[opensuse] Backup Options?
Hi Folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more. Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula? Thanks, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Lew Wolfgang 10/13/14 12:47 PM >>> Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
Personally, at home I use ownCloud on the workstations, and rsync (via rsnapshot) on the server :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/13/2014 10:58 AM, Christopher Myers wrote:
Lew Wolfgang 10/13/14 12:47 PM >>> Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew Personally, at home I use ownCloud on the workstations, and rsync (via rsnapshot) on the server :)
ownCloud looks interesting, but I don't think it's appropriate for this requirement. I need something that's locally hosted and that will back up without the Windows users having to do anything. They can't be trusted to do anything right, after all! :-) I can't establish a web server either, (don't ask) and so users would request file retrieval when needed. Further requirements include backing up perhaps fifty Win-7 desktops on a daily, incremental basis. I wouldn't need to back up system areas, just c:\Users and below. The target backup repo would be a large RAID-6 array with on-line hotswap spares. The rdiff-backup of about twenty Linux desktops is working fine and I don't mind keeping this going forward. But if some package can do it better I'm not adverse to change. BTW, all hosts are behind a single firewall, so I don't have to worry about bridging domains. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 13. října 2014 11:31:04, Lew Wolfgang napsal(a):
On 10/13/2014 10:58 AM, Christopher Myers wrote:
Lew Wolfgang 10/13/14 12:47 PM >>>
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
Personally, at home I use ownCloud on the workstations, and rsync (via rsnapshot) on the server :) ownCloud looks interesting, but I don't think it's appropriate for this requirement. I need something that's locally hosted and that will back up without the Windows users having to do anything. They can't be trusted to do anything right, after all! :-) I can't establish a web server either, (don't ask) and so users would request file retrieval when needed.
I'm not sure if I understand correctly. OwnCloud has a very easy and capable desktop syncing client for any system and it just runs in the background. The files can be accessed using Windows network drive. I don't know if ownCloud can run without web server, but I think this is the only problem. Otherwise I think it'd meet Your requirements. Or launch FTP server and use some Windows client running in background and just sending changes... What else do You need? :-)
Further requirements include backing up perhaps fifty Win-7 desktops on a daily, incremental basis. I wouldn't need to back up system areas, just c:\Users and below. The target backup repo would be a large RAID-6 array with on-line hotswap spares. The rdiff-backup of about twenty Linux desktops is working fine and I don't mind keeping this going forward. But if some package can do it better I'm not adverse to change.
No problem here, all proposed solutions allow to set what to backup.
BTW, all hosts are behind a single firewall, so I don't have to worry about bridging domains.
Regards, Lew
Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 10/13/2014 11:43 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
requirement. I need something that's locally hosted and that will back up without the Windows users having to do anything. They can't be trusted to do anything right, after all!:-) I can't establish a web server either, (don't ask) and so users would request file retrieval when needed. I'm not sure if I understand correctly. OwnCloud has a very easy and capable desktop syncing client for any system and it just runs in the background. The files can be accessed using Windows network drive. I don't know if ownCloud can run without web server, but I think this is the only problem. Otherwise I
ownCloud looks interesting, but I don't think it's appropriate for this think it'd meet Your requirements. Or launch FTP server and use some Windows client running in background and just sending changes... What else do You need?:-)
The OwnCloud thing requires purchasing their server package if you need local-only operation. It would be nice to do everything with open-source software. The server looks expensive and might be overkill too. Do you have any cost data? Hm... an ftp server might be something to think about. It would have to be anonymous with a write-only incoming directory, but this is easy to set up and is secure to the best of my knowledge. But the Windows client might be the issue. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Oh, try owncloud.org - it's the free OSS version of their enterprise software (and hosted on OBS too :D) I run it on my oS 12.2 box at home :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 13. října 2014 11:57:28, Lew Wolfgang napsal(a):
On 10/13/2014 11:43 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
ownCloud looks interesting, but I don't think it's appropriate for this
requirement. I need something that's locally hosted and that will back up without the Windows users having to do anything. They can't be trusted to do anything right, after all!:-) I can't establish a web server either, (don't ask) and so users would request file retrieval when needed.
I'm not sure if I understand correctly. OwnCloud has a very easy and capable desktop syncing client for any system and it just runs in the background. The files can be accessed using Windows network drive. I don't know if ownCloud can run without web server, but I think this is the only problem. Otherwise I think it'd meet Your requirements. Or launch FTP server and use some Windows client running in background and just sending changes... What else do You need?:-)
The OwnCloud thing requires purchasing their server package if you need local-only operation. It would be nice to do everything with open-source software. The server looks expensive and might be overkill too. Do you have any cost data?
Sorry? Server as well as client are fully open-source and You can install it on Your own server. The software is even build in OBS. So the price for software is zero. Everything You need for Your situation is FOSS. Of course, You can rent it, but it is not the point now. You don't need enterprise edition. I don't have my own install, I use that provided by Czech Academy of Science http://www.cesnet.cz/services/owncloud/?lang=en and as one of admins from that department told me, they didn't pay, neither. ;-)
Hm... an ftp server might be something to think about. It would have to be anonymous with a write-only incoming directory, but this is easy to set up and is secure to the best of my knowledge. But the Windows client might be the issue.
It is easy solution, I think. I'm not able to advise the best Windows client, but there are plenty of them, including with advanced possibilities. I'd require some testing, probably, but it shouldn't be difficult.
