Hi, ome days ago, there have been some questions regarding KDE (don't know exactly, because I'm still using fvwm and don't care about KDE, GNOME ;) Just got this update from our maintainer: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Ralph, thank you for your feedback! 1) missing libraries: Three packages are missing indeed: mico, libmikmo and plink. They contain libmico2.2.6, libmikmod and libpisock. Solution: We will add these packages to our server. With koffice and corba there is a problem: There is no version running with plain KDE 1.1.1 available. koffice and corba is developed together with the KDE main development and Qt 2.0. To use them you would have to use daily KDE snapshots, which are very unstable. Solution: koffice and corba will temporarily removed from our server. As soon as there is a solution, we will make new packages of koffice and corba. 2) Too many links and versions: The multiple versions have been removed a few days ago. Sorry for having them there for a couple of days. I restructured that now a bit. All fullnamed RPMS are in a subdirectory. Now you can make mget *.rpm Please see at the updated INDEX for details.
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 01:04:06 +0100 From: Ralph Clark <rclark@virgosolutions.demon.co.uk> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com, support@suse.de Subject: KDE 1.1.1 failed dependencies / FTP directory management
1) Summary: There are some crucial libraries missing from the KDE 1.1.1 rpms on ftp.suse.com.
Today another batch of KDE 1.1.1 stuff appeared on the ftp server I figured it was a good time to move from KDE 1.1 -> KDE 1.1.1.
Unfortunately attempting this as an upgrade didn't work very well. It was necessary for me to uninstall a few of the original (from the CD) KDE 1.1 packages, namely klibs and corba, in order for the new ones to install.
This meant failed dependencies subsequently so I "--force'd" the lot then ran the rpms again to check for any remaining failed dependencies.
Right enough, there were. They are as follows (sorted via library name)
libmico2.2.6.so is needed by arts-0.3.0-8 libkdeutil.so.2 is needed by corba-1.1pre2-25 libkdeutil.so.2 is needed by koffice-990203-22 libkhtml.so.2 is needed by corba-1.1pre2-25 libkhtml.so.2 is needed by koffice-990203-22 libkio.so.2 is needed by corba-1.1pre2-25 libkio.so.2 is needed by koffice-990203-22 libmikmod.so.1 is needed by kmikmod-2.02-5 libmikmod.so.1 is needed by kmodbox-0.4.0-5 libpisock.so.3 is needed by kpilot-3.1b9-0
These files are nowhere to be found among the KDE rpms on the ftp site.
SuSE, this needs fixing.
Everyone else - can anyone tell me what packages these files used to belong to? I suppose I need to install some old rpms with "--force" then try the KDE 1.1.1 packages on top as an upgrade (again). Mind you, I'm not too sure that these missing libraries were ever there in the first place.
I'm not too sure that this is going to work. It looks like SuSE are a few versions away from getting this right. I'm pretty hacked off about that - it took _hours_ to download that lot and I have a sneaking suspicion SuSE's only available fix will be many new large rpms.
2) Summary: FTP 'suse update' directories could be better arranged.
SuSE, do you _really_have_to_ put short and long file rpm filenames and multiple version numbers of rpms in the same directory? When there are a lot of files to select it makes it _very_ time consuming to select just one version of each file that has changed since the last time. I ended up doing it manually and going over it several times just to be sure I wasn't missing anything or selecting multiple versions. Imagine my frustration when the ftp connection kept dying at your end and I had to keep re-doing the selection (neither kfm nor xftp supports REGET it seems).
There is probably a way around it but not everybody is going to find it in time (I didn't). Please refrain from ever putting the full rpm name and the short name link in the same directory. And please do not put multiple versions in the same directory either. Then we can just disable overwriting and do a wildcard get into the same directory each time. We really shouldn't be forced to select over 200 files out of about 300 by hand.
