Re: Re: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;))
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:46:19 -0500, Bryan Tyson
On Saturday 16 February 2002 10:09, Dwaine wrote:
As linux companies get a taste of money they have started to become like Microsoft, as we know is one of the best at raking in revenue. Just in the past year or year and half Suse and Mandrake had two releases each with no free upgrades. Suse quit providing ISOs for x86; with each turn of the corner linux companies decrease benefits and scam you for more money, this will continue to increase.
You must be joking. Buy the boxed set and quit complaining. For all you get they're practically giving it away.
In the coming years linux marketing will be no different than the other evil empire. It won't be long and people will be angry at linux and be looking for alternatives.
In my opinion the terms of GNU licensing and the nature of the open source community will prevent this from happening.
Myself have found Windows 2000 a much better OS than any linux I've worked with, W2k always runs faster and has a well laid out GUI with polished features; KDE is clunky and slow with a 100x more bugs and hicups than you will ever find in Windows 2000.
Win2k is the best version of Windows I've used. However, it does not come close to the enjoyment I get from my SuSE/KDE system. SuSE has the additional advantage that when I buy the pro set for $70 I not only have an outstanding OS, but 2300 applications that include virtually anything I could possibly need. Contrastingly, once I pay my $200 or whatever Win2k pro costs, I still need to spend hundreds or even thousands to load the system with the applications I need to be productive.
I think Microsoft is excellent at developing a product if they concentrated there efforts on a version of linux they would blow the doors off all other linux companies.
I agree MS has produced some very nice software. MS has also produced some poor software. Whether or not they could "blow the doors off" other Linux companies is not at all certain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok, everything above this line i dont give a crap about, it aint got nothing to do with me, everything below it, tho does
Ever seince SuSE version 7.1, SuSE has decided to become little money hungry >bastards and they no longer have the install ISO's on line, but they are available to paying >customers.
This poster is the one who sounds money hungry to me. In my opinion, if we want SuSE and other companies to be able to continue releasing this great software, the least we can do is buy the box.
have you even read any of my other posts conserning this? It sounds like you havent. AGAIN ----------- I do fully belive in supporting people that make good products, SuSE makes excelent Software. And I DO SUPPORT them WHEN and WHERE EVER I can. I just dont make a whole fuck load of money like some people I basicaly live pay check to pay check. AND CAN NOT AFFORD to go out and buy SuSE every damn time they come out with a new release of their distro. I am in NOW WAY attacking their software, instead I AM Attacking their buisness decision to remove their ISO's off of their FTP server. This really screws people like me, people courious about suse, and newbies alike, because they left with the option of 1) package by package download and install off of the hdd (and belive me, ALOT of people dont know how to do this) 2) ftp install (again alot of people really dont know how to go about doing this) 3) buying it (SuSE hopes for this) AND alot of people that want to try out suse dont want to go spend the money on something they might not like, and dont want to get the live eval cd's because it really doesnt do anything for them or they would rather use demo linux or already have demo linux. So alot of newbies and courious parties move on because like I said up there ALOT of people dont know how to go about download and installing from the hard drive or doing an ftp install. also, there just isnt a whole lot from suse on the subjects concerning the download package by package, and what there is isnt very helpfull, there is not to much out there on ftp install either. so most people are just about left with the 3rd option and this is EXACTLY what SuSE want, and that is a buisness decission that I dont agree with. I AM NOT money hungry or anything like that. And I dont not wish to see the fall of SuSE. I just think that they should go back to having the minimal istall iso's on their ftp site and mirrors. plain and simple
Well, I would just say to the rants about no .iso's is this plain and simple. Get the f**k over it. It's not changing..it's the way it is. And they are going to continue to do it this way so they survive and are able to pay for all the development they do. Wasting everyone's time on this list bitching about something that has been in effect for 2 version..is just beating a tired, dead old horse. Cheers! -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
On Saturday 16 February 2002 08:15 pm, one_inch wrote:
I basicaly live pay check to pay check. AND CAN NOT AFFORD to go out and buy SuSE every damn
If you "live from paycheck to paycheck" as you claim, how can you afford the broadband connection neccesary to download ISOs but do not have enough money to spend on SuSE Personal, the equivalent of the three-ISO download distribution other distros offer? (Also, even if you buy Personal rather than Professional, you still can download all of the Professional packages you want via ftp; which is no longer at that point as difficult a task.)
