[opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?
Hi, I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one. Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while? thanks Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/ <----Distro specific. Hunt around there for the distro you need. I have Seamonkey 1.1 from there. Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you are using. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:46, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
AH CRAP! While you are setting the specific distro, you might as well fix the spelling errors too. SISE Linix, the Distro for wusses! -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen wrote:
http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/ <----Distro specific. Hunt around there for the distro you need. I have Seamonkey 1.1 from there. Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you are using.
http://repos.opensuse.org/ is not usable for apt, or is it? One has to use ZEN or smart, AFAIK. I would love to be corrected. And while I'm at it, as the parent asked; the *.0.99 packages from there: to what upstream packages do they fit? I couldn't find any information, and the contents files don't mention the upstream version. Best, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:46, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/ <----Distro specific. Hunt around there for the distro you need. I have Seamonkey 1.1 from there. Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you are using.
Thank you, John. However, thats where I find the 1.0.99 only. But I just see another message from Marcus Meissner, that 1.0.6 will be available soon... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/ <----Distro specific. Hunt around there for the distro you need. I have Seamonkey 1.1 from there. Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you are using.
Why not just let Yast install it? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow.
Ciao, Marcus
thanks for the info. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow.
Ciao, Marcus
Just a shy question: have they gone out? I can't find them... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 12:13:06PM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hi,
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow.
Ciao, Marcus
Just a shy question: have they gone out? I can't find them...
Yes, two days ago. Although we only have seamonkey on 10.1 ... So not for 10.0. (Sorry, misread your email). http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security-announce/2006-Nov/0005.html Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 November 2006 12:15, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 12:13:06PM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow.
Ciao, Marcus
Just a shy question: have they gone out? I can't find them...
Yes, two days ago. Although we only have seamonkey on 10.1 ... So not for 10.0. (Sorry, misread your email).
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security-announce/2006-Nov/0005.html
Will there be 10.0 rpms also soon, or will 10.1 rpms also run on 10.0 or rather not? Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 01:37:40PM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Friday 17 November 2006 12:15, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 12:13:06PM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow.
Ciao, Marcus
Just a shy question: have they gone out? I can't find them...
Yes, two days ago. Although we only have seamonkey on 10.1 ... So not for 10.0. (Sorry, misread your email).
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security-announce/2006-Nov/0005.html
Will there be 10.0 rpms also soon, or will 10.1 rpms also run on 10.0 or rather not?
10.0 still had the "mozilla" suite. We are currently working on replacing the mozilla suite by seamonkey packages for older products, but some of the backports of applications using mozilla (namely epiphany) will take some more time. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 17 November 2006 13:40, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 01:37:40PM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Friday 17 November 2006 12:15, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 12:13:06PM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today or tomorrow.
Ciao, Marcus
Just a shy question: have they gone out? I can't find them...
Yes, two days ago. Although we only have seamonkey on 10.1 ... So not for 10.0. (Sorry, misread your email).
http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security-announce/2006-Nov/0005.html
Will there be 10.0 rpms also soon, or will 10.1 rpms also run on 10.0 or rather not?
10.0 still had the "mozilla" suite.
We are currently working on replacing the mozilla suite by seamonkey packages for older products, but some of the backports of applications using mozilla (namely epiphany) will take some more time.
Ciao, Marcus
Thanks, Marcus I use seamonkey since "long time". I had the 1.0.5 rpm's for 10.0 from here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/seamonkey/1.0.5/10.0-i386 All versions have been there very soon after the SM release, just not 1.0.6, that's why I wondered about it... regards Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-17 14:02:36 +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I use seamonkey since "long time". I had the 1.0.5 rpm's for 10.0 from here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/seamonkey/1.0.5/10.0-i386
All versions have been there very soon after the SM release, just not 1.0.6, that's why I wondered about it...
http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/ hope this helps darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-17 08:21, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-11-17 14:02:36 +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I use seamonkey since "long time". I had the 1.0.5 rpm's for 10.0 from here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/seamonkey/1.0.5/10.0-i386
All versions have been there very soon after the SM release, just not 1.0.6, that's why I wondered about it...
http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/
hope this helps
Oops, someone's lost the calendar, so the options become a) do not upgrade from the installed seamonkey, or b) lose the calendar :-) -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Oops, someone's lost the calendar, so the options become a) do not upgrade from the installed seamonkey, or b) lose the calendar :-)
The calendar extension is not longer maintained for seamonkey. For the future it's planned to make lightning available for seamonkey AFAIK. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-19 04:04, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Oops, someone's lost the calendar, so the options become a) do not upgrade from the installed seamonkey, or b) lose the calendar :-)
The calendar extension is not longer maintained for seamonkey. For the future it's planned to make lightning available for seamonkey AFAIK.