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On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Hubert Mantel wrote: Let me try to give you an update on this:
With koffice and corba there is a problem: There is no version running with plain KDE 1.1.1 available. koffice and corba is developed together with the KDE main development and Qt 2.0. To use them you would have to use daily KDE snapshots, which are very unstable.
This will remain so for quite some time due to the fact that Qt (1.x -> 2.0) as well as KDE (1.1.x -> 2.0) are undergoing major overhauls of core features. KDE's transition to the K Object Model/OpenParts means a complete re-write of core parts of KDE. But it's worth it, believe me. We (KDE) plan to release an alpha or pre-release around September. However, we are discouraging distributors from shipping it. ;-) It will be buggy and unstable.
Solution: koffice and corba will temporarily removed from our server. As soon as there is a solution, we will make new packages of koffice and corba.
There are talks to release statically linked versions of all KOffice application. These binaries, however, would be _huge_ and therefore our KOffice developers are reluctant to do so. Meanwhile, well, unless you are very daring users or developers stay away from KDE's and KOffice's daily snapshots. Uwe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uwe Thiem Tel: +264 - 061 - 244511 P.O.Box 30955 Fax: +264 - 061 - 244511 Windhoek Email: uwe@uwix.alt.na Republic of Namibia uwe@kde.org <A HREF="http://www.kde.org"><A HREF="http://www.kde.org</A">http://www.kde.org</A</A>> ********************************** You can still escape from the GATES of hell: Use KDE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Uwe Thiem wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Hubert Mantel wrote:
Let me try to give you an update on this:
With koffice and corba there is a problem: There is no version running with plain KDE 1.1.1 available. koffice and corba is developed together with the KDE main development and Qt 2.0. To use them you would have to use daily KDE snapshots, which are very unstable.
This will remain so for quite some time due to the fact that Qt (1.x -> 2.0) as well as KDE (1.1.x -> 2.0) are undergoing major overhauls of core features. KDE's transition to the K Object Model/OpenParts means a complete re-write of core parts of KDE. But it's worth it, believe me.
We (KDE) plan to release an alpha or pre-release around September. However, we are discouraging distributors from shipping it. ;-) It will be buggy and unstable.
With other words slightly more stable than windows 2000???? Juergen -- ========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann mail: brauki@cityweb.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu| /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ==========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
Uwe Thiem wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Hubert Mantel wrote:
Let me try to give you an update on this:
With koffice and corba there is a problem: There is no version running with plain KDE 1.1.1 available. koffice and corba is developed together with the KDE main development and Qt 2.0. To use them you would have to use daily KDE snapshots, which are very unstable.
This will remain so for quite some time due to the fact that Qt (1.x -> 2.0) as well as KDE (1.1.x -> 2.0) are undergoing major overhauls of core features. KDE's transition to the K Object Model/OpenParts means a complete re-write of core parts of KDE. But it's worth it, believe me.
We (KDE) plan to release an alpha or pre-release around September. However, we are discouraging distributors from shipping it. ;-) It will be buggy and unstable.
With other words slightly more stable than windows 2000????
You got it. Uwe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uwe Thiem Tel: +264 - 061 - 244511 P.O.Box 30955 Fax: +264 - 061 - 244511 Windhoek Email: uwe@uwix.alt.na Republic of Namibia uwe@kde.org <A HREF="http://www.kde.org"><A HREF="http://www.kde.org</A">http://www.kde.org</A</A>> ********************************** You can still escape from the GATES of hell: Use KDE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Hi, On Fri, Jun 04, Uwe Thiem wrote: [...]
We (KDE) plan to release an alpha or pre-release around September. However, we are discouraging distributors from shipping it. ;-) It will be buggy and unstable.
Thank you very much for these clear words. I'm sure we will be flooded with the question "why does SuSE ship an 'outdated' version of KDE" in September ;) [...]
Meanwhile, well, unless you are very daring users or developers stay away from KDE's and KOffice's daily snapshots.
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