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:58:35 -0500, Joshua Lee
On Saturday 16 February 2002 08:15 pm, one_inch wrote:
I basicaly live pay check to pay check. AND CAN NOT AFFORD to go out and buy SuSE every damn
If you "live from paycheck to paycheck" as you claim, how can you afford the broadband connection neccesary to download ISOs but do not have enough money to spend on SuSE Personal, the equivalent of the three-ISO download distribution other distros offer? (Also, even if you buy Personal rather than Professional, you still can download all of the Professional packages you want via ftp; which is no longer at that point as difficult a task.)
i dont have broadband i used to be on a 28.8 untill about a month ago. and yes i would sit there for about a week dowloading that iso. Resuming and everything. Patience is the key.
You might consider running Debian Woody, available for free.
I was previously using it with good results before moving to
SuSE 7.2 Professional, and then SuSE 7.3 Professional.
Chris Shaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "one_inch"
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:58:35 -0500, Joshua Lee
wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 08:15 pm, one_inch wrote:
I basicaly live pay check to pay check. AND CAN NOT AFFORD to go out and buy SuSE every damn
If you "live from paycheck to paycheck" as you claim, how can you afford
broadband connection neccesary to download ISOs but do not have enough money to spend on SuSE Personal, the equivalent of the three-ISO download distribution other distros offer? (Also, even if you buy Personal rather
Professional, you still can download all of the Professional packages you want via ftp; which is no longer at that point as difficult a task.)
i dont have broadband i used to be on a 28.8 untill about a month ago. and yes i would sit there for about a week dowloading that iso. Resuming and everything. Patience is
the than the key.
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Hello "Christopher John Shaker"
You might consider running Debian Woody, available for free.
I was previously using it with good results before moving to SuSE 7.2 Professional, and then SuSE 7.3 Professional.
Chris Shaker
----- Original Message ----- From: "one_inch"
To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 5:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;)) On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:58:35 -0500, Joshua Lee
wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 08:15 pm, one_inch wrote:
I basicaly live pay check to pay check. AND CAN NOT AFFORD to go out and buy SuSE every damn
If you "live from paycheck to paycheck" as you claim, how can you afford
broadband connection neccesary to download ISOs but do not have enough money to spend on SuSE Personal, the equivalent of the three-ISO download distribution other distros offer? (Also, even if you buy Personal rather
Professional, you still can download all of the Professional packages you want via ftp; which is no longer at that point as difficult a task.)
i dont have broadband i used to be on a 28.8 untill about a month ago. and yes i would sit there for about a week dowloading that iso. Resuming and everything. Patience is
the than the key.
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Hello "Christopher John Shaker"
, Just out of curiosity. What made you move from Debian GNU/Linux to SuSE?
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:16:48 -0800 "Christopher John Shaker"
wrote: You might consider running Debian Woody, available for free.
I was previously using it with good results before moving to SuSE 7.2 Professional, and then SuSE 7.3 Professional.
Chris Shaker
----- Original Message ----- From: "one_inch"
To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 5:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;)) On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:58:35 -0500, Joshua Lee
On Saturday 16 February 2002 08:15 pm, one_inch wrote:
I basicaly live pay check to pay check. AND CAN NOT AFFORD to go out and buy SuSE every damn
If you "live from paycheck to paycheck" as you claim, how can you afford
broadband connection neccesary to download ISOs but do not have enough money to spend on SuSE Personal, the equivalent of the three-ISO download distribution other distros offer? (Also, even if you buy Personal rather
wrote: the than
Professional, you still can download all of the Professional
I moved from Debian Woody (installed over Corel Linux 1.2 Deluxe)
to SuSE 7.2 to get a supported platform for VmWare, which has turned
out to be a pain in the rear application.
