[opensuse] YaST Online Update Offering Firefox 3.5 Upgrade (w/ Incompatibilities)?

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Randall R Schulz

13 Apr 2010 13 Apr '10

15:58

Hi, Today both my 11.1 machines are showing this pair of updates: - mozilla-xulrunner190 - mozilla-xulrunner190: Update to version 1.9.0.19 - firefox35upgrade - MozillaFirefox: Update to version 3.5.9 These trigger incompatibility warnings: #### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2010-04-13 08:55:28 #### MozillaFirefox-3.5.9-0.1.1.i586 requires MozillaFirefox-branding = 3.5, but this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-3.5.9-0.1.1.i586[repo-update] [ ] deinstallation of MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE-3.0.3-3.11.i586 [ ] Following actions will be done: do not install patch:firefox35upgrade-2262.noarch do not install patch:mozilla-xulrunner190-2261.noarch [ ] Ignore some dependencies of MozillaFirefox #### YaST2 conflicts list END ### I'm curious if this upgrade is in a mistake of some sort? I was under the impression that openSUSE does not run major version upgrades via the update mechanism. Am I mistaken about that? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Marcus Meissner

13 Apr 13 Apr

16:02

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 08:58:54AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Today both my 11.1 machines are showing this pair of updates:

- mozilla-xulrunner190 - mozilla-xulrunner190: Update to version 1.9.0.19 - firefox35upgrade - MozillaFirefox: Update to version 3.5.9

These trigger incompatibility warnings:

#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2010-04-13 08:55:28 ####

MozillaFirefox-3.5.9-0.1.1.i586 requires MozillaFirefox-branding = 3.5, but this requirement cannot be provided uninstallable providers: MozillaFirefox-branding-upstream-3.5.9-0.1.1.i586[repo-update]

[ ] deinstallation of MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE-3.0.3-3.11.i586

[ ] Following actions will be done: do not install patch:firefox35upgrade-2262.noarch do not install patch:mozilla-xulrunner190-2261.noarch

[ ] Ignore some dependencies of MozillaFirefox

#### YaST2 conflicts list END ###

I'm curious if this upgrade is in a mistake of some sort? I was under the impression that openSUSE does not run major version upgrades via the update mechanism. Am I mistaken about that?

As the Firefox 3.0 browser comes to end of life we have decided to upgrade firefox to version 3.5, so this update is genuine. It should not have brought above error though. option 1 (deinstallation of branding-openSUSE would be a solution). *sigh* Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

16:20

On Tuesday April 13 2010, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 08:58:54AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Today both my 11.1 machines are showing this pair of updates:

- mozilla-xulrunner190 - mozilla-xulrunner190: Update to version 1.9.0.19 - firefox35upgrade - MozillaFirefox: Update to version 3.5.9

These trigger incompatibility warnings:

#### YaST2 conflicts list - generated 2010-04-13 08:55:28 #### ...

I'm curious if this upgrade is in a mistake of some sort? I was under the impression that openSUSE does not run major version upgrades via the update mechanism. Am I mistaken about that?

As the Firefox 3.0 browser comes to end of life we have decided to upgrade firefox to version 3.5, so this update is genuine.

Great. I'm glad I delayed on doing the upgrade myself. (I'm getting pretty peeved at 3.0 crashing on me!)

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It should not have brought above error though. option 1 (deinstallation of branding-openSUSE would be a solution).

Is it possible this is something that you will rectify? If so, I'll just wait. If I can help diagnosing it, please let me know.

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*sigh*

Ciao, Marcus

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Marcus Meissner

16:52

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:20:10AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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As the Firefox 3.0 browser comes to end of life we have decided to upgrade firefox to version 3.5, so this update is genuine.

Great. I'm glad I delayed on doing the upgrade myself. (I'm getting pretty peeved at 3.0 crashing on me!)

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It should not have brought above error though. option 1 (deinstallation of branding-openSUSE would be a solution).

Is it possible this is something that you will rectify? If so, I'll just wait. If I can help diagnosing it, please let me know.

Of course. I have just released a new MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE package (the one from 11.2) to 11.1 which should be on the mirror shortly. This fixes it on my test setup here. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

17:03

On Tuesday April 13 2010, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Of course. I have just released a new MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE package (the one from 11.2) to 11.1 which should be on the mirror shortly.

Fabulous. Thanks.

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This fixes it on my test setup here.

Ciao, Marcus

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Randall R Schulz

18:36

On Tuesday April 13 2010, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Of course. I have just released a new MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE package (the one from 11.2) to 11.1 which should be on the mirror shortly.

This fixes it on my test setup here.

