On 14/11/14 14:36, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 11/14/2014 07:48 AM, lynn wrote:

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13.2 Hi I checked the 'don't ask me again' (OWTTE) box when deleting messages. Now it doesn't prompt before deleting. How do I get it to ask me again?

I tried this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1011403

One[1] of the reasons I hate the Microsoft/Windows method of storing config -- the registry -- is that it is anonymous. The method used by the UNIX derived systems of a plain text file, usually in or symlinked to /etc, and either having a name that is, or is in a directory whose name corresponds to the application, and whose contents probably have a lot of comments explaining them all, carries a much higher semantic load and makes modification much easier.

Once again let me quote the idea that *NIX is about understanding a few basic patterns and principles and applying them (in context) whereas so much of Microsoft is 'sui generis':

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-many-mcses-wont-learn-linux/1137 (side argument, not altogether relevant and displays a great ignorance of history: https://forum.cs.vt.edu/topic_show.pl?tid=2624 )

The way Mozilla stores configuration and the way you can override in userPrefs is a half-way house. The names are more meaningful and you _can_ use text files for configuration, but there is no baseline config file with embedded comments and searching the documentation, while easier than hunting down the meaning of Registry entries, is still something that requires savvy a more than a little google-fu.

The "why" seems to have something to do with performance. There seems to be a class of programmers who believe that loading in an binary descriptor is faster than parsing text file.

In the case of something like termcap/terminfo I can accept that. It is Just One Thing. But the Registry and the Mozilla approach loads Every${DEITY}${PERDITION}ed thing whether you are going to use it or not. I may spend a week calling up Thunderbird and Firefox each day, possibly more than once a day, and never printing anything[2]. But they insist on loading the printer characteristics anyway, as part of ... registry'.

Perhaps this is inherited from the MS-DOS style of word processor ...

In many ways Thunderbird and Firefox are more "DOS/Windows" style programs than they are UNIX/Linux programs.

[1] Yes there are more reasons ... [2] Realistically I print very little. A ream of paper might last me a year.

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On 11/14/2014 09:35 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

On 11/14/2014 08:36 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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[2] Realistically I print very little. A ream of paper might last me a year.

I also only use about a ream of paper a year, and half of that is used to print my soduko puzzles from soduko.com. Which is also why I never use inkjet printers. They tend to get clogged a lot from lack of use.

There is that. I installed a drive for my phone & tablet to let them print over the wifi connection to my desktop & CUPS. So there is the test page. I represents maybe 2% of my usage. what else? I print recipes I find occasionally and my accounts for the accountant come March. It makes me wonder about the capital investment in a printer. And yes, I have a clogged colour injet in the basement. I spent more on ink than I did on the printer! My Brother Laser was cheap enough. Its asked for a new drum twice and I've 'reset'. No degradation. I buy the cheapest refills. No degradation. I've friends that secumb to the costs the vendors insist on, but I've too much paper in the house anyway! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/14/2014 10:18 AM, lynn wrote:

On 14/11/14 15:57, Anton Aylward wrote:

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There is that.

I installed a drive for my phone & tablet to let them print over the wifi connection to my desktop & CUPS. So there is the test page. I represents maybe 2% of my usage.

what else?

I print recipes I find occasionally and my accounts for the accountant come March.

It makes me wonder about the capital investment in a printer.

And yes, I have a clogged colour injet in the basement. I spent more on ink than I did on the printer!

My Brother Laser was cheap enough. Its asked for a new drum twice and I've 'reset'. No degradation. I buy the cheapest refills. No degradation. I've friends that secumb to the costs the vendors insist on, but I've too much paper in the house anyway!

The reason it does not work is like for the printing is that it uses the old sort and there must not be a registry value. One solution was volunteered by another user of windows:

https://secure6.brother.co.jp/SendMail/mail/englishfeedback.htm And yet further evidence: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqGcP-dBOIho12j2OqXHVY...

