 14:30, David C. Rankin wrote:

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There's no LO help in the standard openSUSE repositories AFAIK and I haven't looked at other oS repositories so sometime ago I installed the help from the LO site and it worked. It no longer does, so I suppose some careless openSUSE update has broken it. This is somewhat a bad joke, LO stripped all local help files leaving nothing but an index which is supposed to link to the LO website where all the help files should be stored, but the move from the installed help to the website has not been completed by LO, leaving your with a hit-or-miss as to whether

On 04/29/2018 02:56 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: there is any help file in either place.

This isn't new and started the better part of a year ago. I wrote a bug on it with LO and that was the answer at the time. So you have not very helpful help regardless of what you have installed.

The upside is that at least the online-help is getting better -- but you are SOL if you don't have an internet connection when you need help.. (progress) What you just wrote reminds me of the thinking behind the information given to people when they are about to Download a copy of Tumbleweed or Leap 42.3 or Leap 15.0 Beta (for 42.3, for example, here:

https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/leap )

where one of the Recommended System Requirements is

<quote>

Internet access is helpful, and required for the Network Installer

</unquote>

However, there are no hints given on how to download the system without using the internet :-).

And, yes, there is also the other very obvious question... :-). it is a *wiki* and you can make appropriate edits. someone else will step up and make adjustments to your edits if they don't formate correctly. do your thing.

I don't think it is a 'wiki' page -- a header on top of that web page shows: <quote>     Download  Software  Documentation  Wiki  Forums </quote> As far as I am concerned it is a page written as part of the official information re what is available from the openSUSE Project, and I am most certainly not going to mess around with something which looks as official as what is on that/those page/s. BC -- Always be nice to people on your way up -- you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/05/18 21:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 08/05/18 21:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

...

* Basil Chupin [05-08-18 02:11]: [...]

...

<quote>

Internet access is helpful, and required for the Network Installer

</unquote>

However, there are no hints given on how to download the system without using the internet :-).

And, yes, there is also the other very obvious question... :-). it is a *wiki* and you can make appropriate edits. someone else will step up and make adjustments to your edits if they don't formate correctly. do your thing. I don't think it is a 'wiki' page -- a header on top of that web page shows:

<quote>

��� Download� Software� Documentation� Wiki� Forums

</quote>

As far as I am concerned it is a page written as part of the official information re what is available from the openSUSE Project, and I am most certainly not going to mess around with something which looks as official as what is on that/those page/s.

* Basil Chupin [05-09-18 03:15]: then a bug report.

Why a 'bug report'?! It has nothing to do with any naughty-type behaviour by some executable in the Leaps or Tumbleweed. BC -- Always be nice to people on your way up -- you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-05-10 03:12, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 09/05/18 21:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin <> [05-09-18 03:15]:

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On 08/05/18 21:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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As far as I am concerned it is a page written as part of the official information re what is available from the openSUSE Project, and I am most certainly not going to mess around with something which looks as official as what is on that/those page/s. then a bug report.

Why a 'bug report'?! It has nothing to do with any naughty-type behaviour by some executable in the Leaps or Tumbleweed.

against opensuse.org, IIRC -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

* don fisher [04-29-18 14:56]: [...]

I am a bit curious about capitalization of libreoffice. Some posters have listed it as Libreoffice, other as libreoffice. Mine is definitely lower case. What is going on here?

openSUSE repos deliver "liberoffice", lowercase zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en should populate /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/ for you. why it is not probably needs a bug report. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 29/04/18 04:01 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* don fisher [04-29-18 14:56]: [...]

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I am a bit curious about capitalization of libreoffice. Some posters have listed it as Libreoffice, other as libreoffice. Mine is definitely lower case. What is going on here?

openSUSE repos deliver "liberoffice", lowercase

zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

should populate /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/ for you.

So # zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en Verbosity: 1 Non-option program arguments: 'libreoffice-l10n-en' Initializing Target Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Force resolution: No Forcing installation of 'libreoffice-l10n-en-6.0.3.2-18.1.noarch' from repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.3-Update'. Resolving package dependencies... Force resolution: No The following package is going to be reinstalled: libreoffice-l10n-en 6.0.3.2-18.1 Retrieving package libreoffice-l10n-en-6.0.3.2-18.1.noarch (1/1), 308.8 KiB (186.9 KiB unpacked) Retrieving: libreoffice-l10n-en-6.0.3.2-18.1.noarch.rpm ......................................[done (287.2 KiB/s)] (1/1) Installing: libreoffice-l10n-en-6.0.3.2-18.1.noarch ..................................................[done] ... and I ended up with # rpm -ql libreoffice-l10n-en /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US/crdbus50.bau /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US/standard.bau /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext/en-US/template.bau /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/Langpack-en-US.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res/fcfg_langpack_en-US.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/wizards /usr/share/libreoffice/share/wizards/resources_en_US.properties Those don't look like help files. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [04-28-18 23:48]:

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* don fisher [04-28-18 23:18]:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

again: libreoffice version? operating system? desktop? source for libreoffice?

I am running Tumbleweed libreoffice-6.0.3.2-3.3.x86_64 source OSS on plasma5/kde5

f1 brings up the help menu

S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository ---+--------------------------------+-------------+-------------+--------+------------------------ i+ | LibreOffice Base | application | | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | LibreOffice Calc | application | | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | LibreOffice Draw | application | | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | LibreOffice Impress | application | | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | LibreOffice Writer | application | | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-base | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-base-drivers-mysql | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-branding-upstream | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-calc | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-calc-extensions | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-draw | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-filters-optional | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-icon-themes | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-impress | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-kde4 | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-l10n-en | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-mailmerge | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-math | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-pyuno | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i | libreoffice-share-linker | package | 1-4.3 | noarch | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-writer | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS i+ | libreoffice-writer-extensions | package | 6.0.3.2-3.3 | x86_64 | openSUSE-Tumbleweed OSS

I know of no separate help files Sorry. I am running LibreOffice 6.03.02 X86_64 under leap 42.3. I assumed

On 04/28/2018 08:27 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: that when I received an error message stating that, whatever F1 was looking for is "not installed on your computer", that something might be missing. There is also an empty /usr/share/LibreOffice/help directory.

I have no directory, /usr/share/LibereOffice, but do have /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US which comes from /libreoffice-l10n-en-6.0.3.2-3.3.noarch do you have it installed? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/29/2018 05:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* don fisher [04-29-18 19:38]:

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On 04/28/2018 08:16 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

Thanks Don

It is fixed:-) Files are loaded in /opt. So I placed the files in /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US and the system appears to work. No Problems noted so far. How does one make this fix generally available to Opensuse/libreoffice users?

it doesn't need to be made available. it is not correct. you were provided the proper solution, but choose to do otherwise. and it may come back to haunt you.

Why do you attack so. I hope this is a friendly list. I did do what you suggested: zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en but the files were placed in the /opt/libreoffice directory as I described previously. So I moved them to: /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/ and it works. We are close to saying the same thing, except where zypper put the files. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-04-30 03:44, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:

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On 04/29/2018 05:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [04-29-18 19:38]:

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On 04/28/2018 08:16 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

Thanks Don

It is fixed:-) Files are loaded in /opt. So I placed the files in /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US and the system appears to work. No Problems noted so far. How does one make this fix generally available to Opensuse/libreoffice users?

it doesn't need to be made available. it is not correct. you were provided the proper solution, but choose to do otherwise. and it may come back to haunt you.

Why do you attack so. I hope this is a friendly list. I did do what you suggested: zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

but the files were placed in the /opt/libreoffice directory as I described previously. So I moved them to: /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/

and it works. We are close to saying the same thing, except where zypper put the files.

