Re: [opensuse] 11.0 KDE 4 {Not Ready for Prime Time - We told you so!}
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Raskolnikov Tkachuk <raskolnikov.tkachuk@gmail.com>
Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday 20 June 2008 10:38:21 pm John Andersen wrote:
What's the point? The KDE team know all the things that are missing.
Something will be added first, vote for that with bug report.
How about: Don't release incomplete software without explicitly labeling it as ALPHA.
If I write a "scientific calculator" and I only implement addition and subtraction and it doesn't crash... it would be downright dishonest to release it as version 1.0, on the grounds that multiply and divide will be introduced in version 1.1, and logrithms, exponentials, powers, and roots will be dribbed out over versions 1.2.x, etc.. and not actually having what anyone REASONABLY expects of a scientific calculator in version 1.5.
This is "a crock of shit, and it stinks"...please stop trying to pass it off as "a vessel which contains something which promotes growth and is extremely powerful"
1. We know better
2. It makes SUSE and Novell look exceedingly dishonest for not being completely honest about the current state of KDE 4.
3. You're making a VERY bad impression on first-time SUSE Linux users -- especially those who have never used Linux and/or KDE before.
4. We told you so.
5. We told you so.
6. For how many months have we been telling you this, and you all refused to listen.
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Stop the FUD about Novell/SuSE. Fedora 9 also uses and promotes KDE4 -- Keith Boykin You are what you think - so always think positively! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/06/21 10:49 (GMT) Keith Boykin apparently typed:
Stop the FUD about Novell/SuSE. Fedora 9 also uses and promotes KDE4
I thought Fedora 9 "promoted" Gnome? In any event, KDE3 is not even optional in Fedora 9's installer. I spent some time on Freenode's #kde-devel a couple of weeks ago. I got the impression that KDE3 has so many features that no small group of people, much less any one person, has any mental or written catalog of them, and until people file bugs on what they find missing from KDE3, the missing features just don't get remembered, and thus don't get added. KDE4 is a scratch rewrite, not an "upgrade" in the traditional sense. For "bugs" (missing features) to get fixed, someone has to use KDE4 to identify what they are. So, let Fedora users and other people be the guinea pigs, and stick to KDE3 until such time as you can somehow discover KDE4 to be mature enough. Don't bother complaining about KDE4 as long as KDE3 exists. Just use KDE3. -- "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?" Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kbboykin@comcast.net wrote:
-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Raskolnikov Tkachuk <raskolnikov.tkachuk@gmail.com>
Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday 20 June 2008 10:38:21 pm John Andersen wrote:
What's the point? The KDE team know all the things that are missing. Something will be added first, vote for that with bug report.
How about: Don't release incomplete software without explicitly labeling it as ALPHA.
If I write a "scientific calculator" and I only implement addition and subtraction and it doesn't crash... it would be downright dishonest to release it as version 1.0, on the grounds that multiply and divide will be introduced in version 1.1, and logrithms, exponentials, powers, and roots will be dribbed out over versions 1.2.x, etc.. and not actually having what anyone REASONABLY expects of a scientific calculator in version 1.5.
This is "a crock of shit, and it stinks"...please stop trying to pass it off as "a vessel which contains something which promotes growth and is extremely powerful"
1. We know better
2. It makes SUSE and Novell look exceedingly dishonest for not being completely honest about the current state of KDE 4.
3. You're making a VERY bad impression on first-time SUSE Linux users -- especially those who have never used Linux and/or KDE before.
4. We told you so.
5. We told you so.
6. For how many months have we been telling you this, and you all refused to listen.
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Stop the FUD about Novell/SuSE. Fedora 9 also uses and promotes KDE4
So your argument is that two wrongs cancell each other out and convert themselves into two rights. Most people grow out of that type "but XYZ did it too!" excuse-making before reaching adulthood. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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