Re: [opensuse] 11.2 and firefox
Anton, One last thing and I will go away. When I did the install of 11.2 there were 2 users (dave and lisa) on the /home partition from 11.1. I created the user dave during the install of 11.2. After the install was complete I created the user account lisa. While creating the account lisa SuSE noticed there was a /home/lisa directory and asked if I wanted to use this directory for the new lisa account. I said yes and it said it was importing this directory for use. Not quite sure what it did but it took a few seconds to do it. I was not asked this during the original install process when I created the user dave even though a directory /home/dave existed. There are some differences between the accounts that I have noticed. Even though all of my non KDE configurations and data were still there my background was set to the default wallpaper, my wife's was unchanged from 11.1. The icons on my taskbar were set to default, my wife's were unchanged from 11.1. The std.vcf file for kontact had been set to 0 bytes, my wife's was still intact from 11.1. When I upgraded from kde 4.3.1 to 4.3.3 my std.vcf file was again set to 0 byte whereas my wife's was not. My Kmail and Korganizer data remained intact from 11.1. So what did the installer do to the lisa account that did not happen to the dave account? Is this causing my problems with firefox? Is there anyway I can do the dave account what happened to the lisa account? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----
From: Anton Aylward <anton.aylward@rogers.com> To: Dave <diacobel@yahoo.com> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 10:35:00 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.2 and firefox
Dave said the following on 12/11/2009 01:32 PM:
I have no idea why I could not download before. As a side note, when looking at the task manager firefox was always listed as a 'dave' process both before I modified the link and after.
Ah. One of those. A "Rumsfield"[1]
Its happening because of something you're not telling us. You're not telling us because you don't see it. You don't see it cos you don't know to look for it.
If you knew what to look for it wouldn't be a puzzle.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_unknown#Usage -- As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know.
-- Donald Rumsfeld, February 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave said the following on 12/12/2009 08:35 AM:
So what did the installer do to the lisa account that did not happen to the dave account? Is this causing my problems with firefox? Is there anyway I can do the dave account what happened to the lisa account?
Weird. But I think it was the other way round. As you said - "my wife's was unchanged from 11.1" - so I think it was *your* ('dave') account that was altered (why else have the displaced icon with new ownership?) and I think that was a result of you 'creating' the user 'dave' during the installation. It sounds like you either reformated / or did something that caused the /etc/passwd file to be ignored. That's why you had to create the accounts. I went through a similar thing when I moved from Mandriva to openSuse; I have /home as a separate file system (one of many) but reformatted / and /usr/share. I'm guessing that there's something subtly different between the "account creation" in the install and the normal 'useradd'. The "normal" method sees the home already exists and leaves it alone - you say "my wife's was unchanged from 11.1." I don't think the 'delay' was 'importing' so much as checking and constructing the references in /etc/{passwd,shadow,group}. But 'creating' the 'dave' account must have written various stuff from the 'template'. I've just looked at /usr/sbin/useradd.local, /etc/default/useradd, and that led me to /etc/skel. However I don't see anything there would be a new Firefox icon. But then this is still 11.1 YMMV. I may be quite wrong in this speculation, but it fits in with my own experience (which is always a good sign of prejudice!) and sounds reasonable. But I know from time on a support desk that even with technically sophisticated people can miss out on reporting things that are crucial because its outside their experience - or why else would they be calling the support desk? Hence the Rumsfield quote in my earlier message. Is this problem 'repeatable'? That's always something the support desks want to know. Probably, given various conditions. One of them a particular mind-set (aka state of knowledge-ignorance-experience) and other physical conditions that held when you did this, which of course people with a different mind-set (q.v.) wouldn't have and so it wouldn't happen to them. Hence, in forums like this, upset arising and the more experienced types seeming arrogant and short-tempered. Somehow I don't think you're going to encounter _exactly_ this problem again, though I would be curious what a brand new account (call it 'anton' perhaps) looks like. Would there be a root owned Firefox icon on the desktop? -- Now let us retract the foreskin of misconception and apply the wire brush of enlightenment. --Geoff Miller, in comp.lang.perl.moderated -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (2)
-
Anton Aylward -
Dave