I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things. Am I missing something? Is there a way to make Yast actually SOLVE dependencies instead of proposing solutions such as "ignore and risk inconsistensies" or "get an older version of such and such"... Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler. Thanks in advance, Barry
Am 12.09.2005 20:29 schrieb Barry Hinrichs:
Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler.
Why dont you use apt then? I think it is much more comfortable than yast. OJ -- [Plenken, Konventionen, Ästhetik] Ja, Herr Polizist. Rote Ampeln beachte ich aus aesthetischen Gruenden nie, aber ansonsten bemuehe ich mich den Konventionen der StVO nachzukommen... (Rüdiger Lahl in d.c.s.m.b)
Barry Hinrichs schrieb:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
If you select the right source ("packman" for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ...
Am I missing something? Is there a way to make Yast actually SOLVE dependencies instead of proposing solutions such as "ignore and risk inconsistensies" or "get an older version of such and such"...
YaST seems to have some disadvantages in this regard compared to apt.
Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler.
That's right. and there is a GUI called "synaptic" for apt. I use apt as well as YaST/YOU and haven't had any problem with these two tools up to now. AFAIK they are using the same RPM database to retrieve there information. In a german magazin (c't) there had been an excellent article about apt. Apt is solving all that stuff in a somehow more consistent way. What I experienced so far that statement seems to be true. Best regards, Reinhard.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:23:17PM +0200, Reinhard Gimbel wrote:
Barry Hinrichs schrieb:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
If you select the right source ("packman" for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ...
If you use Packman, you can also use Yast. I do and it works great with me. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Hi, On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:23:17PM +0200, Reinhard Gimbel wrote:
Barry Hinrichs schrieb:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
If you select the right source ("packman" for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ...
If you use Packman, you can also use Yast. I do and it works great with me.
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the "Opteron Packman", and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-)) Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:49:28PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the "Opteron Packman", and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-))
Would Yum compatible be a good option for those suser-* who do not have the time to do full yast? http://www.opensuse.org/Installation_Sources#Example_2 That way it can be added in Yast from 10.0 on (I asume) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Hi, On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:49:28PM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the "Opteron Packman", and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-))
Would Yum compatible be a good option for those suser-* who do not have the time to do full yast? http://www.opensuse.org/Installation_Sources#Example_2
That way it can be added in Yast from 10.0 on (I asume)
Good idea, but I expect the maintainers of the repositories to do it "at home". It is not OK to shift I/O and CPU load into ftp.gwdg.de if it can get done at a previous stage. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the "Opteron Packman", and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-))
Eberhard, it shouldn't be a big deal to run "createrepo /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/" on ftp.gwdg.de. That would make this repo "YaST compatible" (at least for 10.0). Regards Christoph
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the "Opteron Packman", and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-)) Eberhard, it shouldn't be a big deal to run "createrepo /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/" on ftp.gwdg.de. That would make this repo "YaST compatible" (at least for 10.0).
I think that could be a big deal because Eberhard is hosting a few thousands of RPMs on gwdg.de, and
creating the APT metadata almost already pushes the limits, from what I know.
What Eberhard is referring to is that we, as package builders that are hosted on gwdg.de, should run
createrepo on our own boxes so that when gwdg.de syncs to fetch our RPMs, it just needs to download
the already generated metadata instead of having to compute it on its own.
Trading bandwidth for CPU cycles and I/O.
I'll try to have a look at that createrepo and add yum support to my packages.
We'll see how it works and whether it's a better option for Eberhart.
Also, most of us 3rd party packagers are not only offering packages for 10.0
You know I have it all the way up from 9.0 to 10.0, and I have a few scripts that generate the YaST2
repository metadata on my build box.
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Eberhard, it shouldn't be a big deal to run "createrepo /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/" on ftp.gwdg.de. That would make this repo "YaST compatible" (at least for 10.0).
I think that could be a big deal because Eberhard is hosting a few thousands of RPMs on gwdg.de, and creating the APT metadata almost already pushes the limits, from what I know.
Using the cache mechanism of createrepo + integrating it with atp4rpm (there is a huge overlap) wouldn't increase the load on ftp4.gwdg.de that much ;)
What Eberhard is referring to is that we, as package builders that are hosted on gwdg.de, should run createrepo on our own boxes so that when gwdg.de syncs to fetch our RPMs, it just needs to download the already generated metadata instead of having to compute it on its own. Trading bandwidth for CPU cycles and I/O.
I'll try to have a look at that createrepo and add yum support to my packages. We'll see how it works and whether it's a better option for Eberhart.
Yes, that's definitely the better option...
Also, most of us 3rd party packagers are not only offering packages for 10.0 You know I have it all the way up from 9.0 to 10.0, and I have a few scripts that generate the YaST2 repository metadata on my build box.
Yum will be available for 9.1-9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...) Regards Christoph
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Yum will be available for 9.1-9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...)
Great. But YaST2 on 9.1-9.3 won't support YUM repositories ;)
cheers
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Yum will be available for 9.1-9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...)