VmWare ran aok on my old uniprocessor system. It is a pain in the rear
to get it working on an SMP K7 machine with 7.3 professional.
I've got a flight planning application which is only supported on Windows.
Chris Shaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Hsieh"
want via ftp; which is no longer at that point as difficult a task.)
i dont have broadband i used to be on a 28.8 untill about a month ago. and yes i would sit there for about a week dowloading that iso. Resuming and everything. Patience is
you the key.
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-- Patrick Hsieh
On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 10:31, Christopher John Shaker wrote:
I moved from Debian Woody (installed over Corel Linux 1.2 Deluxe) to SuSE 7.2 to get a supported platform for VmWare, which has turned out to be a pain in the rear application.
VmWare ran aok on my old uniprocessor system. It is a pain in the rear to get it working on an SMP K7 machine with 7.3 professional.
I've got a flight planning application which is only supported on Windows.
Chris Shaker
Did you try Wine and perhaps winex? Do they have a demo of their app? Matt
Did you try Wine and perhaps winex? Do they have a demo of their app? Matt
I've used the version of Wine that came with my Corel Linux. It was kind of klunky. VmWare seems much better when it works on your machine. I don't know anything about winex yet. How is win4linux (name?)? Thanks! Chris
On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 13:12, Christopher John Shaker wrote:
Did you try Wine and perhaps winex? Do they have a demo of their app? Matt
I've used the version of Wine that came with my Corel Linux. It was kind of klunky. VmWare seems much better when it works on your machine.
That was some time ago, or in Linux history...Ancient.
I don't know anything about winex yet.
Winex is basically designed for 3D games, but sometimes does very well for non-3D games.
How is win4linux (name?)?
Win4lin? Not sure :).
Thanks! Chris
I've used the version of Wine that came with my Corel Linux. It was kind of klunky. VmWare seems much better when it works on your machine.
That was some time ago, or in Linux history...Ancient.
True. Is the current Wine good?
I don't know anything about winex yet.
Winex is basically designed for 3D games, but sometimes does very well for non-3D games.
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
How is win4linux (name?)?
Win4lin? Not sure :).
Thanks! Chris Shaker
Hi All, but some will not think so for long. Lets remember one fact & drop all the "I can pee higher up the wall mentality-because I have purchased every SuSE since natural selection created the universe...." Hello-are there any adults here? I thought so. Now-ISO's & the fact to remember. The Distro's of Tux making the most $$$$ are the same distros that issue non-crippled iso'z! Now, would all the puritans pay attention to this fact & one Logical consequence from it? SuSE is pursuing a business strategy that is failing them = *reality cheque* Why should I bother to point this out? I want SuSE to succeed, as I regard it as a well engineered Distro of Tux. So, keep up the good work guys-but do your selves & your pay cheques a favour; don't artificially limit your market share to a collection of mis-guided, puritanical fanatics or yo may fall over like BE did & Mac almost did. Greek Geek :-) The Society for the Protection of Tux ISO's--GG
* Haralambos Geortgilakis (haralambos@ihug.co.nz) [020217 13:31]: ->The Distro's of Tux making the most $$$$ are the same distros that issue ->non-crippled iso'z! Untrue. Mandrake and Redhat have coffers of money that have been supplied by going public and raising capitol by issuing stock. SuSE is still private so they raise capitol by getting investors such as IBM, Intel and Compaq to name a few. Sun will most likely invest in them as well because SuSE has the most complete Ultrasparc and Sparc distribution out there today. Never confuse private investments with going broke or not succeeding. And PLEASE do not bring up the Oakland office as an example of them failing. No one that didn't work for SuSE really knows what that deal was about. I *do* and I can say that the failure with the Oakland office had *NOTHING* to do with whether or not they issued .iso's. I believe Corel distributed fully functional iso's as did Progeny and Stormix and many other truely failed distributions. In case you didn't know it SuSE works on very, very high profile deals with IBM such as the install of an S/390 mainframe at the NASQ and Telia.net. They are doing quite well. Just because they have a new CEO and CTO doesn't mean they are failing. You really don't know what happened in these cases..nor does