[opensuse] dsl modem in openSUSE 13.2
Hello: I've installed openSUSE 13.2 from DVD (fresh install, not an update). I wanted to set up my DSL network in YAST as always before. But this time in YAST's network settings there is only a 'network devices' option. There are no options for adding any other device like DSL and modem (they used to be there). The network card was recognized and configured correctly. There was one difference, that I could not set 'traditional ifup' method; wicked service was set there. I don't know if this matters. How can I set my DSL modem and providers? I don't want to use network manager, I even haven't installed it. Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd írta:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means. To make it clear: In previous openSUSE versions, eg in oS 12.2 under YAST network devices I have icons to configure: DSL ISDN Modem Network Settings In openSUSE 13.2 I have only Network Settings. In previous openSUSE versions, eg in oS 12.2 under Network Settings -> Global Options -> Network Setup Method I can choose from: - User Controlled with NetworkManager -Traditional Method with ifup In openSUSE 13.2 there is only 'wicked service' or something like this (I've never heard of this one before). The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem). Also, how I configure dial-up serial (not USB) modem? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
To make it clear:
In previous openSUSE versions, eg in oS 12.2 under YAST network devices I have icons to configure: DSL ISDN Modem Network Settings
In openSUSE 13.2 I have only Network Settings.
yes, I guess the other are obsolete
In previous openSUSE versions, eg in oS 12.2 under Network Settings -> Global Options -> Network Setup Method I can choose from:
this is an other problem
- User Controlled with NetworkManager -Traditional Method with ifup
In openSUSE 13.2 there is only 'wicked service' or something like this (I've never heard of this one before).
I heard about it on this mailing list. It replaces the old ifup method, with the same yast settings (AFAIK)
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
better give a model number Also, how I configure dial-up serial (not USB)
modem?
not used it since years :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:01:52 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> пишет:
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
This option was to setup PPPoE client. This works over LAN in bridged mode; USB DSL modems simply emulate Ethernet interface and bridge everything from WAN to it.
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
It looks like wicked may support PPPoE; but there is no documentation how to set it up, the only source of information is interface configuration schema where pppoe is mentioned. This looks like genuine regression. I wonder, what happens if there is existing configuration on update? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov írta:
В Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:01:52 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> пишет:
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
This option was to setup PPPoE client. This works over LAN in bridged mode; USB DSL modems simply emulate Ethernet interface and bridge everything from WAN to it.
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
It looks like wicked may support PPPoE; but there is no documentation how to set it up, the only source of information is interface configuration schema where pppoe is mentioned.
This looks like genuine regression. I wonder, what happens if there is existing configuration on update?
Yes, it is PPPoE. How can I set it up? Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:59:08 +0100 (CET) Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> пишет:
Andrei Borzenkov írta:
В Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:01:52 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> пишет:
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
This option was to setup PPPoE client. This works over LAN in bridged mode; USB DSL modems simply emulate Ethernet interface and bridge everything from WAN to it.
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
It looks like wicked may support PPPoE; but there is no documentation how to set it up, the only source of information is interface configuration schema where pppoe is mentioned.
This looks like genuine regression. I wonder, what happens if there is existing configuration on update?
Yes, it is PPPoE. How can I set it up?
I do not know how to setup it with wicked, sorry. I suggest you open bug report that this configuration was possible with 13.1 and becomes seemingly impossible with 13.2. You may try NetworkManager as workaround. In the worst case setup rp-pppoe manually ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> írta:
В Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:59:08 +0100 (CET) Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> пишет:
Andrei Borzenkov írta:
В Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:01:52 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> пишет:
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
> How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
This option was to setup PPPoE client. This works over LAN in bridged mode; USB DSL modems simply emulate Ethernet interface and bridge everything from WAN to it.
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
It looks like wicked may support PPPoE; but there is no documentation how to set it up, the only source of information is interface configuration schema where pppoe is mentioned.
This looks like genuine regression. I wonder, what happens if there is existing configuration on update?
Yes, it is PPPoE. How can I set it up?
I do not know how to setup it with wicked, sorry. I suggest you open bug report that this configuration was possible with 13.1 and becomes seemingly impossible with 13.2.
You may try NetworkManager as workaround. In the worst case setup rp-pppoe manually ...
