I doubt it very much there are thousands of "happy" users out there. They're just in denial, trying to convince themselves they're actually happy. KDE4 simply crashes too much (yes, it STILL does) to get anything -- not any "work", but actually anything -- done. Having said that, I wouldn't say that KDE3 sitting on top of KDE4 is actually all bad. In my experience, it gives you a stable enough preview of many KDE4 programs (which are generally very good and stable, to the contrary of KDE4 desktop environment as such). Now, about nice and new... Hmm ... I'm hard pressed here. Well, at least, not many things are actually WORSE than openSuSE11.0. You should see Mandriva -- 2009 is a huge step back from 2008, and I mean HUGE! Compared to that, openSUSE11.1 is roughly on a par with 11.0. Which is not bad, since 11.0 was an excellent distro. Nice and new? Well, 64-bit actually works very well, so there's ever fewer compelling reasons why you should still put off embracing the 64-bit architecture which definitely represents the unavoidable -- in other words, the future. Then, as already said, running KDE4 programs within KDE3 is actually a pleasing experience. No major incompatibilities to speak of, a coherent interface, stability, updated features. In my view, the major advantage of running KDE4 programs is that they allow you to actually stick with the stable KDE3 which is slowly loosing support and still get all the programs supported and updated. In my view, it's definitely the way to go, also allowing the developers to concentrate on only one version of given programs. That goes for Kontact, Ktorrent, Kmail, and many more. On the other hand, now that you make me think about it, there are many many programs that have been actually screwed up in the passage from 11.0: on my system, those not working anymore or having glitches are: Kwallet, Krusader, Krename, my beloved Conky is not in the repos anymore, and so on and so on... Dne Tuesday 30 December 2008 ob 08:41:26 je kanenas@hawaii.rr.com napisal(a):

so, if i am willing to put up with the goofy updating process, is there anything else that I can gain if i drop my trusty old 10.3 -32 bit or "racy" 10.3 x86-64 for 11.0 or 11.1? I tried hard to find something great and brand new by myself but I have failed. Itried 11.0 with kde4 for half hour, that was my limit. tried it again with kde3, it seemed ok, nothing new to me, then the news came that kde3 actually sits on top of -4 in 11.0, that killed it for me. please do not take this as just another kde4 bashing thread attempt, i am sure there are thousands of happy users out there, God bless you all! but i am not ready for it yet, so i am trying to find other advances in 11.0 /11.1. there is a lot of talk about partitioning, sound, boot, cd/dvd, printing and other issues, but there is little talk about *nice and new* things. can we please start listing some of them? again, please exclude the kde4 shtuff. thanks, d.

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so, if i am willing to put up with the goofy updating process, is there anything else that I can gain if i drop my trusty old 10.3 -32 bit or "racy" 10.3 x86-64 for 11.0 or 11.1?

The package management in 11.0 is much better than in 10.3. As for kde, simply install the 3x version alone, it works fine. Or wait a month or two and see if 11.1 glitches are ironed out. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklaBNcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WWLwCgiKNXB63WU0rjJ38h4PGjosRk ZagAn1tXlzkuQhzySojpLkrSFfa/xWKs =CftI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org