the public media. ->Now, would all the puritans pay attention to this fact & one Logical ->consequence from it? I'm not sure what this means?! The puritan Linux geeks think everything should be free or at such a low cost as to drive everything back to a hippie commune type way of doing things. Let me tell anyone who cares to listen. Big Business *doesn't* respond well to this type of thing. It's only since Linux has gone sort of corp. that they are buying into it. Corp's pay tons of money for useless crap which they think will give peace of mind. For Linux to stay in developement..true inventive development it needs Corporations to back it and Goverenments as well. Do you really think that a Peace, Love and Linux really sways Governments..hell no. It's just a cut marketing ploy. They want speed, security and peace of mind that they are not wasting their time and also that they are not leaving themselves open to attack by using crapware. Why do you think the U.S. Government has been moving away from Microsoft accept for the desktop over the last few years. ->SuSE is pursuing a business strategy that is failing them = *reality ->cheque* Reality is how people percieve it to be..and it's not always the way it seems. If one doesn't have all the facts reality can look an aweful lot like the hope that Steve Ballmer will ever have real hair again. *grin* Cheers! -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
Hi All & Ben, who typed a great deal! [:-)] For a fruitless discussion-it has borne a lot of fruit..... Yes? Now Ben.... I take it that the money investors pour into Tux, be they corporations or individuals, is still money? So the distinction you make between Mandrake & Redhat vs SuSE, is irrelevant. What all three of these Distro's must do, is make a good return on the investment or else it is "what is next, time?" I did not bring up the Oakland Office-you did.... Do I know what happens behind closed doors? Only if I have someone on the other side. No comment. I am not claiming, that SuSE will automatically succeed, if they issue non-crippled iso'z. I am aware of the cases of Corel, etc. RIP. I am claiming they will *probably* increase their market share, a weaker claim. I am aware of SuSE'z high profile stuff. It is high profile.... <snip> I'm not sure what this means?! <snip> Re-read what I typed, it is rather clear. <snip> For Linux to stay in developement..true inventive development it needs Corporations to back it <snip> *WTF * That thesis is plainly false. "Big business" hopped on the tails of Tux in the latter 1990's, after much development had occured. Also, you just insulted & belittled many, many coders out their (who made Tux what it was B4 "Big Business came on the scene), by that very odd claim. Bad Ben! Aspects of "Big business" in the USA (& globally), are patently dysfunctional. Enron? Global warming? Global Poverty? The belief that big business knows best & is not responsible for the aforesaid effects, is literally toxic to all life on earth. As Rage Against the Machine sing, "wake up!" <snip> Reality is how people percieve it to be <snip> This thesis is plainly false. Counter example: The world is not flat, but sort of round, (not because of my or your perception); but because of the physical state of affairs that exisited before I or you were born & I hope for many eaons after we have gone. Indeed, it was the case B4 our species even evolved. You can have a fantasy that the world is flat, but it is in fact round-ish. The universe exists independent of our perception of it. We need to pay attention to our perception of it or else we get into all sorts of bother-like global warming or hurting your toe-when we bump into the hard facts.... <snip> If one doesn't have all the facts reality can look an aweful lot like the hope that Steve Ballmer will ever have real hair again. <snip> A hair transplant? Ask Elton John.... If I could afford one, I wouldn't. I'd rather give the $$$$ to Greenpeace or one of many (to many) other good causes. Now, I had better be off towards some gainful employment myself. *BFN * Greek Geek [:-)] The Society for the Protection of Tux ISO's--GG Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Haralambos Geortgilakis ( haralambos@ihug.co.nz) [020217 13:31]:
->The Distro's of Tux making the most $$$$ are the same distros that issue ->non-crippled iso'z!
Untrue. Mandrake and Redhat have coffers of money that have been supplied by going public and raising capitol by issuing stock.
SuSE is still private so they raise capitol by getting investors such as IBM, Intel and Compaq to name a few. Sun will most likely invest in them as well because SuSE has the most complete Ultrasparc and Sparc distribution out there today.