OK, thanks for the info. I don't know what the problem would be in just leaving it alone until some "future" replacement becomes available (otherwise, it is sort of like the US Navy beaching the Abraham Lincoln just because they will have a replacement in 20 years). Speaking of 20 years, at the present rate, that is about how long it will take for us to see a "reply to list" button in Seamonkey/TBird, *if* we see such a thing at all. I do hope the replacement calendar will not be so long in the making. Just colour me frustrated... -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
[...] Speaking of 20 years, at the present rate, that is about how long it will take for us to see a "reply to list" button in Seamonkey/TBird, *if* we see such a thing at all.
Sorry to let you down, but I am using TBird and yes, I already have a "reply-to-list" functionality... So don't spread false information. Cheers, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-19 17:32, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
[...] Speaking of 20 years, at the present rate, that is about how long it will take for us to see a "reply to list" button in Seamonkey/TBird, *if* we see such a thing at all.
Sorry to let you down, but I am using TBird and yes, I already have a "reply-to-list" functionality... So don't spread false information.
I cannot recall just which Mozilla bug report is applicable here, but this is something which Felix Miata has stated should be part of the basic functions of the application, not simply something which is added on as an afterthought (eg. as an extension or add-on). I happen to agree fully with his view. You may have a reply-to-list capability using an extension (none of which work with Mozilla or Seamonkey, by the way), but it is something which should be intrinsic to any decent modern user agent. So I am not spreading false information, I am simply telling things as they are. Without diminishing in any way the contributions of the author(s) of your extension, it quite simply is not enough. -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/11/20 00:22 (GMT-0600) Darryl Gregorash apparently typed:
On 2006-11-19 17:32, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Speaking of 20 years, at the present rate, that is about how long it will take for us to see a "reply to list" button in Seamonkey/TBird, *if* we see such a thing at all.
Sorry to let you down, but I am using TBird and yes, I already have a "reply-to-list" functionality... So don't spread false information.
I cannot recall just which Mozilla bug report is applicable here, but
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 filed more than 6 years ago. -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
[...] I cannot recall just which Mozilla bug report is applicable here, but this is something which Felix Miata has stated should be part of the basic functions of the application, not simply something which is added on as an afterthought (eg. as an extension or add-on). I happen to agree fully with his view.
Others don't, so stop spreading false information. There *is* a list-reply functionality which comes as an extension. If you don't want to use it, it's your problem. But saying it's not available is just plain wrong. CU, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/11/20 19:33 (GMT) Thomas Hertweck apparently typed:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
I cannot recall just which Mozilla bug report is applicable here, but this is something which Felix Miata has stated should be part of the basic functions of the application, not simply something which is added on as an afterthought (eg. as an extension or add-on). I happen to agree fully with his view.
Others don't, so stop spreading false information. There *is* a list-reply functionality which comes as an extension. If you don't want to use it, it's your problem. But saying it's not available is just plain wrong.
It is not available to mere mortal suite users who are unwilling or unable to hack their profiles to gain a function present in all non-Mozilla-based modern email clients. No one has stepped up to port the installer to Mozilla Suite or SeaMonkey, and they shouldn't have to in order for suite users to gain this parity function requested in bugzilla 6 years ago. -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-11-20 at 19:33 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Others don't, so stop spreading false information. There *is* a list-reply functionality which comes as an extension. If you don't want to use it, it's your problem. But saying it's not available is just plain wrong.
If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO. It is the first time I hear of such a capability in Mozilla or Thunderbird, and the question has appeared here many times over the years. It could have then be included by SuSE and later Novell knowing that it is necessary in order to use their lists properly. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFYlB9tTMYHG2NR9URAhXvAJ0ZllBAT/yxLUdU4jeZVe4jrNpmgwCeN1li 2xENfN8hDcTQW+XAvDrKL+o= =JJDH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2006-11-20 at 19:33 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Others don't, so stop spreading false information. There *is* a list-reply functionality which comes as an extension. If you don't want to use it, it's your problem. But saying it's not available is just plain wrong.
If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO.
It is the first time I hear of such a capability in Mozilla or Thunderbird, and the question has appeared here many times over the years. It could have then be included by SuSE and later Novell knowing that it is necessary in order to use their lists properly.
