I've tried with limited success to restrict the applications that my daughters 'see' when they login with there accounts. The Menu Editing feature seems flaky. I've noticed this with just about every distro I've used and Gnome used to have similar issues. If I remove a menuitem, it won't take effect for some time. Often, it will not remove the item at all, but simply move it to "Applications" and then I have to "re-delete" the item. It just seems like venturing into the edit tool is to do so with low expectations. Has anyone else seen this? -- <<JAV>>
* Joe Polk <listuser@javelinux.com> [10-06-04 13:31]:
I've tried with limited success to restrict the applications that my daughters 'see' when they login with there accounts. The Menu Editing feature seems flaky.
try a different window manager, Xfce4 would be a good candidate. Build your own menus. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
Joe Polk wrote:
I've tried with limited success to restrict the applications that my daughters 'see' when they login with there accounts. The Menu Editing feature seems flaky. I've noticed this with just about every distro I've used and Gnome used to have similar issues. If I remove a menuitem, it won't take effect for some time. Often, it will not remove the item at all, but simply move it to "Applications" and then I have to "re-delete" the item. It just seems like venturing into the edit tool is to do so with low expectations. Has anyone else seen this?
I've found upgrading KDE fixes the problem. I can understand a problem such as that appearing once, but when it appears in more than one version, and there have been complaints about it, I have to question how much testing is performed.
I would agree. One huge complaint I had with RHat and to some extent still have with many distro's is QA is that you can do a fresh load, standard "accept all defaults" install of so many distro's and somethings just don't work. By that I mean, clicking on icon does nothing. I'm sure errors paste back to the console but to the X user, nothing happens. If they don't work, they shouldn't be there. The idea of bundling everything in by default is not good. Someone should be sitting in a room and coming out saying, "All this sh*t don't work." Great! Let's pull that. In the case of menu editting and such, then the answer is don't release it! I recall a Gnome release once that completely removed the menu editting tool, but they released it anyway. Why would you? hehe <<JAV>> -- ---------- Original Message ----------- From: James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:50:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLE] KDE Menu editing
Joe Polk wrote:
I've tried with limited success to restrict the applications that my daughters 'see' when they login with there accounts. The Menu Editing feature seems flaky. I've noticed this with just about every distro I've used and Gnome used to have similar issues. If I remove a menuitem, it won't take effect for some time. Often, it will not remove the item at all, but simply move it to "Applications" and then I have to "re-delete" the item. It just seems like venturing into the edit tool is to do so with low expectations. Has anyone else seen this?
I've found upgrading KDE fixes the problem. I can understand a problem such as that appearing once, but when it appears in more than one version, and there have been complaints about it, I have to question how much testing is performed.
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Joe Polk wrote:
I would agree. One huge complaint I had with RHat and to some extent still have with many distro's is QA is that you can do a fresh load, standard "accept all defaults" install of so many distro's and somethings just don't work. By that I mean, clicking on icon does nothing. I'm sure errors paste back to the console but to the X user, nothing happens. If they don't work, they shouldn't be there. The idea of bundling everything in by default is not good. Someone should be sitting in a room and coming out saying, "All this sh*t don't work." Great! Let's pull that. In the case of menu editting and such, then the answer is don't release it! I recall a Gnome release once that completely removed the menu editting tool, but they released it anyway. Why would you? hehe
I used to do integration testing at IBM, and I'd have been fired for passing off what I see in SuSE. In my deptartment, we put together standard desktop systems, for IBM Canada, on OS/2 (my specialty) and Windows 95 & NT. We all also had applications, which we supported on all systems. We had weekly build meetings, where we discussed problems & fixes etc. If something couldn't be fixed, or a reasonable work around developed, the app was pulled. We also had a lot of communications with the developers, both within and outside IBM, regarding problems with the various apps. Incidentally, one thing I noticed was that problems with OS/2 & apps were very rare. Windows 95 caused most of the problems and NT, while far better than W95, wasn't anywhere near as good as OS/2.