Don Don, all that Patrick tries to convince you of, is that you're better of using

Op maandag 30 april 2018 03:14:46 CEST schreef don fisher: the openSUSE packages. You now have a bunch of files on your system that do not belong to any package, since they we're copied/moved manually, and hence of which rpm nor zypper are aware. These kind of things can lead to awkward situations, because you break tested integrity of the installed system. My 2 cents? Undo the manual changes, install the openSUSE package and you should be fine, also on future updates.

But the openSUSE provided packages do not work, and no one has posted a solution, except don. He says that zypper placed the files in /opt, where they are not found by LO, they have to be moved to /usr. This, if confirmed, is an openSUSE packaging error. I will try to confirm or not later or tomorrow. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

Op maandag 30 april 2018 04:09:09 CEST schreef don fisher:

On 04/29/2018 06:44 PM, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:

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Op maandag 30 april 2018 03:14:46 CEST schreef don fisher:

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On 04/29/2018 05:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [04-29-18 19:38]:

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On 04/28/2018 08:16 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

Thanks Don

It is fixed:-) Files are loaded in /opt. So I placed the files in /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US and the system appears to work. No Problems noted so far. How does one make this fix generally available to Opensuse/libreoffice users?

it doesn't need to be made available. it is not correct. you were provided the proper solution, but choose to do otherwise. and it may come back to haunt you.

Why do you attack so. I hope this is a friendly list. I did do what you suggested: zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

but the files were placed in the /opt/libreoffice directory as I described previously. So I moved them to: /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/

and it works. We are close to saying the same thing, except where zypper put the files.

Don

Don, all that Patrick tries to convince you of, is that you're better of using the openSUSE packages. You now have a bunch of files on your system that do not belong to any package, since they we're copied/moved manually, and hence of which rpm nor zypper are aware. These kind of things can lead to awkward situations, because you break tested integrity of the installed system. My 2 cents? Undo the manual changes, install the openSUSE package and you should be fine, also on future updates.

Please identify the opensuse package to install. I looked under Yast and saw no libreoffice help listed. I tested the zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

command suggested previously that I thought had worked, but when I listed the contents of that rpm file no help files were available:

rpm -qlp libreoffice-l10n-eo-6.0.3.2-18.1.noarch.rpm /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/acc.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/avmedia.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/basctl.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/chart.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/cnr.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/cui.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/dba.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/dkt.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/editeng.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/flt.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/for.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/fps.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/frm.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/fwk.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/pcr.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/rpt.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sb.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sc.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sca.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/scc.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sd.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sfx.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sm.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/svl.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/svt.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/svx.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/sw.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/uui.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/vcl.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wiz.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wpt.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/program/resource/eo/LC_MESSAGES/xsc.mo /usr/share/libreoffice/share/autotext /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/Langpack-eo.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res/fcfg_langpack_eo.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/registry/res/registry_eo.xcd /usr/share/libreoffice/share/wizards /usr/share/libreoffice/share/wizards/resources_eo.properties

The file I downloaded from the libreoffice site: LibreOffice_6.0.3_Linux_x86-64_rpm_helppack_en-US.tar.gz contains:

libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm which contains: /opt/libreoffice6.0 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/default.css /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/err.html /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/highcontrast1.css /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/highcontrast2.css /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/highcontrastblack.css /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/highcontrastwhite.css /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sbasic.tree /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/scalc.tree /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/schart.tree /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdatabase.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/sdraw.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/shared.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/shared.tree /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/simpress.tree /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/smath.tree /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.cfg /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.db /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.ht /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.idxl /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.idxl/_0.cfs /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.idxl/segments.gen /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.idxl/segments_3 /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.jar /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.key /opt/libreoffice6.0/help/en-US/swriter.tree

These are the files I moved to /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en_US.

Since there was nothing there before, I assumed I was not overwriting or breaking anything. The error message I received from help libreofice, "not installed on your computer" led me to believe that the help was optional and I should download it if desired.