The SUSE Thunderbird version contains that feature since version 1.5.0.7! http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-08/msg00245.html Please note that this feature is not ported to the Thunderbird 2pre versions in the buildservice yet nor are they included in non-SUSE versions of Thunderbird. It's also not included in SeaMonkey yet. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
After much discussion of the lack of a feature to reply-to-list in mozilla apps ... Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
The SUSE Thunderbird version contains that feature since version 1.5.0.7! http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-08/msg00245.html
Please note that this feature is not ported to the Thunderbird 2pre versions in the buildservice yet nor are they included in non-SUSE versions of Thunderbird. It's also not included in SeaMonkey yet.
Wow! I've changed the subject because this is *very* useful to Thunderbird users like me who might not read a thread about seamonkey! I've just set this feature and it works! Thanks Wolfgang :) I'm using Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 on SUSE 9.3. For the benefit of anybody else who wants to set this feature: 1/ Select Edit/Preferences on the menu 2/ Go to the Advanced tab, General sub-tab 3/ Click on the Config Editor... button 4/ Type 'mailnews' in the Filter box 5/ Look down a few lines for mailnews.clobber_list_reply 6/ Double-click on that line - it should now say 'true' in bold 7/ Close the config editor window 8/ Close the preference editor window Now when you want to reply to a SUSE list mail, just click on the Reply All button :) No more need to delete the original sender. Thanks again Wolfgang! Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-11-21 at 11:14 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
Now when you want to reply to a SUSE list mail, just click on the Reply All button :) No more need to delete the original sender.
Well... it works, but it is not a replytolist key, and it is, of course, very difficult to know that it is there, it is hidden. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFYuRUtTMYHG2NR9URAkhXAJ9gdSTiqxiTfUyjoQk/msE/PT0nKwCfY4F8 WvKTcZedEYZnZmo2Q7kR+Sc= =XxaB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-11-21 at 11:14 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
Now when you want to reply to a SUSE list mail, just click on the Reply All button :) No more need to delete the original sender.
Well... it works, but it is not a replytolist key, and it is, of course, very difficult to know that it is there, it is hidden.
You might know that SUSE is _not_ the Mozilla Corporation and therefore is not allowed to change what they want. Adding UI stuff is not possible easily since it needs changes at too many places including translations. That solution is all you can _expect_ from SUSE. Please direct your future complaints to the Mozilla Corporation. It really doesn't make sense to do it here. Or simply install the extension from http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension or use the other workaround explained in the old mailinglist post. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-11-21 at 12:59 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well... it works, but it is not a replytolist key, and it is, of course, very difficult to know that it is there, it is hidden.
You might know that SUSE is _not_ the Mozilla Corporation and therefore is not allowed to change what they want. Adding UI stuff is not possible easily since it needs changes at too many places including translations.
That solution is all you can _expect_ from SUSE. Please direct your future complaints to the Mozilla Corporation.
Please, I'm not complaining to you, don't take it so personally. I'm merely expressing my opinion. Even though I don't like it personally, I understand that it is useful, and I have already posted the necessary info to enable the "feature" in the Spanish email list. That's all I can do. Perhaps those instructions could be added to the list FAQ, or posted somewhere permanently. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFYvMXtTMYHG2NR9URAmk2AJ9cmDTJKdDMfeKAU8thALPFZTtFxgCfSuud w9TbCRJRP5AknoGY5hWJoHM= =Rvy+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-11-21 at 11:14 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
Now when you want to reply to a SUSE list mail, just click on the Reply All button :) No more need to delete the original sender.
You should not click on the Reply-All button but on the Reply-To-List button which...
Well... it works, but it is not a replytolist key, and it is, of course, very difficult to know that it is there, it is hidden.
...can be added to the toolbar if you right-click on the toolbar and choose "customize". All of this is explained (including screen shots) on the web site corresponding to the Reply-To-List extension: http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension RTFM! Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-11-21 at 22:15 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
You should not click on the Reply-All button but on the Reply-To-List button which...
Well... it works, but it is not a replytolist key, and it is, of course, very difficult to know that it is there, it is hidden.
...can be added to the toolbar if you right-click on the toolbar and choose "customize".
No. Nothing there.
All of this is explained (including screen shots) on the web site corresponding to the Reply-To-List extension: http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension
Is that included in the official suse thunderbird as updated by Yast? The one that activates by setting mailnews.clobber_list_reply to true? The one that Wolfgang Rosenauer and Dave Howorth are talking about?
RTFM!
