On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Richard A Sharpe [11-23-05 19:11]:

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Is the only difference between open SuSE and SUSE 10 the included apps ? Just wondering if open SuSE was worth downloading.

1. There IS NO open SuSE distribution! 2. OpenSUSE is a project, primarily to make ready the next version. 3. There is: SUSE 10 OSS, SUSE 10 Eval

3a. There is also SUSE Linux 10.0 box version (not downloadable) that contains more than 5 GB of software for both 32 and 64 bit on a DVD9. SUSE 10 Eval contains ~ 3.5 GB.

4. SUSE 10 OSS is _only_ OSS software. 5. SUSE 10 Eval contains some non-OSS software 6. Either is worth downloading. 7. This HAS been explained ad nausium both here and on suse-linux-e! 8. Note: SUSE, not SuSE 9. You could have found out for yourself: http://www.opensuse.org/Download

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Hi all, my 2 pence, On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 05:40 -0500, Allen wrote:

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:02:45AM +0100, Martin Sommer wrote:

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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Richard A Sharpe [11-23-05 19:11]:

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Is the only difference between open SuSE and SUSE 10 the included apps ? Just wondering if open SuSE was worth downloading.

1. There IS NO open SuSE distribution! 2. OpenSUSE is a project, primarily to make ready the next version. 3. There is: SUSE 10 OSS, SUSE 10 Eval

We should make that a sig for this list lol.

YES

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3a. There is also SUSE Linux 10.0 box version (not downloadable) that contains more than 5 GB of software for both 32 and 64 bit on a DVD9. SUSE 10 Eval contains ~ 3.5 GB.

I've been wondering lately about the number of people wondering if they should download it. I think they should not.

I agree. I had some problems with some systems concurrently to an Evolution problem on my desktop workstation; all installed on OSS 10.0 that I downloaded (correctly re. md5sums) from opensuse.org. Later on I bought the original Novell "SUSE Linux 10.0" for €59,99 and installed it on my desktop. Suddenly the Evolution and a few other problems were cleared! In the installation I "UNCONDITIONALLY Updated" the OSS10.0 of my workstation and straight away afterwards did a YOU update. Wonder by wonder ... the Evolution problem SOLVED. Another 4 systems were re-installed, each with it's own odd problem; one with Evo, another with OpenVPN, another with Java, all with FireFox and RealPlayer 10, ... Because of the failing packages; which like Java is not that easy to install with the link for FireFox (which still did'nt work) and Opera (which worked), OSS10.0 for newbies is a little bothering. I advise all newbies to rather buy Novell's "SUSE Linux 10.0" in stead of struggeling/learning with the OSS10.0 as I have the last 3 weeks. It pays to support Novell's efforts to keep SUSE going. What could be the difference between OSS 10.0 and Novell's "SUSE Linux 10.0" core installations when disregarding the closed source 3rd party licensed packages I don't know. For up and comming learners (like me) and techies, downloading OSS 10.0 and struggeling a little is fun and a learning curve; which I do every time before I buy the boxed version any way for my desktop PC. I buy at least one OpenSource Distro per annum to support it. It is as cheap as a single restaurant dinner for 2 with 2 kids.

They should buy it and get the extra goodies. I've been buying it for quite some time and it's been worth it. It's not like it costs a lot.

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4. SUSE 10 OSS is _only_ OSS software. 5. SUSE 10 Eval contains some non-OSS software 6. Either is worth downloading. 7. This HAS been explained ad nausium both here and on suse-linux-e! 8. Note: SUSE, not SuSE 9. You could have found out for yourself: http://www.opensuse.org/Download

Sadly because of money being tight I have to download it for now :( Ah well Christmas is coming and so is my Birthday (5 days away) guess what I'm asking for :)

-Allen

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:-) Al

On Wednesday 23 November 2005 09:35 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

7. This HAS been explained ad nausium both here and on suse-linux-e! ad nauseam ---------------///////////

O.K. I understand that countless people have asked repetitive questions, but keep in mind not many people know to look for the answers (ergo we have listservs, forums, news servers, etc...) and be prepared for hundreds more to ask the VERY same question. It is not to much to ask to "copy & paste" links, type a neutral or polite toned answer, or flat out ignore the sender for the simple fact you can't maintain a level of decorum. We as a linux community are trying to grow and snippy; rude; snide remark are not exceptable even if your answers are right. - Donald Ade p.s. It can be spelled Suse, SuSEor SUSE. Novell is not handing awards for "proper" spelling of the product. "I'm sorry sir I can't answer your question due to the fact that I did not here you properly annunciate SUSE." calm down buddy WE ALL understand what was being said.

Although agreeing with everything else you sadi.. Donald Ade wrote

p.s. It can be spelled Suse, SuSEor SUSE.