Again, if there is an opensuse solution I would be more than glad to employ it, as I have with all other components of my system.

Sorry if I have offended Don Sorry for my misreading. The packages in Leap15 and Tumbleweed do have the help included, none of them have in Leap 42.3. Instead of copying over files, you could create a symlink to the folder in / opt , that would make updating easier.

-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [04-29-18 21:15]:

On 04/29/2018 05:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [04-29-18 19:38]:

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On 04/28/2018 08:16 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

Thanks Don

It is fixed:-) Files are loaded in /opt. So I placed the files in /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US and the system appears to work. No Problems noted so far. How does one make this fix generally available to Opensuse/libreoffice users?

it doesn't need to be made available. it is not correct. you were provided the proper solution, but choose to do otherwise. and it may come back to haunt you.

Why do you attack so. I hope this is a friendly list. I did do what you suggested: zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

there is no "attack" and the list is friendly. if you *really* did as I suggested, you have an off-the-wall repo as the files would not be put into /opt.

but the files were placed in the /opt/libreoffice directory as I described previously. So I moved them to: /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/

and it works. We are close to saying the same thing, except where zypper put the files.

please provide the result of: rpm -qf /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/<any-file-here> the answer I provided you was not an attack but the truth, and I do not understand you thinking so. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-04-30 06:39, Basil Chupin wrote:

To  date, what a fascinating thread this has been!

Seeing as how fascinating it has been, I'll throw my contribution into the ring.

On the same desktop I have Leap 42.3, Leap 15.0, and Tumbleweed (TW) installed and which are up-to-date (updated this morning [and every morning]). LO is the version which comes from openSUSE and is not the version installable from the LO site itself. That is, LO is totally the product of openSUSE.

In each of these versions of oS, the following is shown in Yast2 for re the 'help' file(s) for LO version 6.0.3.2:

http://susepaste.org/61036221

The only difference between these 3 versions of oS is that the _Help_ for LO does not "work" in Leap 42.3 but "works" in Leap 15 and TW.

Why _Help_ doesn't work in Leap 42.3 but does in Leap 15 and TW bearing in mind that the 'Help' files are installed in the same directory/ies in all 3 versions of oS (see the susepaste image above) is not something I can answer.

Past night I updated my laptop, and LO Help doesn't work there. Now I'm testing now on my desktop machine, which I could not update the other day because of the conflict with liberation fonts. So this moment I have LO version: Version: 5.4.5.1 Build ID: 40m0(Build:1) and... surprise! Help (F1) does not work. It says it is not installed. I will now proceed to update to LO 6. I hope it works better, I had problems the other day printing a file with photos. [...] Now I have: Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) and help is not installed, according to the program. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-04-30 12:52, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 30/04/18 17:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-04-30 06:39, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Now I'm testing now on my desktop machine, which I could not update the other day because of the conflict with liberation fonts. So this moment I have LO version:

Version: 5.4.5.1 Build ID: 40m0(Build:1)

and... surprise! Help (F1) does not work. It says it is not installed. I will now proceed to update to LO 6. I hope it works better, I had problems the other day printing a file with photos.

[...]

Now I have:

Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 00m0(Build:2)

and help is not installed, according to the program.

Yes, that is what _Help_ states when you select it but if you look at the info. in Yast -- see the susepaste image -- _Help_ is installed.

cer@Telcontar:~> du -sh /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ 124K /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ cer@Telcontar:~> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 30/04/18 12:39 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On the same desktop I have Leap 42.3, Leap 15.0, and Tumbleweed (TW) installed and which are up-to-date (updated this morning [and every morning]). LO is the version which comes from openSUSE and is not the version installable from the LO site itself. That is, LO is totally the product of openSUSE.

In each of these versions of oS, the following is shown in Yast2 for re the 'help' file(s) for LO version 6.0.3.2:

http://susepaste.org/61036221

The only difference between these 3 versions of oS is that the _Help_ for LO does not "work" in Leap 42.3 but "works" in Leap 15 and TW.