Never confuse private investments with going broke or not succeeding. And PLEASE do not bring up the Oakland office as an example of them failing. No one that didn't work for SuSE really knows what that deal was about. I *do * and I can say that the failure with the Oakland office had *NOTHING * to do with whether or not they issued .iso's.
I believe Corel distributed fully functional iso's as did Progeny and Stormix and many other truely failed distributions.
In case you didn't know it SuSE works on very, very high profile deals with IBM such as the install of an S/390 mainframe at the NASQ and Telia.net. They are doing quite well. Just because they have a new CEO and CTO doesn't mean they are failing. You really don't know what happened in these cases..nor does the public media.
->Now, would all the puritans pay attention to this fact & one Logical ->consequence from it?
I'm not sure what this means?! The puritan Linux geeks think everything should be free or at such a low cost as to drive everything back to a hippie commune type way of doing things. Let me tell anyone who cares to listen. Big Business * doesn't* respond well to this type of thing. It's only since Linux has gone sort of corp. that they are buying into it. Corp's pay tons of money for useless crap which they think will give peace of mind. For Linux to stay in developement..true inventive development it needs Corporations to back it and Goverenments as well. Do you really think that a Peace, Love and Linux really sways Governments..hell no. It's just a cut marketing ploy. They want speed, security and peace of mind that they are not wasting their time and also that they are not leaving themselves open to attack by using crapware. Why do you think the U.S. Government has been moving away from Microsoft accept for the desktop over the last few years.
->SuSE is pursuing a business strategy that is failing them = *reality ->cheque*
Reality is how people percieve it to be..and it's not always the way it seems. If one doesn't have all the facts reality can look an aweful lot like the hope that Steve Ballmer will ever have real hair again. *grin*
Cheers!
-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
Red Hat and Mandrake need to satisfy their investors (and still take their customers money), SuSE is free to satisfy their customers (who are paying them for a product). Public companies seem to lose sight quickly of the fact that they sell a product to customers and wind up short ending their customers for their investors. I would much rather deal with a company with the incentive to put me first. If at some time wall street, and all of it's sisters get their priorities straight, things may change, but for now it is short term profits over long term quality. On Monday 18 February 2002 13:32, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
Hi All & Ben,
who typed a great deal! [:-)]
For a fruitless discussion-it has borne a lot of fruit..... Yes?
Now Ben.... I take it that the money investors pour into Tux, be they corporations or individuals, is still money?
So the distinction you make between Mandrake & Redhat vs SuSE, is irrelevant.
What all three of these Distro's must do, is make a good return on the investment or else it is "what is next, time?"
I did not bring up the Oakland Office-you did.... Do I know what happens behind closed doors? Only if I have someone on the other side. No comment.
I am not claiming, that SuSE will automatically succeed, if they issue non-crippled iso'z. I am aware of the cases of Corel, etc. RIP.
I am claiming they will *probably* increase their market share, a weaker claim.
I am aware of SuSE'z high profile stuff. It is high profile....
<snip>
I'm not sure what this means?!
<snip>
Re-read what I typed, it is rather clear.
<snip>
For Linux to stay in developement..true inventive development it needs Corporations to back it
<snip>
*WTF *
That thesis is plainly false. "Big business" hopped on the tails of Tux in the latter 1990's, after much development had occured. Also, you just insulted & belittled many, many coders out their (who made Tux what it was B4 "Big Business came on the scene), by that very odd claim.
Bad Ben!
Aspects of "Big business" in the USA (& globally), are patently dysfunctional. Enron? Global warming? Global Poverty? The belief that big business knows best & is not responsible for the aforesaid effects, is literally toxic to all life on earth.
As Rage Against the Machine sing, "wake up!"
<snip>
Reality is how people percieve it to be
<snip>
This thesis is plainly false. Counter example: The world is not flat, but sort of round, (not because of my or your perception); but because of the physical state of affairs that exisited before I or you were born & I hope for many eaons after we have gone. Indeed, it was the case B4 our species even evolved.
You can have a fantasy that the world is flat, but it is in fact round-ish.
The universe exists independent of our perception of it. We need to pay attention to our perception of it or else we get into all sorts of bother-like global warming or hurting your toe-when we bump into the hard facts....
