Novell: Public Service Announcement
Hello James, Sunday, May 29, 2005, 1:11:43 PM, you wrote:
Just emailed it to a few of my mates Sean -- ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: thecivvie@jabber.org AIM: tcobone Vodafone +353879120530 Winamp is stopped
Sean Rima wrote:
Hello James,
Sunday, May 29, 2005, 1:11:43 PM, you wrote:
Just emailed it to a few of my mates
Sean
Just watched it, nice and to the point, but I guess many of the patients don't recognise they have symptoms. I'll forward to a friend in Ireland who runs Linux under VMWare, he works for EMC, so he gets VMware free. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux for all Computing Tasks
Sean Rima wrote:
Hello James,
Sunday, May 29, 2005, 1:11:43 PM, you wrote:
Just emailed it to a few of my mates
Sean
Hey, when's this scheduled for a TV ad? J
James, On Sunday 29 May 2005 05:11, James Knott wrote:
Hilarious! But... Is it not the case that Novell discontinues support much sooner after a given distribution's release than Windows does? Windows NT 4 came out almost nine years ago. Which Linux distribution from 1996 is being supported today? By the way, did anybody else see severe lip-sync problems? It was way off when I viewed it. Was that intentional, or is something messed up on my system? Randall Schulz
On Sunday 29 May 2005 17:04, Randall R Schulz wrote:
But... Is it not the case that Novell discontinues support much sooner after a given distribution's release than Windows does? Windows NT 4 came out almost nine years ago. Which Linux distribution from 1996 is being supported today?
NT4 went End of life on december 31 2002. Up until December 31 2004 you could get "extended support" if you paid per incident. Today you can't even get that. Novell/SUSE's life cycle for business products is 5 years for all customers, with extended support available if you pay for it. And of course since you have the source you can always get third party options if you pay for it, which means you will never ever find yourself stranded like the scenario in the clip. If your business critically depends on it, there will always be an option
On Sunday 29 May 2005 8:04 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:
By the way, did anybody else see severe lip-sync problems? It was way off when I viewed it. Was that intentional, or is something messed up on my system?
Yes, I noticed the lip-sync issue but assumed it was probably my system. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-20a-default x86_64
On Sunday 29 May 2005 11:19, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Sunday 29 May 2005 8:04 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:
By the way, did anybody else see severe lip-sync problems? It was way off when I viewed it. Was that intentional, or is something messed up on my system?
Yes, I noticed the lip-sync issue but assumed it was probably my system.
I notice audio sync problems on all the linux systems I use for most flash/macromedia deliverd video. In the case of this video, the audio is playing a couple seconds after the video in Konqueror. In Mozilla it starts out with everything seeming to be in sync, but at times it falls to a several second lag, then gets back into sync again. Occasionally, in Mozilla I don't get any audio at all.
On Sunday 29 May 2005 10:04 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:
James,
On Sunday 29 May 2005 05:11, James Knott wrote:
Hilarious!
But... Is it not the case that Novell discontinues support much sooner after a given distribution's release than Windows does? Windows NT 4 came out almost nine years ago. Which Linux distribution from 1996 is being supported today?
By the way, did anybody else see severe lip-sync problems? It was way off when I viewed it. Was that intentional, or is something messed up on my system?
Randall Schulz
Yes, I saw the lip-synching problems as well. However, I'm very hard of hearing and have to lean into my laptop to hear it (although everyone else in town could hear it just fine). So, by the time I figured out what was being said, their lips were in just about the right spot. I have also sent this public announcement out to my friends! IT WAS SUPERB! Have a Wonderful $TIMEOFDAY ! Travis. -- There is no time like the pleasant.
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
It works fine here, in both Mozilla and Konqueror. It is a big file, so it may take some time to load. There should be two progress indicators. One for the download and the other for playback. There should also be some sound.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
It works fine here, in both Mozilla and Konqueror. It is a big file, so it may take some time to load. There should be two progress indicators. One for the download and the other for playback. There should also be some sound. I am have same problem as Carlos in Suse 9.1 when I try looking at this url. How can I check Konqueror for the correct plugin being installed. I also
On Sunday 29 May 2005 12:50 pm, James Knott wrote: tryed in Firefox with the same result. Any help would be appricated sincing I'd like to see this. I'm on a DSL link and waited awhile for it to load but say no action. -- Russ
On Monday 30 May 2005 08:31, Russ wrote:
I am have same problem as Carlos in Suse 9.1 when I try looking at this url. How can I check Konqueror for the correct plugin being installed. I also tryed in Firefox with the same result. Any help would be appricated sincing I'd like to see this. I'm on a DSL link and waited awhile for it to load but say no action.
