Hi Philipp, Thank you for your reply. I am attaching a SATA drive to the motherboard which obviously shifts raw device naming as seen by grub. With the system as is, obviously everything works fine. When I add a new SATA device to the motherboard, I am getting grub error 17. device.map: (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822 (hd4) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN (hd3) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EARS-00MVWB0_WD-WMAZ20081724 (hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD7500AAKS-00RBA0_WD-WCAPT0601614 (hd2) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EADS-00R6B0_WD-WCAVY0250778 menu.lst (relevant portion) : ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Desktop -- openSUSE 11.3 - 2.6.34.7-0.5 root (hd4,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822-part2 splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x346 initrd /initrd-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop fstab (relevant portion): /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part3 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 I did not have this problem with 11.2 and 11.1 and seems new with 11.3. Any ideas what I am missing? Thanks, Vahe ----- Original Message ---- From: Philipp Thomas To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 11:20:50 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.3 grub and disk ordering/numbering On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:49:38 -0800 (PST), Vahe Avedissian wrote:

devices.map

Would you please post devices.map and fstab?

This does not work for me with 11.3 and I get a grub error (11 or 17 or 22 - I forget) whenever I add or remove a drive. This worked perfectly with 11.2! Did this change with 11.3 and am I forgetting something here?

And please also describe in detail what you are doing and the precise grub error you get. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi Philipp,

Thank you for your reply. I am attaching a SATA drive to the motherboard which obviously shifts raw device naming as seen by grub.

With the system as is, obviously everything works fine. When I add a new SATA device to the motherboard, I am getting grub error 17.

device.map:

(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822

(hd4) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN

(hd3) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EARS-00MVWB0_WD-WMAZ20081724

(hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD7500AAKS-00RBA0_WD-WCAPT0601614

(hd2) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EADS-00R6B0_WD-WCAVY0250778

menu.lst (relevant portion) :

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Desktop -- openSUSE 11.3 - 2.6.34.7-0.5 root (hd4,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822-part2

splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x346

initrd /initrd-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop

fstab (relevant portion):

/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part3 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2

I did not have this problem with 11.2 and 11.1 and seems new with 11.3.

Any ideas what I am missing?

Thanks,

Vahe

According to the GRUB manual, error 17 "Cannot mount selected partition" means "This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB." The SATA drive's filesystem type? Is the required filesystem kernel module in the initrd? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:11:10 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

Grub messes stuff around

It's not grub but the BIOS that messes things up and enumerates differently

I assume udev is messing stuff up, and that there is no warranty disks will appear in the same order..

Nobody is messing things up. It's just that in the world of dynamic devices and device handling device enumeration isn't really predictable. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata wrote:

It looks to me like those who need a PATA/SATA/USB mix need to explore Grub "2", which may actually reach v2 GA in less than another year.

All my recent opensuse systems are booted using Ubuntu :( Because it uses grub2 that in my experience just works, whereas .... Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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From: Felix Miata To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 7:38:52 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.3 grub and disk ordering/numbering

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On 2010/11/14 13:49 (GMT+0100) Philipp Thomas composed:

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Grub messes stuff around

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It's not grub but the BIOS that messes things up and enumerates differently

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UUID & LABEL get the kernel/OS around this, but Grub 1 can't deal with it.

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I assume udev is messing stuff up, and that there is no warranty disks will appear in the same order..

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Nobody is messing things up. It's just that in the world of dynamic devices and device handling device enumeration isn't really predictable.

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It's really not much problem, IF you can:

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1-boot with any USB storage devices attached only if you intend to actually boot from such device on that boot

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2-stick to using either PATA or SATA exclusively for HDs

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OTOH, changing the PATA/SATA mix, or replacing a PATA or SATA HD, after installing to either or both not unusually produces devastation. This is what the recent Stan G >>"Unsuccessful installation of operating system" & "BIOS/GRUB Problem" & Bob S "Basic 11.3 questions" threads were all about. This is not to say I have no experience with >>the problem, as we got Bob S's figured out by having him bring it here, and I guided Stan G to solution via email conversation extending over several weeks.

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This doesn't happen to my many systems because I don't mix SATA & PATA, and have not one single bootable USB storage device. On most, I find a single HD perfectly >>adequate for 3, 5 or 10 or more installed operating systems, backing up across the network, or to temporarily attached USB or eSATA storage devices.

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It looks to me like those who need a PATA/SATA/USB mix need to explore Grub "2", which may actually reach v2 GA in less than another year. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Actually, I am using SATA disks only. I have several HBA SATA controllers plus the SATA ports on the system board. The odd thing to me is the the openSuSE system disk was "detected" as the 5th drive. When I added a couple of SATA disks to the motherboard port, I expected that my system disk would order would either stay the same or get bumped by 2 based on what order the BIOS exported the drives to the OS. To my surprise, the system disk got re-ordered as the first drive! I don't know why that would happen, but it was unexpected. A little trial an error with GRUB and I got the order figured out and the system works fine now with all drives attached. Vahe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org