Regards, Lew
-- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 10/13/2014 12:12 PM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne Po 13. října 2014 11:57:28, Lew Wolfgang napsal(a):
On 10/13/2014 11:43 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
ownCloud looks interesting, but I don't think it's appropriate for this
requirement. I need something that's locally hosted and that will back up without the Windows users having to do anything. They can't be trusted to do anything right, after all!:-) I can't establish a web server either, (don't ask) and so users would request file retrieval when needed. I'm not sure if I understand correctly. OwnCloud has a very easy and capable desktop syncing client for any system and it just runs in the background. The files can be accessed using Windows network drive. I don't know if ownCloud can run without web server, but I think this is the only problem. Otherwise I think it'd meet Your requirements. Or launch FTP server and use some Windows client running in background and just sending changes... What else do You need?:-) The OwnCloud thing requires purchasing their server package if you need local-only operation. It would be nice to do everything with open-source software. The server looks expensive and might be overkill too. Do you have any cost data? Sorry? Server as well as client are fully open-source and You can install it on Your own server. The software is even build in OBS. So the price for software is zero. Everything You need for Your situation is FOSS. Of course, You can rent it, but it is not the point now. You don't need enterprise edition. I don't have my own install, I use that provided by Czech Academy of Science http://www.cesnet.cz/services/owncloud/?lang=en and as one of admins from that department told me, they didn't pay, neither. ;-)
Hm... an ftp server might be something to think about. It would have to be anonymous with a write-only incoming directory, but this is easy to set up and is secure to the best of my knowledge. But the Windows client might be the issue. It is easy solution, I think. I'm not able to advise the best Windows client, but there are plenty of them, including with advanced possibilities. I'd require some testing, probably, but it shouldn't be difficult.
Thanks for the pointers, Vojtěch. I didn't see the free link. The web requiremet might be an issue in this particular environment, but I might be able to use self-signed certs on a non-standard port. It would be an interesting project. Thanks, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/13/2014 10:46 AM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
I use the cronjob method for workstations (just the users home directory) and also on the servers to backup selected directories to a NAS. WDMyCloudMirror in my case. I've had a license for BRU since the Pleistocene with which I take scheduled backups to another NAS of large data structures, and occasionally complete server images. The compression means I can stack many of these on a remote drive. I use synctoy (free from microsoft) to backup critical Windows stuff to either the same NAS or to to dedicated external USB drives in some cases. It has a "contribute mode" which does not sync deletions. As well, I have certain critical directories from the servers and workstations running SpiderOak (again in contribute mode) via a paid account. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 13. října 2014 10:46:56, Lew Wolfgang napsal(a):
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Bacula seems great. OwnCloud is perfect. Easy way is FTP and some intelligent Windows client. Or rsync over SAMBA. Rsync from Cygwin. BackupPC is also widely recommended.
Thanks, Lew
Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
Lew, If you like rdiff-backup, why not just continue to use it. They have Windows clients as well as Linux. Sounds like you already have the server side in hand. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/13/2014 01:14 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
Lew,
If you like rdiff-backup, why not just continue to use it. They have Windows clients as well as Linux. Sounds like you already have the server side in hand.
Greg
Well, that would require cygwin and possibly an ssh server on the Windows end. I might not be able to swing that in this environment, but it's certainly worth looking at! Thanks, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
On 10/13/2014 01:14 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@sweet-haven.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
Lew,
If you like rdiff-backup, why not just continue to use it. They have Windows clients as well as Linux. Sounds like you already have the server side in hand.
Greg
Well, that would require cygwin and possibly an ssh server on the Windows end. I might not be able to swing that in this environment, but it's certainly worth looking at!
Thanks, Lew
If you've never done it, you can really cut down the size of a cygwin install for a task specific need. The way I do it is on a R&D PC running windows install cygwin and verify you have rdiff-backup working inside a cygwin shell. Now fire up a standard windows command prompt and create a temp folder (C:\my_rdiff_junk). Copy the rdiff-backup exe in there and try to run it from the dos command line. It will fail, but give you an error message about what DLL is missing. Find that in cygwin and copy it to your temp folder. ie. cp c:\cygwin\bin\{missing-dll} c:\my_rdiff_junk Repeat until you have all the DLLs you need to let rdiff-backup run. Last time I did something like this it was about 5 DLLs I think. You can then zip up your temp folder and send it out to your install base. Windows also has scheduled tasks that should let you invoke rdiff-backup on each PC. Greg Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On October 13, 2014 10:46:56 am Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for automated backups of heterogeneous desktops these days? I've been using rdiff-backup for many years for Linux clients, but now have a requirement to add Windows 7 to the mix. Years ago I used Samba's smbclient to copy shared Windows XP directories to a central Linux box under cron control, but I'm not sure that's the best way for incremental backups and it might not even work any more.
Any suggestions/ideas? Bacula?
Thanks, Lew
I use unison to back up files from various computers to a desktop server with a 3 GB drive,using nfs network. -- Bob Smits <bob@rsmits.ca> "Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO is the answer." - Erik Naggum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/07/2014 07:49 PM, Robert Smits wrote:
I use unison to back up files from various computers to a desktop server with a 3 GB drive,using nfs network.
Plus 1 for unison. You can operate it in a couple different ways, one to sync directories, and on to contribute to a consolidated backup. You can backup selected directories, and even selected files while forbidding the backup of other file types (like .cores). It comes in a variety of different versions which are not always compatible. Opensuse only has the latest version, but you must have the same version on all machines, linux, windows, etc. You are always stuck chasing the lowest common denominator, so save what ever version you install, and LOCK it in Yast/zypper so that it does not have an incompatible version overwriting the one that matches your servers and all the other stations. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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