Other events prompted me to look at /etc/sysconfig/default where you can find similar passages, but not those that are to forget. OTOH, you can't get a sole that way because I have always found the print server is a ream. Other users have not had this problem because they warn.

The Kerberos realm is set at: /etc/krb5.real and you must therefore have a list on top to provide clarification. Most steps can be written but it is with two and a provider. HTH, L x

I'm sorry, lynn but this seems a non sequitor. The URLs you supply above are a mail form and a 1x1 pixel, which doesn't seem pertinent. You seem to think I have a problem with my Brother printer; I don't. Are you sure you are replying to me and the forum and not some private communication with someone else? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 15.11.2014 um 17:56 schrieb lynn:

On 14/11/14 20:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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mail.warn_on_shift_delete;true ?

Nope: mail.warn_on_shift_delete;true ? If 'mail.warn_on_shift_delete' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf mail.warn_on_shift_delete

cnf mail.warn_on_shift_delete mail.warn_on_shift_delete: command not found

Any other ideas? Thanks, L x

No, this is not for the bash, it's in the about:config of thunderbird. You access it via "Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> General -> Config Editor (button)" HTH Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com indiegogo-projekt: http://igg.me/at/barcelonafoto room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 15/11/14 18:12, Daniel Bauer wrote:

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Am 15.11.2014 um 17:56 schrieb lynn:

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On 14/11/14 20:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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mail.warn_on_shift_delete;true ?

Nope: mail.warn_on_shift_delete;true ?

If 'mail.warn_on_shift_delete' is not a typo you can use

command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this: cnf mail.warn_on_shift_delete

cnf mail.warn_on_shift_delete mail.warn_on_shift_delete: command not found

Any other ideas? Thanks, L x

No, this is not for the bash, it's in the about:config of thunderbird. You access it via "Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> General -> Config Editor (button)"

HTH

Daniel

Neither:( Fails at: Tools -> Options Tools->Options might be the Windows version only (Mozilla apps tend to

Am Samstag, 15. November 2014, 18:17:37 schrieb lynn: place the preferences in different locations depending on OS). Have you tried Edit->Options (which should the location under Linux)? -- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/15/2014 10:29 AM, lynn wrote:

On 15/11/14 19:25, Andreas Mahel wrote:

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Neither:( Fails at: Tools -> Options Tools->Options might be the Windows version only (Mozilla apps tend to place the preferences in different locations depending on OS). Have you tried Edit->Options (which should the location under Linux)?

There is no 'Tools' or 'Edit', so anything which refers to such will fail. Thanks.

If you have it turned off, you can turn the menu bar back on by right-clicking in the tab bar but not in a tab... -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/11/14 13:54, Carlos E. R. wrote: /we/ are using Th 31 or thereabouts, but you, I have no idea :-p

I don't know what version. It's whatever you get when you upgrade from 13.1 to 13.2. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/11/14 16:23, Daniel Bauer wrote:

Am 16.11.2014 um 15:34 schrieb lynn:

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On 16/11/14 13:54, Carlos E. R. wrote: /we/ are using Th 31 or thereabouts, but you, I have no idea :-p

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I don't know what version. It's whatever you get when you upgrade from 13.1 to 13.2.

but could you solve the problem you had? Did you finally find those settings? Did it change what you wanted?

Yes, thanks. It's in: menu -> preferences. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/11/14 16:44, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 11/16/2014 09:34 AM, lynn wrote:

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I don't know what version. It's whatever you get when you upgrade from 13.1 to 13.2.

I can think of two obvious way:

Within Thunderbird use Help->about

How many more times? There _isn't_ 'Help->about'. The problem is fixed. I'll mark the thread. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/11/14 17:18, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 11/16/2014 11:15 AM, lynn wrote:

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How many more times? There _isn't_ 'Help->about'.

So you don't have a menu bar? Why not make that clear?