Great. But YaST2 on 9.1-9.3 won't support YUM repositories ;)
Well spotted ;) Regards Christoph
Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 10:26 schrieb Christoph Thiel:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Yum will be available for 9.1-9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...)
Great. But YaST2 on 9.1-9.3 won't support YUM repositories ;)
Well spotted ;)
but i have to create repo on an 9.2/9.3... ;) Detlef
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Christoph Thiel wrote:
Yum will be available for 9.1-9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...)
Alright, the packages are being synced out right now. They should be on the mirrors within the next 24 hours. Just check out: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/cthiel/ or one of the mirrors that has the people dirs. Regards Christoph
Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 20:17 schrieb Christoph Thiel:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Christoph Thiel wrote:
Yum will be available for 9.1-9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...)
Alright, the packages are being synced out right now. They should be on the mirrors within the next 24 hours. Just check out:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/cthiel/
or one of the mirrors that has the people dirs.
thx Detlef
Hey just for kicks why don't we compile a yum package for SLES9 :) -Cameron
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 2:21 pm, in message <200509132221.19451.detlef@die-mafia.de>, detlef@die-mafia.de wrote: Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 20:17 schrieb Christoph Thiel: On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Christoph Thiel wrote: Yum will be available for 9.1- 9.3 very soon in my people dir (I'm building those packages as I write this...)
Alright, the packages are being synced out right now. They should be on the mirrors within the next 24 hours. Just check out:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/cthiel/
or one of the mirrors that has the people dirs.
thx
Detlef
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:08:05AM -0600, Cameron Seader wrote:
Hey just for kicks why don't we compile a yum package for SLES9
The SUSE Linux 9.1 package should work on SLES9 as well. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Robert Schiele wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:08:05AM -0600, Cameron Seader wrote:
Hey just for kicks why don't we compile a yum package for SLES9
The SUSE Linux 9.1 package should work on SLES9 as well.
You could, but if you are on ia64, ppc, s390 or s390x you would have a problem. Therefore I just built the complete set of SLES9 RPMs and put the into ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/cthiel/ WARNING: These RPMs are not supported in any way by SUSE / Novell. Installing those RPMs can even void your support agreements. Regards Christoph
Hi, Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 08:39 schrieb Christoph Thiel:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64. I need /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/ for the "Opteron Packman", and that archive still is not YaST compatible. But: it is already present. ;-))
Eberhard, it shouldn't be a big deal to run
"createrepo /pub/linux/misc/suser-drcux/"
on ftp.gwdg.de. That would make this repo "YaST compatible" (at least for 10.0).
2005/09/14 20:20:28 [8549] ftp4.gwdg.de send 100/repodata/filelists.xml.gz 2005/09/14 20:20:28 [8549] ftp4.gwdg.de send 100/repodata/other.xml.gz 2005/09/14 20:20:28 [8549] ftp4.gwdg.de send 100/repodata/primary.xml.gz 2005/09/14 20:20:28 [8549] ftp4.gwdg.de send 100/repodata/repomd.xml wow, ich have build the repodata at 20:19, Eberhard, your crystall ball is very fast... ;) Detlef
How do you convert a yast install repository to a YUM repository? -Cameron
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:00:19PM +0200, Detlef Reichelt wrote:
Am Donnerstag 15 September 2005 20:00 schrieb Cameron Seader:
How do you convert a yast install repository to a YUM repository?
I don't convert any repo... I build new repository for yum with createrepo /path/to/rpm
It is great to use on your local machine as well. I use ceckinstall for some files and download other RPM's that are not available on the SUSE repo's. Thos I put in /usr/src/packages/RPMS/ in the correct directories and then run `createrepo /usr/src/packages/RPMS/`. I then add /usr/src/packages/RPMS/ as an install source in Yast. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Cameron Seader wrote:
How do you convert a yast install repository to a YUM repository?
There is no need to convert them, you can just add the YUM repodata to an existing YaST repository - they don't conflict. To create a YUM repo, just install the "createrepo" package and call createrepo /path/to/packages/ to create the repodata stuff ;) Regards Christoph
Hi, On Monday, September 12, 2005 at 23:49:28, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:23:17PM +0200, Reinhard Gimbel wrote:
Barry Hinrichs schrieb:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
If you select the right source ("packman" for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ...
If you use Packman, you can also use Yast. I do and it works great with me.
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar
Hi, and sorry to barge in on the conversation Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing?
Both MPlayer and xine and all of their relatives. And it is a pain to get the src.rpms and compile because most of the -devel packages needed are not on the media and only on ftp. And a extra one, has someone been able to compile vlc on x86_64? -- Guðlaugur Jóhannesson http://www.hi.is/~gudlaugu Phone: +354 849 8405
Hi, On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2005 at 23:49:28, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:23:17PM +0200, Reinhard Gimbel wrote:
Barry Hinrichs schrieb:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
If you select the right source ("packman" for most multimedia stuff ...) apt might be *your* choice ...
If you use Packman, you can also use Yast. I do and it works great with me.
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing?
In the first place, the whole libxine gallery for playing dvb and dvd. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
Hi, Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 13:27 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg: [...]
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing?