I didn't see any documentation about this in /usr/share/doc/packages/MozillaThunderbird/ There is no DOC at all. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFY5/ttTMYHG2NR9URAoFrAJ9zNc82rm6SuDW0ksD+dQnLQ8QgkgCfQEhH /OsAwGOlDzlwFPnog7FWUsM= =SH7K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
[ http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension ]
Is that included in the official suse thunderbird as updated by Yast?
AFAIK, the SuSE packages contain only the necessary patch that allows you to use above-mentioned extension. Please note that you also need either the Mnenhy or Enigmail extension installed. See web site for further details. Cheers, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Thomas Hertweck a écrit :
AFAIK, the SuSE packages contain only the necessary patch
but this give lots of problems when one try to use more recent version (not suse), with frequent changes jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Thomas Hertweck a écrit :
AFAIK, the SuSE packages contain only the necessary patch
but this give lots of problems when one try to use more recent version (not suse), with frequent changes
I don't understand your comment. If any extension does not match your version of Tbird or Firefox, the program tries to find an update. If no update is available, the extension will be disabled. It the patch is missing here, then the extension won't work. So if you want to play with later versions of Firefox or TBird or whatever, it's all up to you! If you upgrade the kernel using the latest vanilla from kernel.org, you are responsible to compile for instance an NVIDIA module for the new kernel (if you want to use the NVIDIA driver) - if you don't want to do that (compile the NVIDIA kernel module), do not upgrade the kernel and use the standard SuSE kernel (which is supported and you get bugfixes for it) or don't use the extension (i.e. the NVIDIA driver). It's the same situation concerning the TBird extension, so why should it suddenly be handled in a different way? Use standard packages and it will work. Use other packages, and you're responsible for it. End of story. I really get the impression that many people here just try to run this extension down. I can't understand it. I agree that it would be better to have the reply2list extension integrated in the core TBird program. Nevertheless it's a useful extension at the moment. If you don't like it, don't use it. But don't tell other people a reply2list functionality for Tbird does not exist - this is wrong. CU, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 18:56 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Is that included in the official suse thunderbird as updated by Yast?
AFAIK, the SuSE packages contain only the necessary patch that allows you to use above-mentioned extension. Please note that you also need either the Mnenhy or Enigmail extension installed. See web site for further details.
I think you are talking of a diferent thing. I talk of the standard suse thunderbird, with the suse suplied enigmail, both updated by YOU, and not of an user added extension. And from the little I have read, that extension you propose needs version 3 and/or a full recompile. No thanks. The one supplied by suse does not have a reply to button, but replaces the function of the reply to all button. This is what I understand from the package mantainer, or he would have said when I asked that I could enable that button. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFZKu6tTMYHG2NR9URAqvxAJ4pbTm16Y6uh3EvvC11UKqJcFFIHwCfbZ+J CxtTympfmll1VLy2sQoQwn8= =T8h8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 18:56 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Is that included in the official suse thunderbird as updated by Yast? AFAIK, the SuSE packages contain only the necessary patch that allows you to use above-mentioned extension. Please note that you also need either the Mnenhy or Enigmail extension installed. See web site for further details.
I think you are talking of a diferent thing. I talk of the standard suse thunderbird, with the suse suplied enigmail, both updated by YOU, and not of an user added extension.
And from the little I have read, that extension you propose needs version 3 and/or a full recompile. No thanks.
The one supplied by suse does not have a reply to button, but replaces the function of the reply to all button. This is what I understand from the package mantainer, or he would have said when I asked that I could enable that button.
No, I am not talking about a different thing. The SuSE Tbird packages contain the required patch (changelog[1]: added backend patch to allow replies to list with ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension), so you DON'T need version 3 of TBird. You can use the Reply-All button (which I think is a bad idea) or install the extension (as now already mentioned several times) and you get a Reply-To-List button and a Delete-Thread button. The latter is indeed veeery useful on this list! And please don't come back and say it does not work or exist because I have been using this feature for quite a long time: it works very well! EOT please. CU, Th. [1] rpm -qp --changelog MozillaThunderbird-1.5.0.8-0.2.i586.rpm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 20:23 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
No, I am not talking about a different thing. The SuSE Tbird packages contain the required patch (changelog[1]: added backend patch to allow replies to list with ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension), so you DON'T need version 3 of TBird. You can use the Reply-All button (which I think is a bad idea) or install the extension (as now already mentioned several
So, I need to install another extension. I'm talking only of what is already included in the SuSE distributed package! As far as I'm concerned, the reply-to-list button feature does not exist. EOT. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFZLmctTMYHG2NR9URAlPDAJ9B5VIdsA/rCQcPqDr2FNbQADN3hwCeNcqz 3QmVWZCcTNfMLAbuQfj3YN0= =R4sJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 20:23 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
No, I am not talking about a different thing. The SuSE Tbird packages contain the required patch (changelog[1]: added backend patch to allow replies to list with ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension), so you DON'T need version 3 of TBird. You can use the Reply-All button (which I think is a bad idea) or install the extension (as now already mentioned several
So, I need to install another extension. I'm talking only of what is already included in the SuSE distributed package!