What I have seen in the last 4-5 years of using Linux is that there seems to be a reluctance to let some apps go. I see a lot of the same apps on the menu tree that appear to have changed very little and often crash. As for my menu editting, I suppose I will go to the newest version. I don't expect much so there's plenty of room for surprise. -- <<JAV>> ---------- Original Message ----------- From: James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:04:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLE] KDE Menu editing
Joe Polk wrote:
I would agree. One huge complaint I had with RHat and to some extent still have with many distro's is QA is that you can do a fresh load, standard "accept all defaults" install of so many distro's and somethings just don't work. By that I mean, clicking on icon does nothing. I'm sure errors paste back to the console but to the X user, nothing happens. If they don't work, they shouldn't be there. The idea of bundling everything in by default is not good. Someone should be sitting in a room and coming out saying, "All this sh*t don't work." Great! Let's pull that. In the case of menu editting and such, then the answer is don't release it! I recall a Gnome release once that completely removed the menu editting tool, but they released it anyway. Why would you? hehe
I used to do integration testing at IBM, and I'd have been fired for passing off what I see in SuSE. In my deptartment, we put together standard desktop systems, for IBM Canada, on OS/2 (my specialty) and Windows 95 & NT. We all also had applications, which we supported on all systems. We had weekly build meetings, where we discussed problems & fixes etc. If something couldn't be fixed, or a reasonable work around developed, the app was pulled. We also had a lot of communications with the developers, both within and outside IBM, regarding problems with the various apps. Incidentally, one thing I noticed was that problems with OS/2 & apps were very rare. Windows 95 caused most of the problems and NT, while far better than W95, wasn't anywhere near as good as OS/2.
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I've tried with limited success to restrict the applications that my daughters 'see' when they login with there accounts. The Menu Editing feature seems flaky. I've noticed this with just about every distro I've used and Gnome used to have similar issues. If I remove a menuitem, it won't take effect for some time. Often, it will not remove the item at all, but simply move it to "Applications" and then I have to "re-delete" the item. It just seems like venturing into the edit tool is to do so with low expectations. Has anyone else seen this?
-- <<JAV>> Hi All I've been trying to edit the menu for a while using KDE 3.2.1 on SUSE 9.1, all I wanted to do was add two items , I put one in Office and one in system using the menu editor and now those two sub menus won't expand in the menu editor although they both have + next to them. So I can't edit my entries at all now. From what has been said in this thread it seems the menu editor don't work as it should, all I have to say to the development team for the
On Wednesday 06 October 2004 19:10, Joe Polk wrote: menu editor is SHAME ON YOU. I've been looking for a way to manually edit a config file or what ever is used for the menus but so far have not found one the does the job. If someone knows where it is and how to remove entries please let me know. TIA Stewart
Stewart Taylor wrote:
Hi All I've been trying to edit the menu for a while using KDE 3.2.1 on SUSE 9.1, all I wanted to do was add two items , I put one in Office and one in system using the menu editor and now those two sub menus won't expand in the menu editor although they both have + next to them. So I can't edit my entries at all now. From what has been said in this thread it seems the menu editor don't work as it should, all I have to say to the development team for the menu editor is SHAME ON YOU. I've been looking for a way to manually edit a config file or what ever is used for the menus but so far have not found one the does the job. If someone knows where it is and how to remove entries please let me know.
I upgraded to KDE 3.2.3, to solve that problem.
It's really a shame that KDE has been out this long, with so many distro's and they wait until 3.2.1 to fix it? Is this an inside joke with the KDE team? (and Gnome because their editor sucks too!) -- ---------- Original Message ----------- From: James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:51:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLE] KDE Menu editing
Stewart Taylor wrote:
Hi All I've been trying to edit the menu for a while using KDE 3.2.1 on SUSE 9.1, all I wanted to do was add two items , I put one in Office and one in system using the menu editor and now those two sub menus won't expand in the menu editor although they both have + next to them. So I can't edit my entries at all now. From what has been said in this thread it seems the menu editor don't work as it should, all I have to say to the development team for the menu editor is SHAME ON YOU. I've been looking for a way to manually edit a config file or what ever is used for the menus but so far have not found one the does the job. If someone knows where it is and how to remove entries please let me know.
I upgraded to KDE 3.2.3, to solve that problem.
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