We established that many posts ago. Now, just go away. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 16/11/14 18:33, Bob Williams wrote:

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On 16/11/14 16:21, lynn wrote:

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On 16/11/14 17:18, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 11/16/2014 11:15 AM, lynn wrote:

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How many more times? There _isn't_ 'Help->about'.

So you don't have a menu bar? Why not make that clear?

We established that many posts ago. Now, just go away. Thank you.

Lynn,

At the risk of hijacking your thread, can you try to be a bit more polite to people who are trying to help you.

No you can't. The thread was marked as solved several posts ago after being hijacked by our resident hobbyist previously. So just shut up. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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On 2014-11-16 20:38, lynn wrote:

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No you can't. The thread was marked as solved several posts ago after being hijacked by our resident hobbyist previously. So just shut up. Thank you.

Pray, how have you marked it solved? Where? This is not a forum, but a mail list. You can not tell people to shut up like that. Please be polite.

She marked it solved by changing the subject, And that solved was even in the subject of the message you replied to, and hence it is in your subject too. (But perhaps at the wrong end). Unfortunately, the thread had exploded into so many subthreads that people kept replying to, and that perpetuated the un-solved threads. I suppose some people still read mail un-threaded, and they might totally miss the fact that subsequent messages in the thread all carried the [solved] subject. * I'm going to add another solved to the front of the subject, and i'm going to shout, so don't be alarmed Carlos, I know how much that annoys you. Mailing lists could use a Solved header I think. I remember a mailer that used to allow one to add an arbitrary X-header to messages, but that option seems to have disappeared with the semi-standardization of x- headers. I use to use it so I could find all my submissions in mailing lists, till list archives started stripping headers. - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlRpJmEACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJyJgCgmRU+Xuh+X3NdNLgJj+sU1o2D 0mkAnjpXPp8Dp/oJwpS4gN070ICXpLq5 =/vob -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward wrote: -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? --- Why do people think bottom posting, as a rule, is a bad idea? Example: Doctor picks up Jack's file that Anton organized in chronological order.... 1. Jack was born. 2. Jack did this and that... .... page 101 (20 minutes later...) Jack was stung by a bee, he needs treatment for anaphylactic shock as he cannot breath. Page 102 ... Nevermind. Jack needs a mortician. :-/ ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/21/2014 07:18 PM, jdebert wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:08:10 -0800 Linda Walsh wrote:

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BECAUSE WE HATE WINDOZE!!! AND MICROSOFT IS EVIL!!! AND.. AND... AND...

Ahem...

All seriousness aside, top posting does disrupt reading the topic's "ordinary" progress. It's very much like having a book printed backwards.

But the solution to top posting is to merely read from the bottom up. Habits, like rules, are made to be broken.

Unless people are TOP POSTING AND BOTTOM POSTING AT THE SAME TIME!!!

Ahem.

In which case, STAB EVERYBODY!!!

or, perhaps, just move on to the next topic.

Bottom posting is only really required when people can not remember what the thread is about. They have to read the entire thread to remember. -- “Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century.” - Joan Rivers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/21/2014 08:39 PM, John Andersen wrote:

That said, trimming never hurt anyone.

Indeed. The 'read the rest of the thread in one post' argument is weak. The rest of the thread is out there. Trim. Only include what is pertinent. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton, et al -- ...and then Anton Aylward said... % % On 11/21/2014 08:39 PM, John Andersen wrote: % > % > That said, trimming never hurt anyone. % % Indeed. % The 'read the rest of the thread in one post' argument is weak. [snip] Wait! What do you mean? What are you talking about ?!? I'm so totally lost!!! HANW ;-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 16/11/2014 17:15, lynn a écrit :

How many more times? There _isn't_ 'Help->about'.

of course there is, but yhere are two place where you can find it. on the menu bar if you enabled it else fo to the three small lines on right of the search input place, then question mark (aka help), then about; I hate this new thunderbird setupo and I activate the menu bar as soon as I can :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 16/11/2014 19:42, John Andersen a écrit :