I can see it with FlashPlayer 7 in Firefox (SuSE 9.1). Get FlashPlayer 7 from http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Sh... Then extract the files from install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz and, instead of running the installer, just copy the plugins to the plugin directory: cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/browser-plugins/ cp flashplayer.xpt /usr/lib/browser-plugins/ Restart Firefox and check with "about:plugins" in the address field that you got the Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25 plugin. Carlos (another one :) L.
On Sunday 29 May 2005 22:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
SUSE 9.3 with Konqueror and alcatel adsl router shows a Flash video just fine. Only the sound doesn't play because after the upgrade from SUSE 9.1 it somehow got disabled/uninstalled, but I don't really need sound on my PCs. It shows three people with mental problems caused by lack of NT support, then it shows them again being happy because of SUSE Enterprise Server. -- NSK http://portal.wikinerds.org
Hi, Carlos, On Sunday 29 May 2005 12:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
Are you sure you waited long enough for the content to arrive before you gave up? I assume your Flash player plug-in is installed and working properly.
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Randall Schulz
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 14:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
Are you sure you waited long enough for the content to arrive before you gave up?
Yahh, I left mozilla in the background while I went doing other things. When the connection went down for lack of activity, I remembered it and looked: empty.
I assume your Flash player plug-in is installed and working properly.
I don't remember, but I think it was; I was looking at some demo two weeks ago. I'll have to make sure: cer@nimrodel:~> ls /opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/ flashplayer.xpt libjavaplugin_oji.so libnullplugin.so nphelix.xpt nsdejavu.so libflashplayer.so libmozilla_bonobo.so nphelix.so nppdf.so There is a flashplayer thing there. And the "about plugins" box says: Shockwave Flash File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 6.0 r81 MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes Is that it? -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Carlos, On Monday 30 May 2005 02:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 14:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
...
I assume your Flash player plug-in is installed and working properly.
I don't remember, but I think it was; I was looking at some demo two weeks ago. I'll have to make sure:
...
There is a flashplayer thing there. And the "about plugins" box says:
Shockwave Flash
File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 6.0 r81
It seems you're behind the times: Shockwave Flash File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25 Get thee to <http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash>.
...
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Randall Schulz
The Monday 2005-05-30 at 06:27 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Shockwave Flash
File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 6.0 r81
It seems you're behind the times:
Shockwave Flash
File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
I have what SuSE installed for me: "/usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so", that belongs to flash-player-7.0.25.0-3.rpm. But there is also a "/opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/libflashplayer.so" that is not owned by any rpm - ant that's the one used by mozilla. I probably should symlink it to the first one. What I don't understand is why the install left it that way. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi Carlos, On Tue, 31 May 2005 03:41:09 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." <.> wrote:
I have what SuSE installed for me: "/usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so", that belongs to flash-player-7.0.25.0-3.rpm.
But there is also a "/opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/libflashplayer.so" that is not owned by any rpm - ant that's the one used by mozilla. I probably should symlink it to the first one.
What I don't understand is why the install left it that way.
If the symlinking happens e.g. from a post-inst. script of an rpm, the resulted link will not belong to any of the rpms. And as I know there are still various other possibilities... I have SUSE 9.1 with these files (flashplayer has been backported of 9.2 if I recall it correctly): lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2005-04-10 23:58 /opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so file /opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/libflashplayer.so is not owned by any package lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2004-10-23 21:52 /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so file /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins/libflashplayer.so is not owned by any package -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2096844 2004-05-10 23:34 /usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so balu@khazad-dum:/opt> rpm -qf /usr/lib/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so flash-player-7.0.25.0-2.peli91 I don't think, that anything got corrupted or it's generally wrong either in my or your situation. Best regards, Pelibali Ps. In contrast till now I was not able to play Novell's file on 6 win* and 2 lin* boxes. I sent the links to friends and there was only a single one, who managed to look at it on a win* system, but _exclusively_ without sound. My personal opinion is, that in case Novell would really want even "common people" to be able to watch their advert, at least on a genuine win* it should be OK...
Hi! Am Sonntag, 29. Mai 2005 21:25 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
It could be that you have not waited long enough. It could also be that you have installed two flash-plugins, the one from macromedia and the OSS one. de-install the OSS one and it should work. Sven
On Monday 30 May 2005 02:14, Sven Burmeister wrote:
have installed two flash-plugins, the one from macromedia and the OSS one.
what's the OSS one? GPLFlash? -- NSK http://portal.wikinerds.org
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 15:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
Yeah, <sigh> I got this exact same screen. :( Gonna have to try it elsewhere.
