If I tries to change somthing in Thunderbird and press the OK button,it crash. I have problem with Firefox and Opera 8, both of them crash to ofen. I have never had this on my 9.2 system. I have not installed Java, I can not get to that site. Gunnar
Gunnar Haaland schrieb:
If I tries to change somthing in Thunderbird and press the OK button,it crash.
My TB crashes very often, too. But in every situation. I can't figure out how to reproduce it... I always get this message: soeren@linux:~> thunderbird (thunderbird-bin:11487): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wr apped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) ** (Gecko:11487): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-soeren is not the current user ** (Gecko:11487): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-soeren-28a86888 is not the cur rent user (Gecko:11487): GConf-WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/gconfd-soeren is not the current user (Gecko:11487): GConf-WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/gconfd-soeren-23740b0a is not the current user /usr/bin/thunderbird: line 251: 11487 Speicherzugriffsfehler $MOZ_PROGRAM $MOZ_LANG i don't think that is enough for a bug report. Maybe we can collect the error-messages.. or someone know how to reproduce it. Greets Soeren
Hello, Am Montag, 15. August 2005 14:31 schrieb Sören Wengerowsky:
My TB crashes very often, too. But in every situation. I can't figure out how to reproduce it...
I always get this message: [...] ** (Gecko:11487): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-soeren is not the current user
Hmm - what about chown -R soeren /tmp/orbit-soeren ? Or is it already owned by soeren? Regards, Christian Boltz -- 2.-5.9.2005: Weinfest in Insheim Bei der Landjugend: Liquid, AH-Band und Deafen Goblins Mehr Infos: www.Landjugend-Insheim.de
I read somewhere on kerneltrap.org that since recent kernels (2.6.11 or so) using a swapfile should be as fast as using a seperate swap-partition. It would add in my opinion another bit of user-friendliness if users could think less about partitions & just have a swapfile instead of partition. Any chance ? ----------------
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On Tuesday 16 August 2005 00:59, Winston Graeme wrote:
I read somewhere on kerneltrap.org that since recent kernels (2.6.11 or so) using a swapfile should be as fast as using a seperate swap-partition.
It would add in my opinion another bit of user-friendliness if users could think less about partitions & just have a swapfile instead of partition.
Any chance ?
How well would that work with suspend-to-disk?
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On Tuesday 16 August 2005 00:59, Winston Graeme wrote:
I read somewhere on kerneltrap.org that since recent kernels (2.6.11 or so) using a swapfile should be as fast as using a seperate swap-partition.
It would add in my opinion another bit of user-friendliness if users could think less about partitions & just have a swapfile instead of partition.
Any chance ?
How well would that work with suspend-to-disk?
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Uhhh I completly forgot that ... ooops . Anyone know how Mac & Windows handle this ? ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
I read somewhere on kerneltrap.org that since recent kernels (2.6.11 or so) using a swapfile should be as fast as using a seperate swap- partition.
It would add in my opinion another bit of user- friendliness if users could think less about partitions & just have a swapfile instead of partition.
That may be a option, but there are still many advantages to using a traditional swap partition (these are just a few): 1. It can be on a separate disk or channel, making access faster. 2. It can be placed in faster disks than the others in the system. 3. It can be made the first partition on the drive, creating it on the outside of the platter--yielding better read/write performance. 4. The swap partition is used for "suspend to disk" operations. Kirk Coombs Linux Server Specialist, Novell Product Support Communities http://support.novell.com/products/ Phone: (801) 861-8174 Email: kcoombs@novell.com Participate in the Novell forums! HTTP: http://support.novell.com/forums/ NNTP: forums.novell.com
--- Kirk Coombs <kcoombs@novell.com> wrote:
I read somewhere on kerneltrap.org that since recent kernels (2.6.11 or so) using a swapfile should be as fast as using a seperate swap- partition.
It would add in my opinion another bit of user- friendliness if users could think less about partitions & just have a swapfile instead of partition.