As far as I'm concerned, the reply-to-list button feature does not exist.
Ok, just to summarize and clarify once for all. Thunderbird does not have a reply-to-list built-in. But there is an extension out there [1]. That extension also requires a patch to be applied to the Thunderbird sources. [1]http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension The patch has been added by Wolfgang in the Thunderbird RPMs for SUSE. All you need to do is to install the XPI extension: http://open.nit.ca/wiki/attachments/replytolist-0.2.0.xpi Then you can use reply-to-list by hitting the control+i key combo. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFZL3Cr3NMWliFcXcRAmZgAJ9csDz9xyaBQQUEgO4ZSvKgrY/PqACeJSNg W5Lvrz09LYUgfkQLO9zF7KY= =13qV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 22:14 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Ok, just to summarize and clarify once for all.
Thunderbird does not have a reply-to-list built-in. But there is an extension out there [1]. That extension also requires a patch to be applied to the Thunderbird sources.
[1]http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension
The patch has been added by Wolfgang in the Thunderbird RPMs for SUSE. All you need to do is to install the XPI extension: http://open.nit.ca/wiki/attachments/replytolist-0.2.0.xpi
Then you can use reply-to-list by hitting the control+i key combo.
Ah! Well, that's a good explanation that I can understand. Thank you. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFZNQwtTMYHG2NR9URAvi5AJ9T52QCh120Un73VdYeevE2fHDXXwCeJblh dKtKZMC2C7HMPSfeGHoM/BI= =0KK8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 22:14 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Ok, just to summarize and clarify once for all.
Thunderbird does not have a reply-to-list built-in. But there is an extension out there [1]. That extension also requires a patch to be applied to the Thunderbird sources.
[1]http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension
The patch has been added by Wolfgang in the Thunderbird RPMs for SUSE. All you need to do is to install the XPI extension: http://open.nit.ca/wiki/attachments/replytolist-0.2.0.xpi
Then you can use reply-to-list by hitting the control+i key combo.
Ah! Well, that's a good explanation that I can understand. Thank you.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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I tried it and no go it's grayed out -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger@adelphia.net registered Linux user 289023 411024 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-22 18:51, Hans Krueger wrote: <snip>
I tried it and no go it's grayed out
Did you install either enigmail or mnenhy first? -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 20:03 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Did you install either enigmail or mnenhy first?
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Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-22 18:51, Hans Krueger wrote: <snip>
I tried it and no go it's grayed out
Did you install either enigmail or mnenhy first?
/ installed mnenhy now it not grayed out but still dosn't work when used / -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger@adelphia.net registered Linux user 289023 411024 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-22 22:21, Hans Krueger wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-22 18:51, Hans Krueger wrote: <snip>
I tried it and no go it's grayed out
Did you install either enigmail or mnenhy first?
/ installed mnenhy now it not grayed out but still dosn't work when used
/
Oh well.. it was a thought. Perhaps Thomas Hertweck will step into the fray and explain how it's supposed to be done. He seems to be insisting that it should work perfectly, out of the box. Can't help you anymore myself, coz it doesn't work at all on my MUA. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
[...]
Perhaps Thomas Hertweck will step into the fray and explain how it's supposed to be done.
No he won't because a) it has already been explained numerous times (it's really boring repeating that stuff again and again and ...), b) there is a website with instructions how to install and use the extension, so RTFM, and c) he's not interested in any further discussion with people whose only intention it is to provoke others.
He seems to be insisting that it should work perfectly, out of the box.
Indeed, it does. And not only for me as you might have noticed when reading other emails here. But you seem to deliberately ignore such information. PS: $> rpm -q MozillaThunderbird MozillaThunderbird-1.5.0.8-0.2 (extensions installed: mnenhy 0.7.4, enigmail 0.94.1.1, messageID-finder 2.0.0, mail redirect 0.7.4, display MUA 1.3, header scroll 0.3.1, view headers toggle button 1.5.2, reply-to-list 0.1.3) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Krueger wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-22 18:51, Hans Krueger wrote: <snip>
I tried it and no go it's grayed out
Did you install either enigmail or mnenhy first?