OK, I tried rp-pppoe manually (downloaded on another installation). Installation and setup was OK, it connect but can't ping anything. Seems that the nameserver is not configured correctly. It should get the nameserver address from the provider (as oS 12.2 does it correctly) but is doesn't. Even if I can solve this nameserver issue how I make it work with kinterent/qinternet? In the meantime I found others have the same problem: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/502199-UPGRADING-REMOVES-PPPOE-(1...) http://forum.linuxdesh.org/thread-1982.html https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/503215-Cannot-configure-PPPOE-DSL... Also seems to read that DSL setup is problematic even with NetworkManager too in 13.2 This is not a minor issue. Removing such an option (been there for more than a decade) and it is not worth mentioning in the release notes?! It is so UNPROFESSIONAL. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:13:28 +0100 (CET) Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> пишет:
Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> írta:
В Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:59:08 +0100 (CET) Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> пишет:
Andrei Borzenkov írta:
В Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:01:52 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> пишет:
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta: > Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit : > >> How can I set my DSL modem and providers? > > it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there > still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
This option was to setup PPPoE client. This works over LAN in bridged mode; USB DSL modems simply emulate Ethernet interface and bridge everything from WAN to it.
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
It looks like wicked may support PPPoE; but there is no documentation how to set it up, the only source of information is interface configuration schema where pppoe is mentioned.
This looks like genuine regression. I wonder, what happens if there is existing configuration on update?
Yes, it is PPPoE. How can I set it up?
I do not know how to setup it with wicked, sorry. I suggest you open bug report that this configuration was possible with 13.1 and becomes seemingly impossible with 13.2.
You may try NetworkManager as workaround. In the worst case setup rp-pppoe manually ...
OK, I tried rp-pppoe manually (downloaded on another installation). Installation and setup was OK, it connect but can't ping anything. Seems that the nameserver is not configured correctly. It should get the nameserver address from the provider (as oS 12.2 does it correctly) but is doesn't. Even if I can solve this nameserver issue how I make it work with kinterent/qinternet?
I do not know what kiniternet is, but at the end yast simply created PPP configuration. Why it should stop working when the same configuration is created manually?
In the meantime I found others have the same problem:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/502199-UPGRADING-REMOVES-PPPOE-(1...)
This link provides detail step by step instructions how to configure PPP manually including how to get nameserver from provider and how to create systemd service to start connection on boot.
http://forum.linuxdesh.org/thread-1982.html
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/503215-Cannot-configure-PPPOE-DSL...
Also seems to read that DSL setup is problematic even with NetworkManager too in 13.2
There is nothing about NetworkManager in links quoted by you. What is this statement based on?
This is not a minor issue. Removing such an option (been there for more than a decade) and it is not worth mentioning in the release notes?!
It is so UNPROFESSIONAL.
Did you file bug report? Did you test 13.2 before release? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov írta:
You may try NetworkManager as workaround. In the worst case setup rp-pppoe manually ...
OK, I tried rp-pppoe manually (downloaded on another installation). Installation and setup was OK, it connect but can't ping anything. Seems that the nameserver is not configured correctly. It should get the nameserver address from the provider (as oS 12.2 does it correctly) but is doesn't. Even if I can solve this nameserver issue how I make it work with kinterent/qinternet?
I do not know what kiniternet is,
It is a small program/applet. It has an icon on the taskbar which shows if network is connected or not, active or idle. Internet connection can be switched on/off by a single click. You can select and dial-in/hang up connection with different network cards and providers.
but at the end yast simply created PPP configuration.
In my installation YAST has not created a PPP configuration. I don't understand what you mean.
Also seems to read that DSL setup is problematic even with NetworkManager too in 13.2
There is nothing about NetworkManager in links quoted by you. What is this statement based on?
I think this was that: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2014-11/msg00002.html https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903553
This is not a minor issue. Removing such an option (been there for more than a decade) and it is not worth mentioning in the release notes?!
Did you file bug report? Did you test 13.2 before release?
I don't want to turn this into a rant, but I don't think that including a substantial change (replacing ifup with wicked method) in the release notes is a matter of bug testing and reporting. Anyway, my firt goal is to make a working network connection first. Until it's done openSUSE 13.2 is practically useless for me. I would be glad if I could use this network similarly to how I use it in earlier versions: i) one general network setting that affects the whole system, every users, ii) users can connect to/disconnect from net by one click on the network icon, iii) users can't add, remove, modify configured network connections. Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Istvan Gabor wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> írta:
В Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:59:08 +0100 (CET) Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@freemail.hu> пишет:
Andrei Borzenkov írta:
В Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:01:52 +0100 jdd <jdd@dodin.org> пишет:
Le 01/01/2015 15:44, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
jdd írta: > Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit : > >> How can I set my DSL modem and providers? > > it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are > there still some on the wild?
