Years ago, Apple did this by donating Apple IIs to schools and user groups. Many schools around the country were very Mac centric. With the price of MS Office today, one can just about buy a whole new computer with Linux and Star Office preinstalled for the price of just one MS Office. It is important today for Sun (Star Office), Corel (Word Perfect et. al.) and Applixware to be agressive in the M$ compatibility. On 17 Mar 00, at 11:48, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

M$ is also entrenched in the colledge and school system.

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Years ago, Apple did this by donating Apple IIs to schools and user groups. Many schools around the country were very Mac centric. With the price of MS Office today, one can just about buy a whole new computer with Linux and Star Office preinstalled for the price of just one MS Office. It is important today for Sun (Star Office), Corel (Word Perfect et. al.) and Applixware to be agressive in the M$ compatibility.

They should also support read/write for each others format (if they don't already). ie. Star Office should be able to write a document out and Word Perfect should be able to read it in, edit and write it back out.

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M$ is also entrenched in the colledge and school system.

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At 01:15 PM 3/17/2000 -0600, Jack Malone wrote:

You might get her to check at school an see if she can ge an education version as a study. I know at One of the local colleges here in tyler that you can get a study copy of ms office for abt $40 or so. just a suggestion

Yep will look into that , but thats still puting $into M$ pocket. Guess we will have to grin and bear along with it. So far I like what I have seen of applixware , but that doesnt help her out.

jack

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M$ is also entrenched in the colledge and school system. My wife nneds to get a copy of M$ Office , or otherwise stay after/before calss to use the colledge cpus to do some of the ocuse work. Thats all they use. They state thats becouse the buissines world used M$. So it looks like I'll be getting acopy for her. Shes taking CIS and I guess there no way around it. I am not looking foward to more crashes and blue screen, I get enough of those from all the instaall/deinstall od kids programs. Just got done formating and reinstalling the system a week ago. Thats how bad it got. Its calmed down for now, untill more stuff gets put on it.

O think it just a M$ tacktic to get as meny on the M$ bandwagon as early as possable. Note that Korea turned down a M$ proposal to putt M$ on all there educational iustitutes. They saw it wotr wat it was. A try to get the M$ foot in the door. Hence there attempt to go solely with linux for there educational need. Looks like they wetre right.

I deffinatly think there will be a lot of noise/outrage from the new licencing key issue , especiualy once consumers want to reinstall it. Especialy after forking over severl hu=ndred bucks just to get a one shot isntall , not to mention that once you suport is up you will need to poay what ever the going single teck support call rate that is in effect so that Teck can say you need to re install , and then the antics can realy start with the key fiasco.

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I'd argue with that - the majority of Windows users are corporate users. They usually know how to use the tools they are given to do their job, very few are IT literate to the point of being able to change screen resolution without a call to the helpdesk. I work day-to-day in an M$ shop, it's frightening that even something as simple as changing a font is seen as a major challenge. At least it stops them meddling.......Office is popular because it forms a platform for the corporates to develop their own apps on. Again, there's a world of difference between knowing that pushing button "Connect to mainframe" gets them into the Accounts system, another entirely to know what happens when the button is pushed.

Most Windows users wouldn't notice if you put Linux on their boxes, as long as the apps worked the same.

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Look, your all missing one fundamental point. Users know windows and

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MS-Office, that keeps MS on top.

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I just tried applixware and star office an a P150/32meg ram and built in 2 meg vidio. Staroffice is a complete system hog. SLOOOOW , even slower with KDE. I removed it and am using applixware. I runs nicely with xfce and I like the fact that is has sql ability. Hopefullyu I can use it with postgress for minor database apps. I couldent get wordperfect to print in coler , something with the s rptint drivers and pass throgh postscript not suporting color. every tthing esleprints in color. This is the first machine for office use that is soly rung linux. no windows ( I allready ahve a fileserver and anm still tring to get the firewall working). So the good news is that we oo are also weaning ourselofs off of M$. It just take time and applications. Cant wait for Wordperfect Office. That I cant wait to try out. At 08:58 AM 3/17/2000 -0700, Buddy Coffey wrote:

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Most Windows users wouldn't notice if you put Linux on their boxes, as long as the apps worked the same.

Here's a real-life story of one organization making the transition. The company wants to get rid of old SGI hardware and standardize to one type of platform and OS. The engineers have been using the SGIs for scientific work and PC/Win machines for writing reports, etc.

Their solution was to give everyone Linux PCs with a VMWare "Win-in-a-Box" in which to run their old M$ apps. It didn't matter if VMWare wasn't as efficient as native hosting. After all, how many CPU cycles does it take to process a keystroke? :)

The engineers are delighted. They have more powerful workstations for their scientific work (done natively with Linux/X) and can still write reports, etc., with M$ Office stuff on a VMWare machine. As they wean themselves away from M$ Office, the engineers are beginning to use Applixware and/or StarOffice.

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