[opensuse] Adobe Flash still needed
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html> It uses flash... The link was posted this month. Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash. It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:22, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html>
It uses flash... The link was posted this month.
Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash.
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
if it's the video of a band, it plays here without flash :-( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/04/2020 15.31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:22, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html>
It uses flash... The link was posted this month.
Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash.
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
if it's the video of a band, it plays here without flash :-(
Yes, it is. Maybe it prefers Flash if FF says it is available. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E.R. <robin.listas@gmx.es> [04-13-20 09:59]:
On 13/04/2020 15.31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:22, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html>
It uses flash... The link was posted this month.
Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash.
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
if it's the video of a band, it plays here without flash :-(
Yes, it is.
Maybe it prefers Flash if FF says it is available.
plays here fine on ff w/o flash tumbleweed -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:54, Carlos E.R. a écrit :
On 13/04/2020 15.31, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:22, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html>
It uses flash... The link was posted this month.
Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash.
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
if it's the video of a band, it plays here without flash :-(
Yes, it is.
Maybe it prefers Flash if FF says it is available.
I get this video, as you can see it's a mp4 one https://cadenaser02.epimg.net/emisora/videos/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/15857... jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:22, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html>
It uses flash... The link was posted this month.
Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash.
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
if it's the video of a band, it plays here without flash :-(
On Leap 15.1, it plays as an MP4 video. No flash needed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 13/04/2020 à 15:22, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
<https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/04/01/ser_las_palmas/1585739228_219410.html>
It uses flash... The link was posted this month.
Plays fine in Chrome, and in FF once I click on allow flash.
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
if it's the video of a band, it plays here without flash :-(
On Leap 15.1, it plays as an MP4 video. No flash needed.
Funny, on a _much_ older system, with FF 11 - the video said "El navegador no admite vídeo HTML5/MP4". :-) Looking at the code, it is also only an MP4 video, no flash. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 13. April 2020, 15:22:25 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
Maybe then you should contact them. Otherwise it's just preaching to the geeko choir here. ;-) Cheers, vinz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 13. April 2020, 15:22:25 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
Maybe then you should contact them. Otherwise it's just preaching to the geeko choir here. ;-)
Cheers, vinz. I'll put it a bit more harsh: Adobe themselves have been stating numerous times that flash should no longer be used. Consider a site that does as not caring about the safety of their visitors, and do not use the site, if it requires flash, or prefers flash over html5. That can have some effect, since
Op maandag 13 april 2020 16:05:06 CEST schreef Vinzenz Vietzke: they lose visitors ( and probably advertising income ). -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/13/2020 09:11 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Am Montag, 13. April 2020, 15:22:25 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
Maybe then you should contact them. Otherwise it's just preaching to the geeko choir here. ;-)
Cheers, vinz. I'll put it a bit more harsh: Adobe themselves have been stating numerous times that flash should no longer be used. Consider a site that does as not caring about the safety of their visitors, and do not use the site, if it requires flash, or prefers flash over html5. That can have some effect, since
Op maandag 13 april 2020 16:05:06 CEST schreef Vinzenz Vietzke: they lose visitors ( and probably advertising income ).
Unfortunately there are a number of government sites that still use it -- no surprise there... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 16:34:01 ACST David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/13/2020 09:11 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op maandag 13 april 2020 16:05:06 CEST schreef Vinzenz Vietzke:
Am Montag, 13. April 2020, 15:22:25 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
Maybe then you should contact them. Otherwise it's just preaching to the geeko choir here. ;-)
Cheers, vinz.
I'll put it a bit more harsh: Adobe themselves have been stating numerous times that flash should no longer be used. Consider a site that does as not caring about the safety of their visitors, and do not use the site, if it requires flash, or prefers flash over html5. That can have some effect, since they lose visitors ( and probably advertising income ).
Unfortunately there are a number of government sites that still use it -- no surprise there...
Not to mention corporations like FLIR Systems that still use Flash for mission-critical operational systems supplied for govt. and military use. :( Almost as bad as companies like Cisco who still use Java for firewall management software. Sadly, there seems to be no incentive for these corporations to dump Flash and Java and move to html5 - or perhaps there is functionality that simply can't be provided via html5. Even VMWare still has Flash-based versions of its VSphere management software for managing large VMWare-based virtualisation clusters, despite having an html5 version too, because there are certain (admin-level) things that can only be done by the flash client and not by html5 (yet). -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au CCNA #CSCO12880208 ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:56:40 ACST Rodney Baker wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 16:34:01 ACST David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/13/2020 09:11 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op maandag 13 april 2020 16:05:06 CEST schreef Vinzenz Vietzke:
Am Montag, 13. April 2020, 15:22:25 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
Maybe then you should contact them. Otherwise it's just preaching to the geeko choir here. ;-)
Cheers, vinz.