On Monday 30 May 2005 00:43, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 15:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
Yeah, <sigh> I got this exact same screen. :( Gonna have to try it elsewhere.
Me too !! Bob S.
Me too, using konqueror. But works nice with firefox. I have SuSE 9.3 Thadeu On Monday 30 May 2005 03:49, B. Stia wrote:
On Monday 30 May 2005 00:43, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 15:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2005-05-29 at 08:11 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It shows nothing here. Just a nice, grey box with a cute slider below. SuSE 9.3 with out of the box Mozilla, and V90 modem.
Yeah, <sigh> I got this exact same screen. :( Gonna have to try it elsewhere.
Me too !!
Bob S.
On Sunday 29 May 2005 14:11, James Knott wrote:
Hey Friends, What do I have to do to get sound? I have tried increasing the volume in kmix, I see falsh doesn't have any questions in the faq with regards to sound, any ideas? Thanks -- Chadley Wilson Redhat Certified Technician Cert Number: 603004708291270 Pinnacle Micro Manufacturers of Proline Computers ==================================== Exercise freedom, Use LINUX =====================================
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 07:05:28AM +0200, Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 29 May 2005 14:11, James Knott wrote:
Try the thing in Epiphany, it works fine in that. For the person with sound problems... Is your card supported? Did you tutnr up more than the master volume? There is alot to this, way more than just turn up speakers and there you're done.
Hey Friends,
What do I have to do to get sound? I have tried increasing the volume in kmix, I see falsh doesn't have any questions in the faq with regards to sound, any ideas?
Thanks
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Allen, On Monday 30 May 2005 00:25, Allen wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 07:05:28AM +0200, Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 29 May 2005 14:11, James Knott wrote:
Try the thing in Epiphany, it works fine in that. For the person with sound problems... Is your card supported? Did you tutnr up more than the master volume? There is alot to this, way more than just turn up speakers and there you're done.
It plays just as well on my system in Epiphany as it does in the browser plug-in. Or should I say, just as poorly. The video / audio synchronization problems are still apparent. It's especially obvious for Betty Lou. She'll get a whole sentence out with her mouth shut, which will then move soundlessly.
...
Randall Schulz
Allen,
On Monday 30 May 2005 00:25, Allen wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 07:05:28AM +0200, Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 29 May 2005 14:11, James Knott wrote:
Try the thing in Epiphany, it works fine in that. For the person with sound problems... Is your card supported? Did you tutnr up more than the master volume? There is alot to this, way more than just turn up speakers and there you're done.
It plays just as well on my system in Epiphany as it does in the browser plug-in. Or should I say, just as poorly. The video / audio synchronization problems are still apparent. It's especially obvious for Betty Lou. She'll get a whole sentence out with her mouth shut, which will then move soundlessly. I have know a few friends that have that problem. They are talking but
On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 06:39 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: their lips are not moving (or was a lawyer I was talking to). :-) -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
Chadley Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 29 May 2005 14:11, James Knott wrote:
Hey Friends,
What do I have to do to get sound? I have tried increasing the volume in kmix, I see falsh doesn't have any questions in the faq with regards to sound, any ideas?
Thanks
Without knowing a lot more about your system setup, it's hard to say. But for what it's worth, I'm having an ongoing problem with sound on my laptop running 9.1pro. For some reason, alsa keeps turning off the External Amplifier setting on every boot, even though I've tried using the alsa-record command from the command line. If this is your problem, you can fix it (at least temporarily) by running alsamixer from the command line, or running the alsamixer GUI under the /multimedia/volume control menu in KDE.
David McMillan wrote:
But for what it's worth, I'm having an ongoing problem with sound on my laptop running 9.1pro. For some reason, alsa keeps turning off the External Amplifier setting on every boot, even though I've tried using the alsa-record command from the command line. Do you have both kmix and kamix installed. IIRC, there was a problem with 9.1 and both installed. There is a workaround, but it is easiest to uninstall kmix, which fixes it. It has been a while, you might want to search the archives. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
David McMillan wrote:
But for what it's worth, I'm having an ongoing problem with sound on my laptop running 9.1pro. For some reason, alsa keeps turning off the External Amplifier setting on every boot, even though I've tried using the alsa-record command from the command line.