In the first place, the whole libxine gallery for playing dvb and dvd.
done... ;) Detlef
Hi, On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Detlef Reichelt wrote:
Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 13:27 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg: [...]
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing?
In the first place, the whole libxine gallery for playing dvb and dvd.
done... ;)
Disappeared at suser-drcux, but the packman rsync server is not reachable... Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
Hi, On Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 20:23:05, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Detlef Reichelt wrote:
Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 13:27 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg: [...]
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing?
In the first place, the whole libxine gallery for playing dvb and dvd.
done... ;)
Disappeared at suser-drcux, but the packman rsync server is not reachable...
Its completely down somehow. Ill contact Marc.. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar
Hi, On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 20:23:05, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Detlef Reichelt wrote:
Am Dienstag 13 September 2005 13:27 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg:
But currently Packman is not sufficient for x86_64.
What are you missing?
In the first place, the whole libxine gallery for playing dvb and dvd.
done... ;)
Disappeared at suser-drcux, but the packman rsync server is not reachable...
Its completely down somehow. Ill contact Marc..
It is working again. Just in time for the repository generation at ftp4. ;-)) Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On Monday 12 September 2005 16:42, houghi wrote:
If you use Packman, you can also use Yast. I do and it works great with me.
houghi
I prefer Yast too but i use an Apt because i cannot install with Yast nothing from Pacman. I added External Rep. from http://www.opensuse.org/YaST_package_repository but doesn't works. I dom't see Pacmans files...
I dom't see Pacmans files... I had the same problems when I wanted to add the 10.0 rc1 tree, I resolved it after using y2pmsh:
$ source -a http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/
On Monday 12 September 2005 18:05, Youssef CHAHIBI wrote:
I dom't see Pacmans files...
I had the same problems when I wanted to add the 10.0 rc1 tree, I resolved it after using y2pmsh:
$ source -a http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/
It works now. I deleted rep. and add again.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:29:23PM -0400, Barry Hinrichs wrote:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
Am I missing something? Is there a way to make Yast actually SOLVE dependencies instead of proposing solutions such as "ignore and risk inconsistensies" or "get an older version of such and such"...
Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler.
I added Guru and PAckman and have a running Mplayer on both 9.1 and 10.0RC1 Apt killed my system twice. However I love the idea of two (or more) ways to do things. You like apt? Great, I like Yast. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
I find that YaST for 9.3 has some problems but in other vertion link 9.2 it works grate. I also find running YaST from the a tty works better then the GUI. On Monday 12 September 2005 14:41, houghi wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:29:23PM -0400, Barry Hinrichs wrote:
I added many new sources to my Yast list, and it still seems to me that Yast is an inferior tool compared to APT. I tried to add MPlayer and some other basic programs, and it just complains about lots of conflicts, and all the resolutions involve removing programs or other extreme things.
Am I missing something? Is there a way to make Yast actually SOLVE dependencies instead of proposing solutions such as "ignore and risk inconsistensies" or "get an older version of such and such"...
Apt seems to SOLVE dependencies automatically and make things much simpler.
I added Guru and PAckman and have a running Mplayer on both 9.1 and 10.0RC1 Apt killed my system twice. However I love the idea of two (or more) ways to do things. You like apt? Great, I like Yast. houghi -- Thank you, [======================] |Winter Faulk |ph. 707.442.8393 |cell. 707.845.6411 |Winter@BizTechInfo.biz [======================]
houghi schrieb:
Apt killed my system twice. However I love the idea of two (or more) ways to do things. You like apt? Great, I like Yast.
I more like "synaptic" as a GUI atop of apt. I guess there are many ways heading to Rome ... As long as there are several ways available, all these ways might be used ... That's the same for KDE, GNOME. Enlightenment, FVWM, TWM, OLVWM, ... (Did I miss one ? For sure ;-) ) Best regards, Reinhard.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:30:51PM +0200, Reinhard Gimbel wrote:
houghi schrieb:
Apt killed my system twice. However I love the idea of two (or more) ways to do things. You like apt? Great, I like Yast.
I more like "synaptic" as a GUI atop of apt. I guess there are many ways heading to Rome ...
Still uses apt, wich broke my system.
As long as there are several ways available, all these ways might be used ...
As long as apt repositories include Yum as well, Yast can be used for those too. What is great is that the content providers can choose as well.
That's the same for KDE, GNOME. Enlightenment, FVWM, TWM, OLVWM, ... (Did I miss one ? For sure ;-) )
Window Maker, Afterstep, Blackbox, Fluxbox, IceWM, MetaCity, Sawfish, ... houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Am I missing something? You're probably missing something, I use Packman repo with Yast, it worked like a charm, I used it to install MPlayer. Be sure you have added the Packman repo in Yast > Change Source. Have a look at the wiki for details
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Detlef Reichelt -
Eberhard Moenkeberg -
Guðlaugur Jóhannesson -
Henne Vogelsang -
houghi -
Johannes Kastl -
Pascal Bleser -
Reinhard Gimbel -
Robert Schiele -
Winter Faulk -
Youssef CHAHIBI