On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:

On Monday, 2012-09-17 at 15:03 +0200, Andrea Turrini wrote:

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is it possible to tell zypper to do not perform the check for deleted files used by running processes after an update?

Why would you want to disable it?

Another alternative is to simply ignore the prompt. Since I can't imagine a circumstance under which one would not appreciate the warning, I can imagine that there's been no development effort invested in being able to disable it. I wish this function would come to yum and apt-get! -- Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-19 09:19, Andrea Turrini wrote:

2012/9/19 Christofer C. Bell <>:

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Why would you want to disable it?

Because I find it useless for my purposes as I shutdown my system every day (it is a laptop, not a server); moreover, zypper and yast behaviors are different.

I don't see the relation between system shutdown and zypper.

In fact I ignore the prompt but anyway I find it annoying. I think that it is a good think that when you add a new functionality that is not mandatory but you consider it useful, you can enable it by default but allow users to disable it via a command-line or config file option.

But it is mandatory... :-) Just give thanks that it doesn't issue an 'wall' :-p - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBZgH0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxpS6wCffTfy0OoOnEXeDgP5oQnhZBMi zA0Ani4Mpszz++Xp5k5fCQ4LICWkn7sb =YNj0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, did you try here: http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/ -e On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:53 +0200, Andrea Turrini wrote:

2012/9/19 Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:

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Because I find it useless for my purposes as I shutdown my system every day (it is a laptop, not a server); moreover, zypper and yast behaviors are different.

I don't see the relation between system shutdown and zypper.

If I have understood correctly, the aim of this check is to inform you that some used file has been changed, so by "zypper ps" you can find which processes are affected and then restart them manually. Since I shutdown the system daily, I postpone their restart to the next boot, so I do not need to be informed about such processes.

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But it is mandatory... :-) Just give thanks that it doesn't issue an 'wall' :-p

Oh well, at least it does not ask you to reboot the system *now* to apply changes ;-)

Best, Andrea

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:53:45 +0200 Andrea Turrini <andrea.turrini@gmail.com> wrote:

If I have understood correctly, the aim of this check is to inform you that some used file has been changed,

Right.

so by "zypper ps" you can find which processes are affected and then restart them manually.

Right.

Since I shutdown the system daily, I postpone their restart to the next boot, so I do not need to be informed about such processes.

You better be informed and restart as soon as possible. That warning is not a case of over engineering, it is necessity. Applications use libraries that are loaded in a memory. If library is common to many applications, another that starts will use the same library instance, it will not load new one. Library will stay in memory as long as any applications is using it. When you run KDE then kdelibs are loaded very early and they will be unloaded from memory only when the last application that is using them exits. During daily use kdelibs and application versions match and all is working without problems. Whatever version is on a hard disk, the same is in the memory. Mismatch can't happen, unless one is mixing repos and forcing installations that zypper is complaining about. When you run update that will download and install on a disk new version of kdelibs and all applications that need them, but those that are already loaded in a memory are old versions. What will happen when you, or worse system, start some of updated applications? It will ask for libraries, but as they are already in a memory system will not load new, matching version, and application will use old version. We have library mismatch problem. Sometimes it doesn't matter, sometimes it blows in the face, like when misbehaving application takes down whole desktop and Xorg, leaving you without few hours of work. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-20 08:47, Andrea Turrini wrote:

2012/9/20 Rajko <>:

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That warning is not a case of over engineering, it is necessity.

So, if it is a necessity, why is it missing in YaST? I think it is more useful for ordinary users that install/update their system via YaST than for more expert users using zypper.

Yes, YaST should also do that test. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBbUYYACgkQja8UbcUWM1yQ3gEAoWmHPtKgAbYb3Cg40yIe+EXM +UBLaenhFuJe8ysthksBAJ1muRXpwYn7uaMzHZczrs8u5Z6cPfO3H4mZur3nDsNJ =pUP8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/20/2012 07:55 PM, Rajko wrote:

I still don't get what is the problem? It is something like 1 or 2 lines.