I'll put it a bit more harsh: Adobe themselves have been stating numerous times that flash should no longer be used. Consider a site that does as not caring about the safety of their visitors, and do not use the site, if it requires flash, or prefers flash over html5. That can have some effect, since they lose visitors ( and probably advertising income ).
Unfortunately there are a number of government sites that still use it -- no surprise there...
Not to mention corporations like FLIR Systems that still use Flash for mission-critical operational systems supplied for govt. and military use. :( Almost as bad as companies like Cisco who still use Java for firewall management software. Sadly, there seems to be no incentive for these corporations to dump Flash and Java and move to html5 - or perhaps there is functionality that simply can't be provided via html5.
Even VMWare still has Flash-based versions of its VSphere management software for managing large VMWare-based virtualisation clusters, despite having an html5 version too, because there are certain (admin-level) things that can only be done by the flash client and not by html5 (yet).
Oops - sorry - wrong "Reply-To" header on that message - I forgot to select the mailing list profile before sending... -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au CCNA #CSCO12880208 ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Rodney Baker wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 16:34:01 ACST David C. Rankin wrote:
Unfortunately there are a number of government sites that still use it -- no surprise there...
Not to mention corporations like FLIR Systems that still use Flash for mission-critical operational systems supplied for govt. and military use. :( Almost as bad as companies like Cisco who still use Java for firewall management software. Sadly, there seems to be no incentive for these corporations to dump Flash and Java and move to html5 - or perhaps there is functionality that simply can't be provided via html5.
I have to ask - what's wrong with Java? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/04/2020 10.26, Rodney Baker wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 16:34:01 ACST David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/13/2020 09:11 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op maandag 13 april 2020 16:05:06 CEST schreef Vinzenz Vietzke:
Am Montag, 13. April 2020, 15:22:25 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It is not me that needs convincing not to use flash, it is them sites.
Maybe then you should contact them. Otherwise it's just preaching to the geeko choir here. ;-)
Cheers, vinz.
I'll put it a bit more harsh: Adobe themselves have been stating numerous times that flash should no longer be used. Consider a site that does as not caring about the safety of their visitors, and do not use the site, if it requires flash, or prefers flash over html5. That can have some effect, since they lose visitors ( and probably advertising income ).
Obviously Adobe and others have failed at communicating business sites that they should not use the software they purchased to create flash content. Me can't tell them anything since they require registration, and I would need to refer them to some unknown official information site that tells them that using flash is bad in a convincing manner. The fact for users is that there are sites which do use flash if Firefox is configured to support both flash and html5, so that people without flash configuration only get the html5 stream. And no matter how much developers and packagers hate flash, the fact is, it is still used out there, and there is very little users can do about it.
Unfortunately there are a number of government sites that still use it -- no surprise there...
Not to mention corporations like FLIR Systems that still use Flash for mission-critical operational systems supplied for govt. and military use. :( Almost as bad as companies like Cisco who still use Java for firewall management software. Sadly, there seems to be no incentive for these corporations to dump Flash and Java and move to html5 - or perhaps there is functionality that simply can't be provided via html5.
I saw training material from Cisco that used flash.
Even VMWare still has Flash-based versions of its VSphere management software for managing large VMWare-based virtualisation clusters, despite having an html5 version too, because there are certain (admin-level) things that can only be done by the flash client and not by html5 (yet).
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The fact for users is that there are sites which do use flash if Firefox is configured to support both flash and html5, so that people without flash configuration only get the html5 stream.
Most users will not have flash support anyway, so most will see only html5. Does the website actually control whether flash or html5 is used (when both are available) ?
And no matter how much developers and packagers hate flash, the fact is, it is still used out there, and there is very little users can do about it.
Nobody hates it, it is simply deprecated technology. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/04/2020 11.32, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The fact for users is that there are sites which do use flash if Firefox is configured to support both flash and html5, so that people without flash configuration only get the html5 stream.
Most users will not have flash support anyway, so most will see only html5. Does the website actually control whether flash or html5 is used (when both are available) ?
My assumption is it is all on automatic. The site queries for support of flash and then provides the page with flash. Then firefox blocks it, asking for my permission.
And no matter how much developers and packagers hate flash, the fact is, it is still used out there, and there is very little users can do about it.
Nobody hates it, it is simply deprecated technology.
Says they. The sites that purchased the technology keep using it. Telnet is also deprecated technology, get there is no talk of removing telnet support. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/04/2020 11.32, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The fact for users is that there are sites which do use flash if Firefox is configured to support both flash and html5, so that people without flash configuration only get the html5 stream.
Most users will not have flash support anyway, so most will see only html5. Does the website actually control whether flash or html5 is used (when both are available) ?
My assumption is it is all on automatic. The site queries for support of flash and then provides the page with flash. Then firefox blocks it, asking for my permission.
If it is fully automatic, I would expect to see the browser prefer HTML5 over Flash. That's why I wonder who decides - the website or the user. For a mere video it ought to be easy.