Why _Help_ doesn't work in Leap 42.3 but does in Leap 15 and TW bearing in mind that the 'Help' files are installed in the same directory/ies in all 3 versions of oS (see the susepaste image above) is not something I can answer.

Just to clarify: You installed LO version 6.0.3.2 on each OS. Are you saying what's illustrated in the susepaste is the help files? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 30/04/18 09:56 AM, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:

Anton, it's quite simple: the l10n packages for Leap 15 en Tw do contain the LO help files, the packages for 42.3 don't. You can check that by downloading one of each, open them with Ark or something like that, and it's clear. Also visible from the size of these rpms.

OK, I'll take your word for that. I'll also not download L15's LO help to use on 42.3 See my post to Patrick. But it does rather raise the question of why this happened. Those are all openSUSE repositories. Yes, I realise that TW and L15 are "more advanced" than 42.3 but this is the same version of LO in each case, not a more advanced LO, not a more advanced directory structure, something 'lacking' in 42.3. If the *code* of 6.0.3.2 builds and works for 64-bit machines @TW & L15 then surely the build worked for 42.3 as well otherwise the basic LO wouldn't work. So what would be build of the help files fail? Is there, just as with the user build system, somewhere we can check on whether those builds failed or not? Should I check that all the code RPMs are the same or what? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 1 May 2018 12:15:18 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 2018-04-30 16:11, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 30/04/18 09:56 AM, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:

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Anton, it's quite simple: the l10n packages for Leap 15 en Tw do contain the LO help files, the packages for 42.3 don't. You can check that by downloading one of each, open them with Ark or something like that, and it's clear. Also visible from the size of these rpms.

OK, I'll take your word for that. I'll also not download L15's LO help to use on 42.3 See my post to Patrick.

But it does rather raise the question of why this happened. Those are all openSUSE repositories. Yes, I realise that TW and L15 are "more advanced" than 42.3 but this is the same version of LO in each case, not a more advanced LO, not a more advanced directory structure, something 'lacking' in 42.3. If the *code* of 6.0.3.2 builds and works for 64-bit machines @TW & L15 then surely the build worked for 42.3 as well otherwise the basic LO wouldn't work. So what would be build of the help files fail? Is there, just as with the user build system, somewhere we can check on whether those builds failed or not?

They were also missing in

Version: 5.4.5.1 Build ID: 40m0(Build:1)

for Leap 42.3

Has some one written a Bugzilla yet?

There's no bugzilla needed. If you trawl back through the history you'll find it was a deliberate decision, predicated by problems upstream. So we were told to download from the LO site, if we really wanted offline help, despite it being less than perfect. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/05/18 07:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-05-01 13:12, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Has some one written a Bugzilla yet?

There's no bugzilla needed. If you trawl back through the history

What history?

Yes!

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you'll find it was a deliberate decision, predicated by problems upstream. So we were told to download from the LO site, if we really wanted offline help, despite it being less than perfect.

Oh, Ffff! :-/

That's "OxFfffffff" to you, my dear, 32-bit precision, albeit in a 64-bit world :-) And how come this problem applies only to 42.3 and not TW or L15? I don't think it can be a 32-bit/64-bit problem as we're running 64-bit on all three. I don't think it can be a kernel problem as I'm running a later model kernel on my 42.4 than there is in L15: # uname -r 4.16.5-1.g16c5ff9-default and I have 4.16.6 waiting in the wings. Don't try telling me that it's about the version of the kernel that is distributed with 42.3, 'cos all that means it that LO is crippleware and the installation can't bother checking ... no wait, its not an installation problem, it's the RPM didn't get built. What is this supposed problem then? so far nothing we've been told makes sense. Especially if I can use the help rpm from the build for L15 on 42.3. There's something going on here that is logically inconsistent.

And people here telling that if we install the help from outside we break our system further on, so only install it from openSUSE places.