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else fo to the three small lines on right of the search input place, then question mark (aka help), then about; I hate this new thunderbird setupo and I activate the menu bar as soon as I can :-)

I read the thread, but the question come again and again, I rtyed to explain it a bit differently... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/15/2014 12:17 PM, lynn wrote:

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No, this is not for the bash, it's in the about:config of thunderbird. You access it via "Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> General -> Config Editor (button)"

HTH

Daniel

Neither:( Fails at: Tools -> Options

It is in the About:config but Daniel probably isn't using the same version of T'Bird as you are[1]. Use some imagination and look though the menu options to see where you can get at the config editor. I don't know what version you are running but I'm running 31.2 For me that is menu:edit -> preferences then in the dialogue box advanced -> general The third button is labelled "config editor" Of course YMMV but I expect you can mosey around the various options to find something that is labelled, or is labelled somewhat like, "config editor" somewhere under some menu option and/or in some dialogue box, [1] is this an example of "Don't Ask/Don't Tell"? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/15/2014 02:02 PM, lynn wrote:

On 15/11/14 19:29, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 11/15/2014 12:17 PM, lynn wrote:

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Neither:( Fails at: Tools -> Options

It is in the About:config

I do not have 'About:config'.

Well what version of Thunderbird DO you have and what platform are you running it on? If the latter is Linux and its later 2x.x or 3[12].x then the instructions I gave should work. I've sent you a screenshot showing same. So, what platform and what version? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 15/11/14 21:26, John Andersen wrote:

All indications suggest Lynn has the menu bar turned off (which I think is the way it gets installed).

If you right click in the tab bar and unclick menu-bar the symptoms an list of missing things starts to match Lynn's descriptions.

Thanks. That was the clue I needed. You don't need the menu-bar at all. It's just: menu -> preferences -> preferences Thanks, L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/15/2014 09:11 PM, jdebert wrote:

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L x

Entering "about:config" in the urlbar sans quotes, as if you were manually entering a website, should also work.

Yes, that works with Firefox, but this is Thunderbird we are discussing. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/15/2014 09:38 PM, Malcolm wrote:

On Sat 15 Nov 2014 09:34:44 PM CST, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 11/15/2014 09:11 PM, jdebert wrote:

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L x

Entering "about:config" in the urlbar sans quotes, as if you were manually entering a website, should also work.

Yes, that works with Firefox, but this is Thunderbird we are discussing.

Hi And Thunderbird... http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config

We've already established that the method described for Thunderboird there, that of "Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> General -> Config Editor (button)", doesn't work for the version of Thunderbird running under Linux and that the path though edit->preferences should be used. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/16/2014 08:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-11-16 03:38, Malcolm wrote:

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On Sat 15 Nov 2014 09:34:44 PM CST, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Entering "about:config" in the urlbar sans quotes, as if you were manually entering a website, should also work.

Yes, that works with Firefox, but this is Thunderbird we are discussing.

Hi And Thunderbird... http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config

No, there is no urlbar in thunderbird. That link does not explain how to get one.

Your link is about the about:config box:

«In Thunderbird 1.5 or later, about:config is accessed via "Tools -> Options ->

In linux there IS NO OPTIONS CHOICE under TOOLS. IT IS UNDER "Edit Preferences-->Advanced-->General tab-->Config Editor button. THE LINUX VERSION!!!!! Advanced -> General -> Config Editor (button)". To access

this and other about:* functions more easily in Thunderbird, you can use ViewAbout add-on.» «For Nvu, there's a compatible version of the AboutConfig extension here.»

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2014-11-17 03:20 (UTC+0200):

Ken Schneider wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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In Thunderbird 1.5 or later, about:config is accessed via "Tools -> Options ->

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In linux there IS NO OPTIONS CHOICE under TOOLS. IT IS UNDER "Edit Preferences-->Advanced-->General tab-->Config Editor button. THE LINUX VERSION!!!!!