There is no real problem but as I wrote in my initial reply to Carlos, I find it useless for my purposes, so I asked if it is possible to disable it. Up to now, no one answered to my initial question. I have had to find the answer by myself by looking inside the source code.

I don't know what language version you are using, but in English, message is only warning and only recommendation to run 'zypper ps', if user wants to. For sure, it doesn't suggest that one must run 'zypper ps' or else :)

I use English and the exact message is: There are some running programs that use files deleted by recent upgrade. You may wish to restart some of them. Run 'zypper ps' to list these programs. So, if I want to list affected programs, I have to run "zypper ps", as I wrote. Or do you know another way to obtain such list? Well, for install/update, by some advanced bash scripting you can combine zypper history, rpm contents and lists of files used by running processes in order to find such processes, but when you remove packages...

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So, if it is a necessity, why is it missing in YaST?

That something is missing in YaST doesn't mean it is not needed.

It is useful but it is not a necessity (in the meaning given by logic to the term necessity).

It could be that is not implemented yet, or it will appear only when you configure YaST software management to show summary. Default is just to exit.

I use summary, but have no pending updates right now so I can't check. Problem is also that warning does not appear when update is applied to software that is not running, so it can be even harder to test.

I think it is not implemented since if implemented, it is well hidden or at least I am not able to find it: I checked each menu but nothing seems to recall such functionality. As you, I use summary and the only available logs are the Installation log (list of changed packages) and Post-Installation log (output of SUSEconfig).

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I think it is more useful for ordinary users that install/update their system via YaST than for more expert users using zypper.

I think it is good to use whatever floats your boat.

but if you have to row, it is better to jettison unnecessary ballast.

For me both, zypper and YaST Software Management, and related modules, have almost distinctive use.

For me too.

Even without warning experienced user will know from list of updated packages what is the next step.

So they do not need this reminder since: updated firefox -> restart firefox; updated kernel -> reboot; updated manufacturer_PPDs -> restart cups; updated gimp -> ignore (gimp not running) updated unknown library -> zypper ps. Summing up: experienced users do not need the warning as they know what to do; non-experienced users usually use YaST and they do not have warnings since YaST does not show them.

BTW, did you try to run 'zypper ps' after YaST Online Update? It should work.

With YaST sw_single it works (YOU not tried), but it has strange side effects on yast such as: "Deleting <package>" while sw_single is installing it and no Installation log available in the summary. Bug report?

Thanks to your complaint my list of items to watch is a bit bigger and 'zypper ps' will find its use on the other people computers, as a debugging tool :)

So this discussion has been useful for one thing more... good. Best, Andrea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-09-20 22:16, Andrea Turrini wrote:

On 09/20/2012 07:55 PM, Rajko wrote:

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Even without warning experienced user will know from list of updated packages what is the next step.

So they do not need this reminder since: updated firefox -> restart firefox; updated kernel -> reboot; updated manufacturer_PPDs -> restart cups; updated gimp -> ignore (gimp not running) updated unknown library -> zypper ps.

Summing up: experienced users do not need the warning as they know what to do; non-experienced users usually use YaST and they do not have warnings since YaST does not show them.

No, I do not agree that experienced users will know. I'm experienced, and I don't know all the affected processes. Sometime a package is updated and running "zypper ps" I learn that I have to restart the entire computer. Or at least gnome. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlBbkJgACgkQja8UbcUWM1yXKQD9F+0CCoOBMJ6ssfKG+50EeLXO IpxuBfGj28vN2KSicgIA/RPDHbIN0XBDe8kdH2QFgWIJSafzahIJTGl6y/NnRC7V =BeYb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

2012/9/20 Per Jessen <per@computer.org>:

Andrea Turrini wrote:

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Hi all,

is it possible to tell zypper to do not perform the check for deleted files used by running processes after an update?

Hi Andrea,

Unless I am mistaken, you're asking about disabling a _message_? Not a prompt that requires interaction, but only a message? I think the best place to take this is probably http://features.opensuse.org/

Not only the message, the whole check. As I wrote in another mail, I have already implemented such option, even if I am sure it has to be improved since I know about coding but I am not a programmer (and this is the first time I look inside zypper code). Best, Andrea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org