That may be a option, but there are still many advantages to using a traditional swap partition (these are just a few):
1. It can be on a separate disk or channel, making access faster.
2. It can be placed in faster disks than the others in the system.
3. It can be made the first partition on the drive, creating it on the outside of the platter--yielding better read/write performance.
4. The swap partition is used for "suspend to disk" operations.
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Of the above 4 points only the last one reg. suspend-to-disk really only matters to the average desktop-user . For server usage or such it would still be of great use. One could do the same on Windows but it's less complicated & easier to use a swapfile I guess for end-user. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Winston Graeme wrote:
Of the above 4 points only the last one reg. suspend-to-disk really only matters to the average desktop-user .
For server usage or such it would still be of great use.
One could do the same on Windows but it's less complicated & easier to use a swapfile I guess for end-user.
I fail to see the benifit in using a file (resulting in heavy disk fragmentation) over a swap partition. The SUSE installer hides the "newbie" end user from the possible "confussion" of partioning. So why would using a file be of any advantage? In actual fact, many windows sys admins try to put the windows swap file in its own partition or even on its own disk. So, to me, it seem counter productive to use a file over a partition. Mike
--- Michael Honeyfield <mhoneyfield@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Winston Graeme wrote:
Of the above 4 points only the last one reg. suspend-to-disk really only matters to the average desktop-user .
For server usage or such it would still be of great use.
One could do the same on Windows but it's less complicated & easier to use a swapfile I guess for end-user.
I fail to see the benifit in using a file (resulting in heavy disk fragmentation) over a swap partition. The SUSE installer hides the "newbie" end user from the possible "confussion" of partioning.
So why would using a file be of any advantage? In actual fact, many windows sys admins try to put the windows swap file in its own partition or even on its own disk. So, to me, it seem counter productive to use a file over a partition.
Mike
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Okay I agree it would result in fragmentation & in the end worse disk performance . : - ) As long as the installer doesn't eat up valuable partitions which is the reason I never go with the partition suggestion given by YaST . ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
On Monday 15 August 2005 5:36 pm, Winston Graeme wrote:
So why would using a file be of any advantage? In actual fact, many windows sys admins try to put the windows swap file in its own partition or even on its own disk. So, to me, it seem counter productive to use a file over a partition.
The Hibernate, or suspend to disk, feature in Windows actually gets its own swap file (hiberfil.sys if I recall correctly). It, like the swap file, resides on the root of the system drive by default and is a statically sized file, so they, in theory, do not get moved around or unduly fragmented. -- __________ CorvusE: Linux User #370082 live free. die free. use free software.
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On Monday 15 August 2005 5:36 pm, Winston Graeme wrote:
So why would using a file be of any advantage? In actual fact, many windows sys admins try to put the windows swap file in its own partition or even on its own disk. So, to me, it seem counter productive to use a file over a partition.
The Hibernate, or suspend to disk, feature in Windows actually gets its own swap file (hiberfil.sys if I recall correctly). It, like the swap file, resides on the root of the system drive by default and is a statically sized file, so they, in theory, do not get moved around or unduly fragmented.
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Thanks for the info. I always wondered when I saw that strange hiberfil.sys name what use it might actually be . :-) ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
CorvusE wrote:
The Hibernate, or suspend to disk, feature in Windows
Do we have a Hibernate feature in Linux? Is it the Suspend Session thing? I once tried hitting the "Suspend Session" option but it said I had to unmount vfat partitions for that and as user I didn't have rights so just thought would try later. BTW why should vfat partitions be unmounted before suspending? -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
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Winston Graeme wrote:
One could do the same on Windows but it's less complicated & easier to use a swapfile I guess for end-user.
Um, Winston can you please explain to us in what exact why it's less complicated and easier to use a swapfile instead of a swap partition? What would ordinary end-users be doing playing around with the swap settings anyway? Only geeks need to do that. If you are an end-user who knows enough to play around with swap settings (which means you are a geek at least in that aspect) then what does it matter to you if it is on a file or a partition?