And no matter how much developers and packagers hate flash, the fact is, it is still used out there, and there is very little users can do about it.
Nobody hates it, it is simply deprecated technology.
Says they. The sites that purchased the technology keep using it.
Yup, just like some railways are still running steam-engines - yet, they are deprecated. To be "deprecated" only means its use is discouraged and you are encouraged to move to alternatives.
Telnet is also deprecated technology, get there is no talk of removing telnet support.
Telnet is not a technology nor is it deprecated. It is simply a little used tcp/ip protocol (as many of them are). The 'telnet' utility remains very useful for debugging SMTP for instance. A better example is perhaps the network utilities such as 'netstat' and 'ifconfig'. They have been deprecated in favour of 'ss' and 'ip'. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.3°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/04/2020 12.22, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/04/2020 11.32, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The fact for users is that there are sites which do use flash if Firefox is configured to support both flash and html5, so that people without flash configuration only get the html5 stream.
Most users will not have flash support anyway, so most will see only html5. Does the website actually control whether flash or html5 is used (when both are available) ?
My assumption is it is all on automatic. The site queries for support of flash and then provides the page with flash. Then firefox blocks it, asking for my permission.
If it is fully automatic, I would expect to see the browser prefer HTML5 over Flash. That's why I wonder who decides - the website or the user. For a mere video it ought to be easy.
I have no idea how to find that out. Surely there are experts that can find that out.
And no matter how much developers and packagers hate flash, the fact is, it is still used out there, and there is very little users can do about it.
Nobody hates it, it is simply deprecated technology.
Says they. The sites that purchased the technology keep using it.
Yup, just like some railways are still running steam-engines - yet, they are deprecated. To be "deprecated" only means its use is discouraged and you are encouraged to move to alternatives.
Encouraged, not blocked.
Telnet is also deprecated technology, get there is no talk of removing telnet support.
Telnet is not a technology nor is it deprecated. It is simply a little used tcp/ip protocol (as many of them are). The 'telnet' utility remains very useful for debugging SMTP for instance.
I have machines only accessible via telnet.
A better example is perhaps the network utilities such as 'netstat' and 'ifconfig'. They have been deprecated in favour of 'ss' and 'ip'.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 04/15/2020 05:22 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
If it is fully automatic, I would expect to see the browser prefer HTML5 over Flash. That's why I wonder who decides - the website or the user. For a mere video it ought to be easy.
My experience is that it is not automatic. On FF, where there are sites that user flash (and Carlos or you confirmed my noaa weather site also offered html5) -- the site continues to use flash (even when flash is out of date -- it prompts to use flash anyway -- and if you say no -- you get nothing from the site) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:48:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 15/04/2020 11.32, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The fact for users is that there are sites which do use flash if Firefox is configured to support both flash and html5, so that people without flash configuration only get the html5 stream.
Most users will not have flash support anyway, so most will see only html5. Does the website actually control whether flash or html5 is used (when both are available) ?
My assumption is it is all on automatic. The site queries for support of flash and then provides the page with flash. Then firefox blocks it, asking for my permission.
And no matter how much developers and packagers hate flash, the fact is, it is still used out there, and there is very little users can do about it.
Nobody hates it, it is simply deprecated technology.
Says they. The sites that purchased the technology keep using it.
I don't understand the point of this discussion (I'd like to call it a rant, but don't want to upset you). Fine, the problem is websites that keep using it and in particular those that you must use for some reason. Fortunately for me, I'm in the majority of people that Per mentioned who experience no such websites and don't have Flash installed and who live live happily without it. So you've made your point that some people apparently do still use it and there's nothing they or we can do, so can we please stop blathering on about it now.
Telnet is also deprecated technology, get there is no talk of removing telnet support.
Well, I don't have a telnet daemon running on my machines and many of them don't have a telnet binary either. I do have some copies, since it can occasionally be useful. But basically the situation is completely different. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/15/2020 03:26 AM, Rodney Baker wrote:
I'll put it a bit more harsh: Adobe themselves have been stating numerous times that flash should no longer be used. Consider a site that does as not caring about the safety of their visitors, and do not use the site, if it requires flash, or prefers flash over html5. That can have some effect, since they lose visitors ( and probably advertising income ). Unfortunately there are a number of government sites that still use it -- no surprise there... Not to mention corporations like FLIR Systems that still use Flash for mission-critical operational systems supplied for govt. and military use. :( Almost as bad as companies like Cisco who still use Java for firewall management software. Sadly, there seems to be no incentive for these corporations to dump Flash and Java and move to html5 - or perhaps there is functionality that simply can't be provided via html5.
Even VMWare still has Flash-based versions of its VSphere management software for managing large VMWare-based virtualisation clusters, despite having an html5 version too, because there are certain (admin-level) things that can only be done by the flash client and not by html5 (yet).
Obstacles... budget, priority, expertise, no current contractor relationship with original site developer, etc..... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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