Good grief.

<< insert obligatory snoopy cartoon https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSU0lXpWkAEaFNa.jpg

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-- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-05-01 18:21, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Tue, 1 May 2018 08:24:34 -0400 Anton Aylward <> wrote:

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On 01/05/18 07:22 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-05-01 13:12, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Has some one written a Bugzilla yet?

There's no bugzilla needed. If you trawl back through the history

What history?

That's the question that TRAWLING answers.

What or who is TRAWLING?

But if you're too lazy, try last year's thread 'Is there a Libreoffice OFFLINE help package?' for starters.

https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2017-08/msg00958.html I don't see there anything that may explain why Tumbleweed and 15.0 do have help, and 42.3 doesn't. That thread says that LO has no offline help package, that it was removed while being redesigned, but Leap 15.0 has it, so the offline help package does exist.

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Yes!

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you'll find it was a deliberate decision, predicated by problems upstream. So we were told to download from the LO site, if we really wanted offline help, despite it being less than perfect.

Oh, Ffff! :-/

That's "OxFfffffff" to you, my dear, 32-bit precision, albeit in a 64-bit world :-)

And how come this problem applies only to 42.3 and not TW or L15?

Because 42.3 was released at an earlier time to TW and L15, when a different release of LO was current and the state of the help was apparently different.

That does not match, because apparently all openSUSE distros have the exact same LibreOffice release.

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There's something going on here that is logically inconsistent.

Indeed so.

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And people here telling that if we install the help from outside we break our system further on, so only install it from openSUSE places.

Good grief.

<< insert obligatory snoopy cartoon https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSU0lXpWkAEaFNa.jpg

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-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 04/30/2018 09:14 AM, don fisher wrote:

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Why do you attack so. I hope this is a friendly list. I did do what you suggested: zypper -v in --force libreoffice-l10n-en

but the files were placed in the /opt/libreoffice directory as I described previously. So I moved them to: /usr/share/libreoffice/help/en-US/

and it works. We are close to saying the same thing, except where zypper put the files.

Don

On my system, the files that were in /opt/ came from the rpm I manually downloaded from the document foundation, as per the other part of this thread. The said command to force the installation of the English help files did not do so, and I think this is why. I extracted the rpm from the document foundation and the rpm from the opensuse repos, and here is the difference - you can see that they are not the same. The document foundation rpm installs in the /opt directory and contains the english language help files, while the rpm from opensuse (it is not described as the help package, but as a language package) contains some English language files, but does not contain help files, and installs them in the /usr/share/libreoffice directory. Here is the tree of them both compared: From the document foundation:

tree from_docfoundation/ from_docfoundation/ └── opt     └── libreoffice6.0         └── help             └── en-US                 ├── default.css                 ├── err.html                 ├── highcontrast1.css                 ├── highcontrast2.css                 ├── highcontrastblack.css                 ├── highcontrastwhite.css                 ├── sbasic.cfg                 ├── sbasic.db                 ├── sbasic.ht                 ├── sbasic.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── sbasic.jar                 ├── sbasic.key                 ├── sbasic.tree                 ├── scalc.cfg                 ├── scalc.db                 ├── scalc.ht                 ├── scalc.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── scalc.jar                 ├── scalc.key                 ├── scalc.tree                 ├── schart.cfg                 ├── schart.db                 ├── schart.ht                 ├── schart.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── schart.jar                 ├── schart.key                 ├── schart.tree                 ├── sdatabase.cfg                 ├── sdatabase.db                 ├── sdatabase.ht                 ├── sdatabase.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── sdatabase.key                 ├── sdraw.cfg                 ├── sdraw.db                 ├── sdraw.ht                 ├── sdraw.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── sdraw.jar                 ├── sdraw.key                 ├── shared.jar                 ├── shared.tree                 ├── simpress.cfg                 ├── simpress.db                 ├── simpress.ht                 ├── simpress.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── simpress.jar                 ├── simpress.key                 ├── simpress.tree                 ├── smath.cfg                 ├── smath.db                 ├── smath.ht                 ├── smath.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── smath.jar                 ├── smath.key                 ├── smath.tree                 ├── swriter.cfg                 ├── swriter.db                 ├── swriter.ht                 ├── swriter.idxl                 │   ├── _0.cfs                 │   ├── segments_3                 │   └── segments.gen                 ├── swriter.jar                 ├── swriter.key                 └── swriter.tree

