FAQ for opensuse mailing list(s)
Hi, I remember reading complaints that the opensuse@opensuse.org mailing list is not as usable and enjoyable as it could be. (Do we have a similar problem on the other lists? I'm not aware of any, but please say so if I'm wrong.) I'd like to propose creating a FAQ to clarify the usual questions, like: - Purpose of the list - Good topics - Bad topics (and where to discuss them instead) - Preferred conduct - Preferred email and quoting style, if applicable - Subcribing / unsubscribing / archiving - ...? What do you think? We'd need volunteers to actually write down the stuff, and I know that some points are highly controversial and emotional. But you already are the opensuse community, and if this list can agree on a set of rules, I'd prefer those to anything that we (Novell/SUSE staff) would decree more or less arbitrarily. Sonja -- Sonja Krause-Harder (skh@suse.de) Research & Development SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
I'd like to propose creating a FAQ to clarify the usual questions, like:
Given that there can be a _opensuse-help_ list which talks about "issues" on the current opensuse, but probably this is done in high volume mailing list suse-linux-e
- Purpose of the list
Spread OpenSUSE, and as the wiki says "general discussions about the openSUSE project" ... emphasis on project ?
- Good topics - Bad topics (and where to discuss them instead)
depends on the "purpouse" ...
- Preferred conduct
can you make an example ? I don't get what you are pointing out, since respect, education and trying to write down the most decent english I am capable of are pre-requisites to ALL.
- Preferred email and quoting style, if applicable
plain text, my input under the minimun amount of quote needed to catch what's going on
- Subcribing / unsubscribing / archiving
a link in the footer of every email pointing out the mailto-links to get things done ...
What do you think? We'd need volunteers to actually write down the stuff,
I think that in the week end I could translate a mini how to on quoting from an italian friend of mine ... but I also remember ex-member of this list (houghi) linking to an already english one. I think it's all -- .~. Nicola -=KOOLINUS=- Losito /v\ http://www.koolinus.net | http://kool-solutions.blogspot.com // \\ /( )\ Linux Registered User #293182 ^^ ^^ icq:62837984 * Jabber-ID:koolinus@jabber.linux.it
Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
Hi,
I remember reading complaints that the opensuse@opensuse.org mailing list is not as usable and enjoyable as it could be. (Do we have a similar problem on the other lists? I'm not aware of any, but please say so if I'm wrong.)
I'd like to propose creating a FAQ to clarify the usual questions, like:
- Purpose of the list - Good topics - Bad topics (and where to discuss them instead) - Preferred conduct - Preferred email and quoting style, if applicable - Subcribing / unsubscribing / archiving - ...?
What do you think? We'd need volunteers to actually write down the stuff, and I know that some points are highly controversial and emotional. But you already are the opensuse community, and if this list can agree on a set of rules, I'd prefer those to anything that we (Novell/SUSE staff) would decree more or less arbitrarily.
Sonja
good idea jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net
Hello, Am Montag, 14. November 2005 15:05 schrieb Sonja Krause-Harder:
I'd like to propose creating a FAQ to clarify the usual questions, like:
- Purpose of the list - Good topics - Bad topics (and where to discuss them instead)
Good idea ;-)
- Preferred conduct - Preferred email and quoting style, if applicable
Also a good idea - but there's something about this in the wiki already: http://www.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette (maybe it needs some additions or changes, I didn't check the last weeks) Maybe we could also take some points from the www.suse-etikette.de.vu (in german: the netiquette of the suse-linux mailinglist) - it works mostly in the suse-linux mailinglist. (Why "mostly"? There are always people who ignore the rules :-/ ) Oh, we don't need an own mailinglist for netiquette discussions as there is for suse-linux - empirically, netiquette discussions (aka "endless threads") will *always* go to the main list :-/
- Subcribing / unsubscribing / archiving
Also an important topic, although it is already covered by the existing "Communicate" page IMHO. (If you consider this unclear/not enough/whatever, this page should be updated. Please don't create a page about "how to use the Communicate page" ;-)
- ...?