Tell them, not me.

Tell who? In the beginning, when the Netscape people created the Mozilla project, personalization/options/preferences or whatever anyone called user configurable settings for Mozilla's apps, were found under Edit -> Preferences, same as in Netscape 4, regardless of platform. It was only how things worked in Windows that resulted in them being moved (in Phoenix) to be called Options in the Tools menu. IOW, Options under Tools is a M$-ification version, while the "Linux" version is the *traditional* version. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172894 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. composed on 2014-11-17 05:52 (UTC+0200):

Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2014-11-17 03:20 (UTC+0200):

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Tell them, not me.

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Tell who?

kb.mozillazine.org

It's a wiki, so as you well know it's up to any who care to fix whatever fault they find in it, not complain to a webmaster.

The «...» means that the entire paragraph is a quote from the previously mentioned site. It is not mine.

Almost certainly written by a Windows user. Oldest page in its history predates TB 1.x. Note the previous paragraph there refers to the Mozilla Suite, the original Mozilla.org product. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

For what it's worth, this is my experience: Linux Mint 17, Thunderbird 31.0: Click menu symbol (3 stacked lines on top right) -> Preferences. Clicking Preferences opens the Prefs window; click Advanced icon on the far right of the top row. At the bottom right of this tab is a Config Editor button - click it, you will (probably) get a warning popup, continue, and finally you are in about:config Windows 7 64-bit: (I have the top menu bar showing by default) Click Tools ->Options, this gives the Options window, then proceed as for Linux (Advanced icon/tab, Config Editor button, warning, about:config) Apologies if this has already been answered... John On 17 November 2014 07:51, lynn wrote:

On 17/11/14 00:40, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On 11/16/2014 08:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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«In Thunderbird 1.5 or later, about:config is accessed via "Tools -> Options ->

In linux there IS NO OPTIONS CHOICE under TOOLS. IT IS UNDER "Edit Preferences-->Advanced-->General tab-->Config Editor button. THE LINUX VERSION!!!!!

There _is_ no Edit. Nor, Tools. There is a menu. That's what there is. Fact. So you too are just as wrong as the rest of the hobbyists.

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On 2014-11-17 07:51, lynn wrote:

There _is_ no Edit. Nor, Tools. There is a menu. That's what there is. Fact. So you too are just as wrong as the rest of the hobbyists.

http://susepaste.org/64365821 Photo showing the "Edit" and "Tools" entries, and the "preferences" entry. Bienaventurados los que sin ver creyeron :-p -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On November 15, 2014 6:11:23 PM PST, jdebert wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:58:21 +0100 lynn wrote:

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On 15/11/14 21:26, John Andersen wrote:

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All indications suggest Lynn has the menu bar turned off (which I think is the way it gets installed).

If you right click in the tab bar and unclick menu-bar the symptoms an list of missing things starts to match Lynn's descriptions.

Thanks. That was the clue I needed. You don't need the menu-bar at all. It's just: menu -> preferences -> preferences Thanks, L x

Entering "about:config" in the urlbar sans quotes, as if you were manually entering a website, should also work.

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Except there is no url bar visible in thunderbird by default either. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/16/2014 02:27 AM, lynn wrote:

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Except there is no url bar visible in thunderbird by default either.

It's all in the menu. You don't need a url bar. Find the menu and you're away. If you don't know what it is, ask a teenager. They don't have labels for stuff, They just point and show you, but this had ven the younger folk stuck for a while, so we mustn't feel too old. L x

Personally, I don't find three stacked vertical lines to be very indicative of a Menu. An this is after years of running Android, where this has been common, and google sites where it rampant. Which is why I proffered the hint to use the context menues to re-enable the menu bar. There should be an anthropological field of study to map the transitions of user interface hints over time. Its like a running conversation between members of a clique with nobody taking notes. If you step away to get a cup of coffee you are totally lost upon return. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org