/ installed mnenhy now it not grayed out but still dosn't work when used
What version of TB? With 1.5.0.7 it worked straight out of the box for me as advertised. I installed the Enigmail extension btw. Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jos van Kan wrote:
Hans Krueger wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-22 18:51, Hans Krueger wrote: <snip>
I tried it and no go it's grayed out
Did you install either enigmail or mnenhy first?
/ installed mnenhy now it not grayed out but still dosn't work when used
What version of TB? With 1.5.0.7 it worked straight out of the box for me as advertised. I installed the Enigmail extension btw.
Regards,
1.5.0.8 -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger@adelphia.net registered Linux user 289023 411024 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I think this might be a good feature to learn about for Evolution, KMail, and other clients. On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 11:14 +0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
After much discussion of the lack of a feature to reply-to-list in mozilla apps ...
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
The SUSE Thunderbird version contains that feature since version 1.5.0.7! http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-08/msg00245.html
Please note that this feature is not ported to the Thunderbird 2pre versions in the buildservice yet nor are they included in non-SUSE versions of Thunderbird. It's also not included in SeaMonkey yet.
Wow!
I've changed the subject because this is *very* useful to Thunderbird users like me who might not read a thread about seamonkey!
I've just set this feature and it works! Thanks Wolfgang :)
I'm using Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 on SUSE 9.3. For the benefit of anybody else who wants to set this feature:
1/ Select Edit/Preferences on the menu 2/ Go to the Advanced tab, General sub-tab 3/ Click on the Config Editor... button 4/ Type 'mailnews' in the Filter box 5/ Look down a few lines for mailnews.clobber_list_reply 6/ Double-click on that line - it should now say 'true' in bold 7/ Close the config editor window 8/ Close the preference editor window
Now when you want to reply to a SUSE list mail, just click on the Reply All button :) No more need to delete the original sender.
Thanks again Wolfgang!
Dave
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On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 05:12 -0700, John Meyer wrote:
I think this might be a good feature to learn about for Evolution, KMail, and other clients.
I can't speak for "other clients", but in Evolution and KMail Ctrl+L provides the "reply to list" function. Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Nice, anyway to get a button on the top row to do that? On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 23:28 +1100, Dave Barton wrote:
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 05:12 -0700, John Meyer wrote:
I think this might be a good feature to learn about for Evolution, KMail, and other clients.
I can't speak for "other clients", but in Evolution and KMail Ctrl+L provides the "reply to list" function.
Dave
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On Tuesday 21 November 2006 06:36, John Meyer wrote: <top-posting fixed>
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 23:28 +1100, Dave Barton wrote:
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 05:12 -0700, John Meyer wrote:
I think this might be a good feature to learn about for Evolution, KMail, and other clients.
I can't speak for "other clients", but in Evolution and KMail Ctrl+L provides the "reply to list" function.
Dave
Nice, anyway to get a button on the top row to do that?
Kmail *has* a reply-to-list button. Right-click on the toolbar and select Configure toolbars. It's simple. -- Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented worker', is like calling a home intruder an 'unwanted houseguest'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 11:13 -0600, JB wrote:
On Tuesday 21 November 2006 06:36, John Meyer wrote:
<top-posting fixed>
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 23:28 +1100, Dave Barton wrote:
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 05:12 -0700, John Meyer wrote:
I think this might be a good feature to learn about for Evolution, KMail, and other clients.
I can't speak for "other clients", but in Evolution and KMail Ctrl+L provides the "reply to list" function.
Dave
Nice, anyway to get a button on the top row to do that?
Kmail *has* a reply-to-list button. Right-click on the toolbar and select Configure toolbars. It's simple.
It's to bad Evolution doesn't offer one, they even removed the option to reply-to-list when right clicking in an email. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Monday 2006-11-20 at 19:33 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Others don't, so stop spreading false information. There *is* a list-reply functionality which comes as an extension. If you don't want to use it, it's your problem. But saying it's not available is just plain wrong.
If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO.
Carlos, you may not be aware that Seamonkey. Thunderbird and Firefox are deliberately designed to make use of 3rd-party extensions and themes which allows for flexibility to the user. At first I thought that this was a PITA not to have some features built-in but then realised that rather than get burdened with options I don't need, and will never use, I can choose and pick to suit my needs. Having 3rd-party extensions and themes also gets the punters involved. [pruned] Cheers. -- If you really want to know, you won't ask me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-21 09:04, Basil Chupin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
<snip> If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO.