From openSUSE, the libreoffice-l10n-en-6.0.3.2-18.1.noarch.rpm package:

tree from_openSUSE/ from_openSUSE/ └── usr     └── share         └── libreoffice             └── share                 ├── autotext                 │   └── en-US                 │       ├── crdbus50.bau                 │       ├── standard.bau                 │       └── template.bau                 ├── registry                 │   ├── Langpack-en-US.xcd                 │   └── res                 │       └── fcfg_langpack_en-US.xcd                 └── wizards                     └── resources_en_US.properties

So I think that the original suggestion to force installation of that rpm would not install the help files in any case, because it is a set of some other english language operating files, and is not meant to be the help files. The problem is to get the help files to work you have to break dependencies and also install an unsigned package (unless someone can tell me where to get the signature for rpms downloaded from the document foundation). So I think what must have happened in 42.3 and some earlier versions is that somehow the help package was accidentally overlooked and not included in setting up packaging for opensuse. Apparently it is working now in 15.0, according to what some people have written. -- George Box: 42.3 | KDE Plasma 5.8 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 42.3 | Gnome 3.20 | AMD FX 7TH GEN | 64 | 32GB Laptop #2: 42.3 | Gnome 3.20 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/01/2018 02:12 PM, Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:

Op dinsdag 1 mei 2018 22:37:09 CEST schreef don fisher:

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On 04/28/2018 08:16 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am unable to get the F1 key to generate anything except a "not installed on your computer" message. I cannot find either under Yast or Google where to get the appropriate package to add the help files.

Thanks Don

I am now a bit afraid of contributing to this thread. I learned a lot from my interactions, sorry any dumb mistakes. But the following does work. There were comments posted about corrupting possible future upgrades, but I kept a copy of the original directory, as shown below. It is just a few directory heads that are populated by the files present in the downloaded RPM. I can reinstate the original en-US before any upgrades.

/usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US/

|-- sbasic.idxl |-- scalc.idxl |-- schart.idxl |-- sdatabase.idxl |-- sdraw.idxl |-- simpress.idxl |-- smath.idxl

`-- swriter.idxl

Again, I clicked on the "libreoffice built in help" tab at the Libreoffice site: download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/6.0.3/rpm/x86_64/LibreOff ice_6.0.3_Linux_x86-64_rpm_helppack_en-US.tar.gz which yielded an rpm: libobasis6.0-en-US-help-6.0.3.2-2.x86_64.rpm which are loaded into /opt.

I copied the files, but a symbolic link from /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/ to /swl/libreoffice/help/ also makes the desired files available and LO help works. It was suggested that "instead of copying over files, you could create a symlink to the folder in /opt, that would make updating easier."

The error I received from Help about files not being installed was not a fatal error, so again I thought what I was doing was permissible. The /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/en-US/en_US is at end of the tree, so I did not see where other sections would be corrupted.

I had decided to learn Libreoffice, so I thought the help would be valuable to me.

Again, Don

Good it works for you like it is now, Mind, if the packagers decide to add the help to the 42.3 packages, you might run into a conflict re. the link, if so, simply remove the link, and try the update again.

Could you please add details on the symbolic link? I thought to make a link from en_US one would first have to delete the contents of that directory. If not, wouldn't their be a redundancy between the original directory heads and those that have been populated? Again, I made a copy of the original en_US so I would have the ability to return to the original state. Is the some trick in ln -s that avoids this problem? Thanks, Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org