- Searching the archives (yes, this has been discussed already and I hope you are allowed to include a Google search. Christoph, are there any news about that?) - What do all those abbr. ;-) mean? (things like AFAIK, IIRC, IMHO, ...) - I have a problem. What can I do to solve it on myself? - How does a good question look like ("SUSE does not work" vs. "After installing SUSE 10.1 alpha2, program 'foo' exits with error message 'bar'") BTW: several of this points are taken from the german www.suse-minifaq.de.vu which could also inspire us ;-)
What do you think? We'd need volunteers to actually write down the stuff, and I know that some points are highly controversial and emotional. But you already are the opensuse community, and if this list can agree on a set of rules, I'd prefer those to anything that we (Novell/SUSE staff) would decree more or less arbitrarily.
+1 ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz --
Man kann natürlich immer diskutieren, welche Fachbegriffe man übersetzt diskutieren ist kein Deutsches Wort, sondern ebenfalls Latein. Auf Deutsch hieße das erörtern. [> Ratti und Bernd Brodesser in suse-linux]
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Christian Boltz wrote:
- ...?
- Searching the archives (yes, this has been discussed already and I hope you are allowed to include a Google search. Christoph, are there any news about that?)
RESOLVED WORKSFORME (since it has been fixed ;)) Regards Christoph
Christian Boltz wrote:
Also a good idea - but there's something about this in the wiki already: http://www.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette
I began this one and forgot about it :-) shouldn't this url be on any list mail (with the unsubscribe info)? jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 8:35 pm, in message <43798FC0.4010604@dodin.org>, jdd@dodin.org wrote: Christian Boltz wrote:
Also a good idea - but there's something about this in the wiki already: http://www.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette
I began this one and forgot about it :- )
Well I think this is really not good as it certainly will impact my own emails to this list. Often it is only possible to convey the whole message of who you are. Usually i put it in there as a reference once per thread. Whatever your habit it is not fair to choose 4 lines, when that is not even enough to say your address. So I propose to remove this: Most people on the list genuinely want to help people out in solving any issues they may have. Very large signature blocks at the bottom of emails can hinder this as they often swamp the actual body of the email. A good guideline is a maximum of four lines, each a maximum of eighty characters across (plain text of course). For reference read. Regards, Andreas Girardet Consulting Architect Novell, Inc., Software for the Open Enterprise http://www.novell.com/open openSUSE is SUPER: To help in the SUSE Performance Enhanced Release project visit http://www.opensuse.org/SUPER
Andreas Girardet wrote:
Well I think this is really not good as it certainly will impact my own emails to this list. Often it is only possible to convey the whole message of who you are. Usually i put it in there as a reference once per thread. Whatever your habit it is not fair to choose 4 lines, when that is not even enough to say your address.
So I propose to remove this:
Most people on the list genuinely want to help people out in solving any issues they may have. Very large signature blocks at the bottom of emails can hinder this as they often swamp the actual body of the email. A good guideline is a maximum of four lines, each a maximum of eighty characters across (plain text of course). For reference read.
this is a widely accepted limit, due to still many people having only modem 56k line your own signature could be : ....... Andreas Girardet Consulting Architect http://www.novell.com/open http://www.opensuse.org/SUPER ...... I seems evident that if you provide URL it's to invite us to visit :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net
Andreas Girardet wrote:
Well I think this is really not good as it certainly will impact my own emails to this list. Often it is only possible to convey the whole message of who you are. Usually i put it in there as a reference once per thread. Whatever your habit it is not fair to choose 4 lines, when that is not even enough to say your address.
Whether or not one personally follows it, it is still a good _guideline_, so why not leave as it is. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.ch/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution.
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Christoph Thiel -
jdd -
Nicola -kOoLiNuS- Losito -
Per Jessen -
Sonja Krause-Harder