Do you have both kmix and kamix installed. IIRC, there was a problem with 9.1 and both installed. There is a workaround, but it is easiest to uninstall kmix, which fixes it. It has been a while, you might want to search the archives.
Both kmix and kamix show up in my KDE menu, and both can be run. But YAST only shows kamix. Odd. Just for the heck of it, I tried uninstalling kamix, but it didn't do any good. I did find that using 'alsactl restore' after a reboot would bring back my External Amp, so 'alsactl store' is definitely recording my settings somewhere. But something, maybe in KDE, is apparently always forcing the EA off on boot. Maybe the easiest way to handle this is to write a script that gets run on every boot (or login?) to do the 'alsactl restore' command. Any thougts?
On Thursday 02 June 2005 21:21, David McMillan wrote:
Both kmix and kamix show up in my KDE menu, and both can be run. But YAST only shows kamix. Odd. Just for the heck of it, I tried uninstalling kamix, but it didn't do any good. I did find that using 'alsactl restore' after a reboot would bring back my External Amp, so 'alsactl store' is definitely recording my settings somewhere. But something, maybe in KDE, is apparently always forcing the EA off on boot. Maybe the easiest way to handle this is to write a script that gets run on every boot (or login?) to do the 'alsactl restore' command. Any thougts?
The problem is in kmix. It is set to restore sound settings on login and it is broken. You shouldn't have uninstalled kamix, you should have set kmix to not restore the sound settings on login
David McMillan wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Do you have both kmix and kamix installed. IIRC, there was a problem with 9.1 and both installed. There is a workaround, but it is easiest to uninstall kmix, which fixes it. It has been a while, you might want to search the archives.
Both kmix and kamix show up in my KDE menu, and both can be run. But YAST only shows kamix. Odd. Just for the heck of it, I tried uninstalling kamix, but it didn't do any good. I said to uninstall kmix, not kamix. IIRC, there is an article in the support database on this. Try searching for kmix. I did it for you. check http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/thallma_91_sndsilence.html I did find that using 'alsactl restore' after a reboot would bring back my External Amp, so 'alsactl store' is definitely recording my settings somewhere. But something, maybe in KDE, is apparently always forcing the EA off on boot. Maybe the easiest way to handle this is to write a script that gets run on every boot (or login?) to do the 'alsactl restore' command. Any thougts? Follow the instructions in the article. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
David McMillan wrote:
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Do you have both kmix and kamix installed. IIRC, there was a problem with 9.1 and both installed. There is a workaround, but it is easiest to uninstall kmix, which fixes it. It has been a while, you might want to search the archives.
Both kmix and kamix show up in my KDE menu, and both can be run. But YAST only shows kamix. Odd. Just for the heck of it, I tried uninstalling kamix, but it didn't do any good.
I said to uninstall kmix, not kamix. IIRC, there is an article in the
Yes, you did, but YAST didn't provide a way to do this. I *did* say that I only tried uninstalling kamix just to see what would happen. It's easy enough to put back.
support database on this. Try searching for kmix. I did it for you. check http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/thallma_91_sndsilence.html
I did find that using 'alsactl restore' after a reboot would bring back my External Amp, so 'alsactl store' is definitely recording my settings somewhere. But something, maybe in KDE, is apparently always forcing the EA off on boot. Maybe the easiest way to handle this is to write a script that gets run on every boot (or login?) to do the 'alsactl restore' command. Any thougts?
Follow the instructions in the article.
Ah! That explains why I couldn't uninstall kmix from YAST -- it's not *called* kmix! Hm... re-installed kamix, uninstalled kmix, everything worked fine up to that point, but where the article calls for 'kamix &' bash keeps calling it an unrecognized command. But even without that, my sound problem is now fixed -- my External Amplifier stays on during reboots. So everything's good. Thank you!
I just watched this again in Windows with IE, I can now say this isn't Linux making it do the lip sync. XP 512 RAM P4 3.06GHz processor. So for the others thinking maybe it was a Linux thing, it's just not that way. I think I'm going to Email my pal at Novell and ask if they can make this an Mpg or something similar so we can download it and watch at Nt user support areas. Hmm, that sounds good, I think I'm going to do that. Does anyone want me to post a link to Anti Online where I posted this link so everyone there could watch the video and get a look at rections people there had? Only one person was pissed about it and that's because he's an ass who thinks Windows NT and 2003 are the best thing ever. If anyone here is a member of AO my username is gore and the subject I made was "NT is worse than crack" if you want to search the forums for it. -Allen.
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