Well, I upgraded and apart from a couple of add-ons that were not compatible (fortunately not critical ones for me) everything went very smoothly. My 15 windows and 120 tabs and the skin were all precisely as I'd left them (windows+tabs courtesy of TabMix Plus).

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Ciao, Marcus

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Philipp Thomas

14 Apr 14 Apr

01:42

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:36:14 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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My 15 windows and 120 tabs and the skin were all precisely as

Hmm, small windows or huge monitors, what is it? I tend to guess the former :) Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

02:12

On Tuesday April 13 2010, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:36:14 -0700, Randall R Schulz

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My 15 windows and 120 tabs and the skin were all precisely as

Hmm, small windows or huge monitors, what is it? I tend to guess the former :)

All the windows are maximized on a single virtual desktop, so naturally I can see only one at a time. It works for me.

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Philipp

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Philipp Thomas

21:18

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:12:21 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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All the windows are maximized on a single virtual desktop, so naturally I can see only one at a time.

Ahh, similiar setup as I have at work, i.e. 8 virtual desktops, 6 of them filled with full screen browser windows. Luckily I have two monitors to display the desktops so that I can have two fullscreen apps running side by side. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:10

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:12:21 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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All the windows are maximized on a single virtual desktop, so naturally I can see only one at a time.

Ahh, similiar setup as I have at work, i.e. 8 virtual desktops, 6 of them filled with full screen browser windows. Luckily I have two monitors to display the desktops so that I can have two fullscreen apps running side by side.

The problem is that Firefox is a memory hog. PR VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM COMMAND 20 123m 52m 13m R 26 0.7 npviewer.bin 20 867m 232m 31m S 2 2.9 firefox I have seen it using over a gigabyte. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvGPWAACgkQU92UU+smfQVMBQCfUiOWIGOBHBvZ6YAb2FxaRn7k BjIAn0cJXby5jnuWmLgqh58SRm+6iY0/ =p91B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

22:38

New subject: [opensuse] FF the RAM hog (was: YaST Online Upd...)

On 2010/04/15 00:10 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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The problem is that Firefox is a memory hog.

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PR VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM COMMAND

20 123m 52m 13m R 26 0.7 npviewer.bin 20 867m 232m 31m S 2 2.9 firefox

What uptime, and how many tabs? These are all 14 days uptime with average tab count 11.75: %CPU %MEM VIRT RES SHR COMMAND TIME+ 3 9.3 697m 373m 12m X 333:33.59 6 8.2 490m 327m 24m seamonkey-bin 846:31.13 3 4.3 488m 171m 40m firefox 520:21.26 0 3.3 223m 134m 25m seamonkey-bin 7:08.71 0 3.2 219m 126m 21m firefox-bin 23:57.38 0 1.1 80264 43m 23m konqueror 22:29.50 0 0.8 137m 31m 20m epiphany 11:28.35 0 0.8 99.1m 30m 18m firefox 1:18.12 0 0.5 41488 20m 13m kicker 15:28.21 -- "Suppos [sic] a nation in some distant region, should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopa, What a paradise would this region be!" John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams

23:34

New subject: [opensuse] FF the RAM hog (was: YaST Online Upd...)

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 18:38 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2010/04/15 00:10 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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The problem is that Firefox is a memory hog. PR VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM COMMAND 20 123m 52m 13m R 26 0.7 npviewer.bin 20 867m 232m 31m S 2 2.9 firefox What uptime, and how many tabs? These are all 14 days uptime with average tab count 11.75: %CPU %MEM VIRT RES SHR COMMAND TIME+ 3 9.3 697m 373m 12m X 333:33.59

For 12 tabs... I guess that doesn't seem unreasonable. And it depends a great deal on the sites in question. That's ~33MB per tab, generously. Given what a modern browser has to deal with I don't see a terrible issue. I used FF all day, and it doesn't strike me as particularly portly. Removing "add-ons" [aka: bugs] also helps. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

15 Apr 15 Apr

00:08

New subject: [opensuse] FF the RAM hog

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-04-15 01:34, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 18:38 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2010/04/15 00:10 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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The problem is that Firefox is a memory hog. PR VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM COMMAND 20 123m 52m 13m R 26 0.7 npviewer.bin 20 867m 232m 31m S 2 2.9 firefox What uptime, and how many tabs?

Sometime days, sometimes minutes.

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These are all 14 days uptime with average tab count 11.75: %CPU %MEM VIRT RES SHR COMMAND TIME+ 3 9.3 697m 373m 12m X 333:33.59

For 12 tabs... I guess that doesn't seem unreasonable. And it depends a great deal on the sites in question. That's ~33MB per tab, generously. Given what a modern browser has to deal with I don't see a terrible issue.