<snip>
If one doesn't have all the facts reality can look an aweful lot like the hope that Steve Ballmer will ever have real hair again.
<snip>
A hair transplant? Ask Elton John....
If I could afford one, I wouldn't. I'd rather give the $$$$ to Greenpeace or one of many (to many) other good causes.
Now, I had better be off towards some gainful employment myself.
*BFN *
Greek Geek [:-)]
The Society for the Protection of Tux ISO's--GG
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Haralambos Geortgilakis ( haralambos@ihug.co.nz) [020217 13:31]:
->The Distro's of Tux making the most $$$$ are the same distros that issue ->non-crippled iso'z!
Untrue. Mandrake and Redhat have coffers of money that have been supplied by going public and raising capitol by issuing stock.
SuSE is still private so they raise capitol by getting investors such as IBM, Intel and Compaq to name a few. Sun will most likely invest in them as well because SuSE has the most complete Ultrasparc and Sparc distribution out there today.
Never confuse private investments with going broke or not succeeding. And PLEASE do not bring up the Oakland office as an example of them failing. No one that didn't work for SuSE really knows what that deal was about. I *do * and I can say that the failure with the Oakland office had *NOTHING * to do with whether or not they issued .iso's.
I believe Corel distributed fully functional iso's as did Progeny and Stormix and many other truely failed distributions.
In case you didn't know it SuSE works on very, very high profile deals with IBM such as the install of an S/390 mainframe at the NASQ and Telia.net. They are doing quite well. Just because they have a new CEO and CTO doesn't mean they are failing. You really don't know what happened in these cases..nor does the public media.
->Now, would all the puritans pay attention to this fact & one Logical ->consequence from it?
I'm not sure what this means?! The puritan Linux geeks think everything should be free or at such a low cost as to drive everything back to a hippie commune type way of doing things. Let me tell anyone who cares to listen. Big Business * doesn't* respond well to this type of thing. It's only since Linux has gone sort of corp. that they are buying into it. Corp's pay tons of money for useless crap which they think will give peace of mind. For Linux to stay in developement..true inventive development it needs Corporations to back it and Goverenments as well. Do you really think that a Peace, Love and Linux really sways Governments..hell no. It's just a cut marketing ploy. They want speed, security and peace of mind that they are not wasting their time and also that they are not leaving themselves open to attack by using crapware. Why do you think the U.S. Government has been moving away from Microsoft accept for the desktop over the last few years.
->SuSE is pursuing a business strategy that is failing them = *reality ->cheque*
Reality is how people percieve it to be..and it's not always the way it seems. If one doesn't have all the facts reality can look an aweful lot like the hope that Steve Ballmer will ever have real hair again. *grin*
Cheers!
-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
On Monday 18 February 2002 04:28 pm, mike wrote:
Red Hat and Mandrake need to satisfy their investors (and still take their customers money), SuSE is free to satisfy their customers (who are paying them for a product). Public companies seem to lose sight quickly of the
Although I agree that SuSE serves it's customers better than RH or 'Drake, it should be pointed out that I vaguely remember hearing that SuSE has gone through a reorganization having in mind going public.
On Monday 18 February 2002 21:57, Joshua Lee wrote:
On Monday 18 February 2002 04:28 pm, mike wrote:
Red Hat and Mandrake need to satisfy their investors (and still take their customers money), SuSE is free to satisfy their customers (who are paying them for a product). Public companies seem to lose sight quickly of the
Although I agree that SuSE serves it's customers better than RH or 'Drake, it should be pointed out that I vaguely remember hearing that SuSE has gone through a reorganization having in mind going public.
Public, private, it's all the same. If the company is well-run and stays focused, it will serve customers well and therefore please investors. It's when the company loses focus that the problems start. -- dj tuchler dtuchler@earthlink.net
participants (9)
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Ben Rosenberg
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Christopher John Shaker
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Dennis J.Tuchler
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Haralambos Geortgilakis
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Joshua Lee
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Matthew Johnson
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mike
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one_inch
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Patrick Hsieh