I don't understand what this means.
these options where to configure dsl modems directly connected to the computer through USB. Nowaday (at least in France) everybody uses "boxes" linked through etherneet and that do not need any openSUSE config
This option was to setup PPPoE client. This works over LAN in bridged mode; USB DSL modems simply emulate Ethernet interface and bridge everything from WAN to it.
The question is how I can configure my network connection (which uses a DSL bridge/modem).
It looks like wicked may support PPPoE; but there is no documentation how to set it up, the only source of information is interface configuration schema where pppoe is mentioned.
This looks like genuine regression. I wonder, what happens if there is existing configuration on update?
Yes, it is PPPoE. How can I set it up?
I do not know how to setup it with wicked, sorry. I suggest you open bug report that this configuration was possible with 13.1 and becomes seemingly impossible with 13.2.
You may try NetworkManager as workaround. In the worst case setup rp-pppoe manually ...
OK, I tried rp-pppoe manually (downloaded on another installation). Installation and setup was OK, it connect but can't ping anything. Seems that the nameserver is not configured correctly. It should get the nameserver address from the provider (as oS 12.2 does it correctly) but is doesn't. Even if I can solve this nameserver issue how I make it work with kinterent/qinternet?
In the meantime I found others have the same problem:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/502199-UPGRADING-REMOVES-PPPOE-(1...)
http://forum.linuxdesh.org/thread-1982.html
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/503215-Cannot-configure-PPPOE-DSL...
Also seems to read that DSL setup is problematic even with NetworkManager too in 13.2
This is not a minor issue. Removing such an option (been there for more than a decade) and it is not worth mentioning in the release notes?!
It is so UNPROFESSIONAL.
I have to agree with you. YaST functionality has been declining quite rapidly. It is most unfortunate, but unless the community decides to do something about it, it will no doubt continue. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/02/2015 10:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Also seems to read that DSL setup is problematic even with
NetworkManager too in 13.2
This is not a minor issue. Removing such an option (been there for more than a decade) and it is not worth mentioning in the release notes?!
It is so UNPROFESSIONAL. I have to agree with you. YaST functionality has been declining quite rapidly. It is most unfortunate, but unless the community decides to do something about it, it will no doubt continue.
What community do you speak of Per? Yast is strictly an opensuse entity. There is no community that supports it other than Opensuse insiders, and that group is not a democracy. Far from it. If yast dies, the last advantage OpenSuse has over any other distro dies with it and I suspect large numbers of users will simply move on. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On 01/02/2015 10:06 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Also seems to read that DSL setup is problematic even with
NetworkManager too in 13.2
This is not a minor issue. Removing such an option (been there for more than a decade) and it is not worth mentioning in the release notes?!
It is so UNPROFESSIONAL. I have to agree with you. YaST functionality has been declining quite rapidly. It is most unfortunate, but unless the community decides to do something about it, it will no doubt continue.
What community do you speak of Per?
Yast is strictly an opensuse entity.
Uh no, it isn't. Anyone is free to contribute. In the past it was somewhat closed, but with the move to Ruby, things have opened up quite a bit. I am pretty certain that requests for support for some YaST modules have already appeared. (on factory or yast-devel). I thin it would be really good for openSUSE if YaST were to gain more active community support.
There is no community that supports it other than Opensuse insiders, and that group is not a democracy. Far from it.
Agree to the latter.
If yast dies, the last advantage OpenSuse has over any other distro dies with it and I suspect large numbers of users will simply move on.
Completely agree. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 01/01/2015 13:53, Istvan Gabor a écrit :
How can I set my DSL modem and providers?
it waas only for usb/serial modems, not the usual box, are there still some on the wild?
It was also for ADSL plug-in cards, I still have a couple somewhere. The ppp config was also useful for an ADSL modem in bridge (RFC1483) mode. ISTR the yast dsl module was already lacking - I'm pretty certain I tried IPv6 a couple of years back, didn't work. There might even be a bug report on that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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