On Friday 06 April 2007 20:39:21 M Harris wrote:

so, I'm still waiting.

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... for a release of openSUSE that will more stable and bug-free than it currently is! I know... SLES and SLED are for that... and openSUSE is *supposed* to be bleeding edge...

Dunno... 10.2 is pretty rock solid for me. I've had zero problems that were not self induced. Fast stable etc etc. Granted I DON'T use zmd/zen/rug or whatever it's called... so.. give that zmd isn't installed and borking things up, 10.2 is the most stable and bug free SUSE I've had in a long time... since 9.3 I'd say. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Well......................except for Hal and

Never had a complaint about Hal. It just works for me. I do not need fixed mount points for automounted devices. I have never had it fail on me.

Stupid.............er.............uh..........I mean Smart.

Well.. Stupid/Smart isn't technically "part" of the default distro. I agree it's an annoying app - SmartGUI that is - compared to more intuitive and informative apps like Synaptic. I've been told by "those in the know" that the SmartGUI is undergoing a major overhaul, and the new interface should be more user friendly and less of an out of touch developer's idea of what is good. Fingers crossed.

and don't forget that stupid dog thingy.

Not installed... so no problem. :-) It does work in 10.2 though (in mine at least). I did have it running for a while, and when I did use it, it worked. I don't need it... I know where all my personal files are, so removed it as a redundant app

AND, can someone explain in SIMPLE English just what the h-e-double hockey sticks Aparmor is supposed to do. Near as I can tell all it does is take up space on my hard drive.

Curtis Rey had a good comment on AppArmor a few months ago (3 January): "If you're running AppArmor - Don't! It can interfere with apps and /dev access - it's designed for Enterprise/network servers with access to the outside world - generally overkill for home users and non-servers."

As for the Zen thing. Well, I find it quite useful, as long as you don't install the "updater" portion. If you don't install Zen Updater openSuSE Updater gets installed by default.

I noticed the openSUSE updater thing when I hunted down and killed Zen. I also stopped the openSUSE updater. I use Smart on a regular basis and my apps are all on the rather gory bleeding edge. So... 10.2 and problems... I see mainly Zen, Beagle/Kerry and AppArmor that people complain about as simply not working or causing untold levels of havoc on their installs. None of these 3 are critical, and can simply be removed without really being missed. Some don't like Hal for various reasons, but it seems to be rare that it's actually Hal that's broken.... more like personal choice where the user doesn't like how Hal handles mount points. Dunno... still seems to me that 10.2 is a pretty dang good release (after the post release patches are applied) :-) The core of it works very well. Like all software, it will never be perfect... but, as long as future releases work as good as or better than 10.2 I'm a happy camper. I have recommended 10.2 to a whole lot of people... first time users.. and they are getting on very well with it. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Some people reported satisfaction. I was avoiding it just because of posts of dissatisfaction, but it was never removed since zmd removal solved the problem, and it was actually running unconfigured.

Well with Beagle, I can see it being useful if you (meaning an average end user) are not organized and don't know where things are. For the most part I simply don't have a use for Beagle. I know where all my data is. It's all sorted into logical (for me) locations., and I can find it when I need to just by opening the right directory. I have yet to see a real use for Beagle... I'm sure it's there or it wouldn't be a part of the GUI desktop... but at least in my case, I have yet to actually see a practical use for it. I did have it installed for a while, and tinkered with it.. configured it... didn't have any issues with it... removed it because I didn't see the point. Maybe I missed the obvious. I am known to do that :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 07 April 2007 06:10:14 am Rajko M. wrote:

On Saturday 07 April 2007 07:24, Clayton wrote:

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Well with Beagle, I can see it being useful if you (meaning an average end user) are not organized and don't know where things are.  For the most part I simply don't have a use for Beagle.  I know where all my data is.  It's all sorted into logical (for me) locations., and I can find it when I need to just by opening the right directory.

I have yet to see a real use for Beagle... I'm sure it's there or it wouldn't be a part of the GUI desktop... but at least in my case, I have yet to actually see a practical use for it.

I did have it installed for a while, and tinkered with it.. configured it... didn't have any issues with it... removed it because I didn't see the point.

Maybe I missed the obvious.  I am known to do that :-)

Under my data is also mailbox, visited web sites, my archive few years old, not in focus and not maintained.

Beagle stores visited web sites? Even if the Firefox/Opera/IE/Seamonkey cache is deleted? Coolness! -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi,

On Saturday 07 April 2007 09:06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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Beagle stores visited web sites?

Even if the Firefox/Opera/IE/Seamonkey cache is deleted?

There is a Firefox extension which indexes web pages as you view them. It's completely separate from Firefox's internal cache. It's Firefox-specific, so it doesn't work with Opera or Seamonkey. On 4/7/07, Rajko M. wrote:

You can see in Kerry Beagle Configuration tab Backends, what is active. I don't see Firefox etc. at all. So that is not indexed.