Carlos, you may not be aware that Seamonkey. Thunderbird and Firefox are deliberately designed to make use of 3rd-party extensions.... Reply-to-list is a capability that is considered an essential feature of every modern MUA author except mozilla.org, where it is relegated to the status of "just another cool thing that some people might think is a really neat thing to have, maybe, but most won't need it and therefore we don't need to consider it at all, except as an afterthought."
Ergo, doesn't exist, and all the extensions in the world will not change that, particularly when the one that does exist a) was written for a product that did not even exist when the bug was first created (6 years ago), and b) implements the feature in a totally ridiculous way (oops, no more reply-to-all button, even though that is still what it is called). But Wolfgang is correct, this is not something that can be changed by anyone at SuSE. Nor is it likely ever to be changed by anyone at mozilla. - 30 - -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-21 09:04, Basil Chupin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
<snip> If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO. Carlos, you may not be aware that Seamonkey. Thunderbird and Firefox are deliberately designed to make use of 3rd-party extensions....
Reply-to-list is a capability that is considered an essential feature of every modern MUA author except mozilla.org, where it is relegated to the
You just made the point I was trying to make in my reply to Carlos: "...a capability that is *considered* an essential...". What is "considered" by you to be "essential" is not something what someone else would consider as "essential". For example, I do not consider that this reply-to-list ability is "essential" - I couldn't care less if it was there or not. Mozilla gives people the option to install an extension to handle this task or not install it. [pruned] Cheers. -- If you really want to know, you won't ask me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Reply-to-list is a capability that is considered an essential feature of every modern MUA author except mozilla.org
Did you already vote for it? If not, it must not be so essential. Everyone who thinks it is should go do it now if they didn't already. It's at 96 now. How about another 20+ votes in the next 24 hours? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-22 02:52, Felix Miata wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Reply-to-list is a capability that is considered an essential feature of every modern MUA author except mozilla.org
Did you already vote for it? If not, it must not be so essential.
Did you check "show votes for this bug" before asking this question? ;-) Oh, it's at 97 now -- I would try to put it over 100, but I don't think I will be allowed to vote again. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-11-22 at 03:52 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Reply-to-list is a capability that is considered an essential feature of every modern MUA author except mozilla.org
Did you already vote for it? If not, it must not be so essential. Everyone who thinks it is should go do it now if they didn't already. It's at 96 now. How about another 20+ votes in the next 24 hours? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715
I tried, but it requires a login, and I'm not going to create an account there if I don't intend to help finding bugs. It is at 97 now. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFZK+ctTMYHG2NR9URAi+BAJ0UfuG1v+uXcTw/KgvriBzNl1O9fACffKDP EVvBIs4tFNJOQmDsIGqT9NE= =m4H3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2006-11-20 at 19:33 -0000, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Others don't, so stop spreading false information. There *is* a list-reply functionality which comes as an extension. If you don't want to use it, it's your problem. But saying it's not available is just plain wrong.
If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO.
That's nonsense. Extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. are a vital part of the whole Mozilla project. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's as simple as that. Saying it doesn't exist, however, is wrong. Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-21 16:09, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
If the functionality is not included by default, it is as if it doesn't exist, IMO.
That's nonsense. Extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. are a vital part of the whole Mozilla project. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's as simple as that. Saying it doesn't exist, however, is wrong.
Something as important and useful as a reply-to-list button is as vital in the modern world of email as the ability to write an email itself. Every other MUA author recognizes this, and does not relegate the feature to an afterthought, particularly when the afterthought is written only for a product that did not even exist when the feature was first requested. Don't spread false information. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
[...] Something as important and useful as a reply-to-list button is as vital in the modern world of email as the ability to write an email itself. Every other MUA author recognizes this, and does not relegate the feature to an afterthought, particularly when the afterthought is written only for a product that did not even exist when the feature was first requested.
Don't spread false information.
It's not worth discussing that topic with you. My statements are based on facts which can easily be verified (URL for extension etc. has been mentioned several times). Your statements are solely based on your opinion. You should realize that others don't share your opinion but are interested in facts. So everybody can decide by himself who is spreading false information. Full stop. If you don't like the extension, don't use it. EOT. Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-21 16:45, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
<snip> It's not worth discussing that topic with you. <snip>
Ditto... in case you hadn't noticed, *I am using seamonkey, because I choose to run the gecko engine just once* to do all I want it for, not 3 times. So why don't you just run off and RTFM for me, to see if it will work with that, because AFAICT, it doesn't, and I am not about to install t'bird. Next you'll try telling us there is a perfectly good calendar too (Lightning) for anyone to use, because it exists for (and only for) t'bird. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
OK, thanks for the info. I don't know what the problem would be in just leaving it alone until some "future" replacement becomes available (otherwise, it is sort of like the US Navy beaching the Abraham Lincoln just because they will have a replacement in 20 years).