No, not really :-) Just like you can't spell "iBm" or "IbM". SuSE is an acronym and the case sensivity is defined by orthographic rules of the german language. And you cannot just redefine the orthographic rules of the german language. If you write SuSE a different way, it is just wrong. Of course you can decide to misspell any word you want, but it will be wrong... Frank -- Dipl.-Inform. Frank Steiner Web: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/ Lehrstuhl f. Bioinformatik Mail: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/m/ LMU, Amalienstr. 17 Phone: +49 89 2180-4049 80333 Muenchen, Germany Fax: +49 89 2180-99-4049 * Rekursion kann man erst verstehen, wenn man Rekursion verstanden hat. *

On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 04:35:15PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Thursday 24 November 2005 16:27, Frank Steiner wrote:

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Although agreeing with everything else you sadi..

Donald Ade wrote

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p.s. It can be spelled Suse, SuSEor SUSE.

No, not really :-) Just like you can't spell "iBm" or "IbM". SuSE is an acronym and the case sensivity is defined by orthographic rules of the german language.

The word "Software" has nothing to do with the German language :)

Some of the best software in the World came from Germany .

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And you cannot just redefine the orthographic rules of the german language. If you write SuSE a different way, it is just wrong. Of course you can decide to misspell any word you want, but it will be wrong...

It no longer stands for anything

Yes it does: Excellence. -Allen

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Sorry I started something here, I guess maybe since I am bilingual I should post to the German language list. Richard A Sharpe 8 Meadowview Lane Merrimack, NH 03054 "Treat everyone with politeness, even those who are rude to you, not because they are kind, but because you are." -----Original Message----- From: LLLActive@GMX.Net [mailto:LLLActive@GMX.Net] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:22 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] SuSE Open VS SuSE 10 professional Actually, for multilaualists it does matter ... On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 16:35 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Thursday 24 November 2005 16:27, Frank Steiner wrote:

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Although agreeing with everything else you sadi..

Donald Ade wrote

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p.s. It can be spelled Suse, SuSEor SUSE.

No, not really :-) Just like you can't spell "iBm" or "IbM". SuSE is an acronym and the case sensivity is defined by orthographic rules of the german language.

The word "Software" has nothing to do with the German language :)

Well, "Software" is an Anglisism in German these days. Such words are always written in capital letters in German. So Frank as a German knows what he is talking about. See the Wikipedia article: Suse. "SuSE was originally an acronym for the German phrase "Software- und System-Entwicklung" ("Software and system development"). The company is now simply called SuSE Linux, and "SuSE" does not officially stand for anything any more. There is unofficial rumour that the name is an analogy with the German computer pioneer Konrad Zuse. " That is why in Germany it was known as SuSE (S_oftware- u_nd S_ystem-E_ntwicklung). When it was sold, Novell took over the name and changed it to SUSE. In American and English there are no anglo-american conotated words it relates to anymore. peace Al

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And you cannot just redefine the orthographic rules of the german language. If you write SuSE a different way, it is just wrong. Of course you can decide to misspell any word you want, but it will be wrong...

SuSE used to be an acronym, but it isn't anymore. Since a while now, the correct way to write it is SUSE and nothing else. It no longer stands for anything

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Anders, On Thursday 24 November 2005 07:35, Anders Johansson wrote:

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SuSE used to be an acronym, but it isn't anymore. Since a while now, the correct way to write it is SUSE and nothing else. It no longer stands for anything

Yet much of what's coming from Novell still reads SuSE, including both the 10.0 printed matter and the on-screen displays it produces. Personally, I find the homogenization / loss of that distinctiveness disappointing, but it's also an utter triviality. Randall Schulz

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Yet much of what's coming from Novell still reads SuSE, including both the 10.0 printed matter and the on-screen displays it produces.

If it does, feel free to open a bugreport and we'll take care of it. There're far too many places that were changed and engineering is in such cases never asked ;-(

The applications starting with S[uU]SE: SUSEgreeter SuSEVbox SuSEVboxConf SuSEconfig SuSEfirewall2 I won't file a bug report for these, I'm sure that my neighbours in Germany can do: SU<tab> Su<tab> Have a nice weekend, Aschwin Marsman -- aschwin@marsman.org http://www.marsman.org

On Friday 25 November 2005 02:17 pm, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:

Aschwin Marsman schrieb:

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Yet much of what's coming from Novell still reads SuSE, including both the 10.0 printed matter and the on-screen displays it produces.

If it does, feel free to open a bugreport and we'll take care of it. There're far too many places that were changed and engineering is in such cases never asked ;-(

The applications starting with S[uU]SE: [...]

I admit I'm really missing the old SuSE branding and would like to ask you not to file bugs for that. Nostalgia, you know.

Regards, Carl-Daniel (Not speaking for anyone except myself)

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I think you can still use "SuSE" maybe like trekker and trekkie. - Donald Ade

Frank schrieb/wrote/a écrit/escribió:

Anders Johansson wrote

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SuSE used to be an acronym, but it isn't anymore. Since a while now, the [..] those of us who've been using SuSE for a while (I started in 1996), SuSE always was and will always be an acronym and the only correct way to spell it is "SuSE". Nothing you can do about that ;-)

Hmm, some of us often call(ed) 'her' Susi ... SCNR Peter