Since it's an external program which is doing the indexing, it uses the IndexingService backend. But it's easier to just disable/remove the extension from Firefox if you don't want that info to be indexed. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 07 April 2007 07:22:27 am Joe Shaw wrote:

Hi,

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On Saturday 07 April 2007 09:06, Kai Ponte wrote:

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Beagle stores visited web sites?

Even if the Firefox/Opera/IE/Seamonkey cache is deleted?

There is a Firefox extension which indexes web pages as you view them. It's completely separate from Firefox's internal cache.

It's Firefox-specific, so it doesn't work with Opera or Seamonkey.

I see. I have all browsers set (on all operating systems) to delete the cache and all temporary files on exit. SOP for me. -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Well......................except for Hal and

Never had a complaint about Hal. It just works for me. I do not need fixed mount points for automounted devices. I have never had it fail on me. I can't access my external floppy, zip drive or hard drive. All USB. Mount fails with some stupid error. Mounting these drives worked wonderful until Hal came along. Bug report filed but no joy yet.

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Stupid.............er.............uh..........I mean Smart.

Well.. Stupid/Smart isn't technically "part" of the default distro. I agree it's an annoying app - SmartGUI that is - compared to more intuitive and informative apps like Synaptic. I've been told by "those in the know" that the SmartGUI is undergoing a major overhaul, and the new interface should be more user friendly and less of an out of touch developer's idea of what is good. Fingers crossed. I was referring to Smart Package Handler, or whatever the heck it is. Yast is far superior.

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and don't forget that stupid dog thingy.

Not installed... so no problem. :-) It does work in 10.2 though (in mine at least). I did have it running for a while, and when I did use it, it worked. I don't need it... I know where all my personal files are, so removed it as a redundant app When I tried to leave it out this last time it gave me so many dependency conflicts I just let it install. Nothing important, just

Clayton wrote: things like anything to do with KDE, or the OS. I could have tried just ignoring it but.......................................

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AND, can someone explain in SIMPLE English just what the h-e-double hockey sticks Aparmor is supposed to do. Near as I can tell all it does is take up space on my hard drive.

Curtis Rey had a good comment on AppArmor a few months ago (3 January):

"If you're running AppArmor - Don't! It can interfere with apps and /dev access - it's designed for Enterprise/network servers with access to the outside world - generally overkill for home users and non-servers."

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As for the Zen thing. Well, I find it quite useful, as long as you don't install the "updater" portion. If you don't install Zen Updater openSuSE Updater gets installed by default.

I noticed the openSUSE updater thing when I hunted down and killed Zen. I also stopped the openSUSE updater. I use Smart on a regular basis and my apps are all on the rather gory bleeding edge.

openSuSE Updater works great. Stupid, well............When I have tried it I just get so tired of trying to find anything I gave up. The way it categorizes everything is an exercise in absolute stupidity.

So... 10.2 and problems... I see mainly Zen, Beagle/Kerry and AppArmor that people complain about as simply not working or causing untold levels of havoc on their installs. None of these 3 are critical, and can simply be removed without really being missed.

Some don't like Hal for various reasons, but it seems to be rare that it's actually Hal that's broken.... more like personal choice where the user doesn't like how Hal handles mount points.

Dunno... still seems to me that 10.2 is a pretty dang good release (after the post release patches are applied) :-) The core of it works very well. Like all software, it will never be perfect... but, as long as future releases work as good as or better than 10.2 I'm a happy camper. I have recommended 10.2 to a whole lot of people... first time users.. and they are getting on very well with it.

C.

My 'ol Granpappy used to say if it ain't broke don't fix it. IMHO, Hal is an attempt to fix something that never was broke in the first place. Smart needs to have the K.I.S.S. Principle applied to it. Beagle, well it doesn't bother me like many others report. Just sort of sits there in the system tray or the bottom corner of Firefox, or whatever, and does nothing. If Beagle does a faster search than the built in "find" it might be well worth it. Just never tried it. Aparmor, about the same as Beagle. Just sort of sits there doing nothing. Zen, as I said before. Some parts of it work a treat. Just leave out the updater portion. It lets me install things that Yast won't/can't, like Gramps that isn't on any of the suse sites. Like from my local Download directory. - - (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton wrote:

What bug number is it? I'm kinda curious to take a look at what the issue is... not taht I can fix it or anything, but.. you know.. interested in what the problem is.

I've spent the past thirty minutes looking around the Novel site trying to find the bugs. Finally decided it was hopeless. I don't recall the bug number off hand. I "thought" it was connected to my ID, but I guess that's not the case. Anyway, whenever I try to mount any of the devices I get this message: "Method "Mount" with signature "ssas" on interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" doesn't exist" - - (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 06 April 2007 12:43, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Friday 06 April 2007 20:39:21 M Harris wrote:

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so, I'm still waiting.

For what?

Perfection and / or Godot, whichever arrives first... RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org