So why don't you ask the calendar people at mozilla.org about that? After introducing Sunbird and Lightning for Thunderbird they didn't have the manpower anymore to maintain the old-style extension in addition. And since Gecko changed, the old extension doesn't work anymore most probably. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-19 23:47, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
OK, thanks for the info. I don't know what the problem would be in just leaving it alone until some "future" replacement becomes available (otherwise, it is sort of like the US Navy beaching the Abraham Lincoln just because they will have a replacement in 20 years).
So why don't you ask the calendar people at mozilla.org about that? After introducing Sunbird and Lightning for Thunderbird they didn't have the manpower anymore to maintain the old-style extension in addition. And since Gecko changed, the old extension doesn't work anymore most probably.
What old extension? This is something that was integral to every Mozilla version I used, and which is integral to Seamonkey up to at least version 1.0.5. This isn't something that has to be added in; it *is* something which was taken out, apparently with no thought of the consequences to the end user. Someone communicated to me privately that the view apparently taken by the folks at Mozilla seems to be that everyone really does prefer to load Gecko 3 times to do everything, instead of only once. That is an opinion which, regrettably, I must share at this time. Useful functionality keeps disappearing from so many applications, all under the guise of "streamlining" the code, yet no important and useful *new* features appear. -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash a écrit :
What old extension? This is something that was integral to every Mozilla version I used, and which is integral to Seamonkey up to at least version 1.0.5. This isn't something that has to be added in; it *is* something which was taken out, apparently with no thought of the consequences to the end user.
can you elaborate ? I use mozilla/seamonkey for years now and have never seen such feature. of course answer to a list is a button or a key stroke making it possible to answer _only_ to the list, not to the list and to the author. thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-20 03:27, jdd wrote:
Darryl Gregorash a écrit :
What old extension? This is something that was integral to every Mozilla ....
can you elaborate ?
I use mozilla/seamonkey for years now and have never seen such feature. That particular passage refers to the calendar.
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jdd wrote:
Darryl Gregorash a écrit :
What old extension? This is something that was integral to every Mozilla version I used, and which is integral to Seamonkey up to at least version 1.0.5. This isn't something that has to be added in; it *is* something which was taken out, apparently with no thought of the consequences to the end user.
can you elaborate ?
I use mozilla/seamonkey for years now and have never seen such feature.
of course answer to a list is a button or a key stroke making it possible to answer _only_ to the list, not to the list and to the author.
The calendar is part of the SUSE install. It use to be available for all versions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
OK, thanks for the info. I don't know what the problem would be in just leaving it alone until some "future" replacement becomes available (otherwise, it is sort of like the US Navy beaching the Abraham Lincoln just because they will have a replacement in 20 years).
So why don't you ask the calendar people at mozilla.org about that? After introducing Sunbird and Lightning for Thunderbird they didn't have the manpower anymore to maintain the old-style extension in addition. And since Gecko changed, the old extension doesn't work anymore most probably.
Wolfgang
There is a calendar in the SUSE version of Seamonkey 1.0.6 Mozilla Calendar 2004110405-cal <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/1.0.6-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.0.6 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
So why don't you ask the calendar people at mozilla.org about that? After introducing Sunbird and Lightning for Thunderbird they didn't have the manpower anymore to maintain the old-style extension in addition. And since Gecko changed, the old extension doesn't work anymore most probably.
Wolfgang
There is a calendar in the SUSE version of Seamonkey 1.0.6
Mozilla Calendar 2004110405-cal <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/>
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.0.8) Gecko/20060911 SUSE/1.0.6-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.0.6
I know. But we are talking about version 1.1 where it won't be available anymore. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-17 08:21, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-11-17 14:02:36 +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I use seamonkey since "long time". I had the 1.0.5 rpm's for 10.0 from here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/mozilla/seamonkey/1.0.5/10.0-i386
All versions have been there very soon after the SM release, just not 1.0.6, that's why I wondered about it...
http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/
hope this helps
Oops, someone's lost the calendar, so the options become a) do not upgrade from the installed seamonkey, or b) lose the calendar :-)
I have upgraded 2 systems and still have the calendar. The curious thing, is that the calendar seems to be Linux, or at least, SUSE specific. The Windows version doesn't seem to have a calendar. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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