The thing is that you close all the tabs but one and it still uses that much memory. You have to exit (with save tabs) and start it again: hey, now mine uses about 600 megs instead of 900 as before. A lot of that gigabyte was unused memory holes. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvGWQ0ACgkQU92UU+smfQXvfACgig0DpSDFVsM9imWyJdIe/GQu 13kAn3zaaf7zwtnx1On9UVA//vwIqpkP =UGdX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Adam Tauno Williams

00:59

New subject: [opensuse] FF the RAM hog

On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 02:08 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 18:38 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2010/04/15 00:10 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

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The problem is that Firefox is a memory hog. PR VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM COMMAND 20 123m 52m 13m R 26 0.7 npviewer.bin 20 867m 232m 31m S 2 2.9 firefox What uptime, and how many tabs? Sometime days, sometimes minutes. These are all 14 days uptime with average tab count 11.75: %CPU %MEM VIRT RES SHR COMMAND TIME+ 3 9.3 697m 373m 12m X 333:33.59 For 12 tabs... I guess that doesn't seem unreasonable. And it depends a great deal on the sites in question. That's ~33MB per tab, generously. Given what a modern browser has to deal with I don't see a terrible issue. The thing is that you close all the tabs but one and it still uses

On 2010-04-15 01:34, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: that much memory.

Yes, and no. The definition of "uses" is important. In UNIX pages typically are not recovered from an application unless there is memory pressure; doing so is just a waste of effort. A long running process will be as large as it is as the largest point - it is a feature, not a bug. Within the process those pages can be recycled.

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You have to exit (with save tabs) and start it again: hey, now mine uses about 600 megs instead of 900 as before. A lot of that gigabyte was unused memory holes.

Exactly, and if the systems needs the 'space' occupied by those holes it can throw them out to swap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

06:41

New subject: [opensuse] FF the RAM hog

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2010-04-15 02:59, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 02:08 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The thing is that you close all the tabs but one and it still uses that much memory.

Yes, and no. The definition of "uses" is important. In UNIX pages typically are not recovered from an application unless there is memory pressure; doing so is just a waste of effort. A long running process will be as large as it is as the largest point - it is a feature, not a bug. Within the process those pages can be recycled.

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You have to exit (with save tabs) and start it again: hey, now mine uses about 600 megs instead of 900 as before. A lot of that gigabyte was unused memory holes.

Exactly, and if the systems needs the 'space' occupied by those holes it can throw them out to swap.

As far as the system is concerned, it is memory claimed to being used by the process. If the system needs memory, it may swap-out the process, and later, when the process get swapped back in it probably will not try to access the holes and these remain in swap. Still, those memory "holes" remain "officially" in use by the process. Otherwise, that RAM is not available to the system, which is a waste (it can be half a gigabyte). This I can notice in my old PC, which has only 1 GB. If I suspend to disk everything get swapped out; later things run faster because a fair amount of memory remains swaped out and thus there is more ram available, as shown by "top". As Firefox is used for days it runs slower and slower; in fact the entire system runs sluggish, trashing, till I close and restart Firefox. In my new system with "lots" of ram this is not noticed. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAkvGtQcACgkQja8UbcUWM1xKDQD/Y78MwTrupANhgDaCtl/5sj/B 1eZrfYiwDzJfmUjy2YQA/2f3pDZh5PUx0brvS+P+NzTHOr9k5Xb75ptVDCWn6B0Q =m9+N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Ewart

14 Apr 14 Apr

12:40

Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:20:10AM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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As the Firefox 3.0 browser comes to end of life we have decided to upgrade firefox to version 3.5, so this update is genuine. Great. I'm glad I delayed on doing the upgrade myself. (I'm getting pretty peeved at 3.0 crashing on me!)

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It should not have brought above error though. option 1 (deinstallation of branding-openSUSE would be a solution). Is it possible this is something that you will rectify? If so, I'll just wait. If I can help diagnosing it, please let me know.

Of course. I have just released a new MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE package (the one from 11.2) to 11.1 which should be on the mirror shortly.

This fixes it on my test setup here.

Ciao, Marcus It is not working on 11.0.

When it first came up, it said that "Duplicate Tab" was not compatible. So I uninstalled it and tried to install tabberwocky. It said that addons were not enabled, hit the enable button. I tried that with no change. Then I tried renaming ~/.mozilla and let it build a new one. Still had problems. I re-installed firefox and the branding. I installed FEBE ok. I tried to install Tabberwocky and it installed and said to restart Firefox. I hit the button and nothing came up. When I started Firefox again, the add-ons menu still said that I need to restart Firefox. How can I re-install the old version until you get this one working? -- Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org