I fail to see the benifit in using a file (resulting in heavy disk fragmentation) over a swap partition.
This, and many other disadvantages, probably. I, a longtime Windows user, find Linux's usage of a separate swap partition a refreshing change. Now I don't have to worry about things like "Minimum swap size" "Maximum Swap Size", which partition on my HDD has how much space allocated to the swapfile, how that will affect fragmentation on my partitions etc. Now if an entire partition is given for swap, I simply stop worrying about such things.
The SUSE installer hides the "newbie" end user from the possible "confussion" of partioning.
I did my own partitioning, but Mike has a good point here.
So why would using a file be of any advantage? In actual fact, many windows sys admins try to put the windows swap file in its own partition or even on its own disk.
[raises hand] I'm not exactly a sys-admin. Just administer my own single non-LAN-ned PC. But I still have a separate 1 GiB partition for the swapfile, and NO swapfiles on my /windows/root and /windows/home partitions. (I refer of course to drive C with the Win XP installation and D with my user files.) -- Shriramana Sharma http://samvit.org
Hello, Christian Boltz schrieb:
Am Montag, 15. August 2005 14:31 schrieb Sören Wengerowsky:
My TB crashes very often, too. But in every situation. I can't figure out how to reproduce it...
I always get this message: [...] ** (Gecko:11487): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-soeren is not the current user
Hmm - what about chown -R soeren /tmp/orbit-soeren ? Or is it already owned by soeren?
Oh.. that was my fault. No, "soeren" wasn't the owner. I've changed my UID with YaST, so that i have access to my data of the SUSE 9.3 - system. Unfortunately, YaST seems to change the UID of the file's metadata in dirs below of /home/soeren, but not in /tmp, where some files of soeren are, too. Do you know if it's intended like that, or if the /tmp - Directory was elided by mistake/bug? Now, i've deleted all dirs with "soeren" in name in /tmp/, now, these messages don't appear anymore. regards, Soeren
Hello, Am Dienstag, 16. August 2005 14:21 schrieb Sören Wengerowsky:
Christian Boltz schrieb:
Am Montag, 15. August 2005 14:31 schrieb Sören Wengerowsky:
My TB crashes very often, too. But in every situation. I can't figure out how to reproduce it...
I always get this message:
[...]
** (Gecko:11487): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-soeren is not the current user
Hmm - what about chown -R soeren /tmp/orbit-soeren ? Or is it already owned by soeren?
Oh.. that was my fault.
No, "soeren" wasn't the owner.
I've changed my UID with YaST, so that i have access to my data of the SUSE 9.3 - system.
Unfortunately, YaST seems to change the UID of the file's metadata in dirs below of /home/soeren, but not in /tmp, where some files of soeren are, too.
Do you know if it's intended like that, or if the /tmp - Directory was elided by mistake/bug?
I don't know exactly - but I guess it's intentional. Files owned by user "foo" could be in many places: /tmp, /var/tmp, /usr/src/packages/ and several other directories that are writeable for "foo". Think about really large systems - it would take too long to search the whole system for files owned by "foo".
Now, i've deleted all dirs with "soeren" in name in /tmp/, now, these messages don't appear anymore.
Then let's close this thread as SOLVED ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- 2.-5.9.2005: Weinfest in Insheim Bei der Landjugend: Liquid, AH-Band und Deafen Goblins Mehr Infos: www.Landjugend-Insheim.de
Christian Boltz schrieb: [..]
Think about really large systems - it would take too long to search the whole system for files owned by "foo".
OK. That might be a avoval.
Now, i've deleted all dirs with "soeren" in name in /tmp/, now, these messages don't appear anymore.
Then let's close this thread as SOLVED ;-)
OK ;-) Thanks for your help! regards, Soeren
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