[opensuse] 11.3 grub and disk ordering/numbering
Greetings all, My fstab, devices.map, and menu.lst all reference devices by I'd so that addind or removing disks should not affect grub And booting. This does not work for me with 11.3 and I get a grub error (11 or 17 or 22 - I forget) whenever I add or remove a drive. This worked perfectly with 11.2! Did this change with 11.3 and am I forgetting something here? Any idea why this is not workin? Thanks, Vahe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:49:38 -0800 (PST), Vahe Avedissian <vyav@yahoo.com> wrote:
devices.map
Would you please post devices.map and fstab?
This does not work for me with 11.3 and I get a grub error (11 or 17 or 22 - I forget) whenever I add or remove a drive. This worked perfectly with 11.2! Did this change with 11.3 and am I forgetting something here?
And please also describe in detail what you are doing and the precise grub error you get. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Philipp, Thank you for your reply. I am attaching a SATA drive to the motherboard which obviously shifts raw device naming as seen by grub. With the system as is, obviously everything works fine. When I add a new SATA device to the motherboard, I am getting grub error 17. device.map: (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822 (hd4) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN (hd3) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EARS-00MVWB0_WD-WMAZ20081724 (hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD7500AAKS-00RBA0_WD-WCAPT0601614 (hd2) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EADS-00R6B0_WD-WCAVY0250778 menu.lst (relevant portion) : ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Desktop -- openSUSE 11.3 - 2.6.34.7-0.5 root (hd4,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822-part2 splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x346 initrd /initrd-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop fstab (relevant portion): /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part3 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 I did not have this problem with 11.2 and 11.1 and seems new with 11.3. Any ideas what I am missing? Thanks, Vahe ----- Original Message ---- From: Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 11:20:50 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.3 grub and disk ordering/numbering On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:49:38 -0800 (PST), Vahe Avedissian <vyav@yahoo.com> wrote:
devices.map
Would you please post devices.map and fstab?
This does not work for me with 11.3 and I get a grub error (11 or 17 or 22 - I forget) whenever I add or remove a drive. This worked perfectly with 11.2! Did this change with 11.3 and am I forgetting something here?
And please also describe in detail what you are doing and the precise grub error you get. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag 13 November 2010 schrieb Vahe Avedissian:
Hi Philipp,
Thank you for your reply. I am attaching a SATA drive to the motherboard which obviously shifts raw device naming as seen by grub.
With the system as is, obviously everything works fine. When I add a new SATA device to the motherboard, I am getting grub error 17.
device.map:
(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822
(hd4) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN
(hd3) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EARS-00MVWB0_WD-WMAZ20081724
(hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD7500AAKS-00RBA0_WD-WCAPT0601614
(hd2) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EADS-00R6B0_WD-WCAVY0250778
menu.lst (relevant portion) :
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Desktop -- openSUSE 11.3 - 2.6.34.7-0.5 root (hd4,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822-part2
splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x346
initrd /initrd-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop
fstab (relevant portion):
/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part3 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2
I did not have this problem with 11.2 and 11.1 and seems new with 11.3.
Any ideas what I am missing?
This error happens even before the kernel is loaded. So the /dev/disk/by-id thing doesn't help. This is done by udev,when the kernel is allready running. At system startup the BIOS does an enumeration of the available disks. Your Intel becomes 5th BIOS disk (hd4) without attaching the addtional SATA disk. After adding the additional drive it probably becomes 6th BIOS disk. As Grub uses the BIOS to access the drives and doesn't know of that change you can imagine, that something goes wrong now. As first try I would try to move the SATA cable for the INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN into the SATA port which you did use before for the 6th disk. If that configation boots, attaching the 6th disk, using the SATA connector which was used before by the SSD, should work too. If that doesn't boot ,please have look into the BIOS boot messages to get an idea , in which order the drives are recognized actually. You might have to disable a BIOS splashscreen in your BIOS setup to see these messages. But be aware, that booting from the 5th BIOS disk is allways a little bit fragile. It will break again, if you remove one of the 4 disks, which are enumerated before. PS: And of course this is not a 11.3 problem. You probably just hadn't have a drive configuration, which is able to trigger that problem before adding the SSD with 11.3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Philipp,
Thank you for your reply. I am attaching a SATA drive to the motherboard which obviously shifts raw device naming as seen by grub.
With the system as is, obviously everything works fine. When I add a new SATA device to the motherboard, I am getting grub error 17.
device.map:
(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822
(hd4) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN
(hd3) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EARS-00MVWB0_WD-WMAZ20081724
(hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD7500AAKS-00RBA0_WD-WCAPT0601614
(hd2) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD20EADS-00R6B0_WD-WCAVY0250778
menu.lst (relevant portion) :
###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title Desktop -- openSUSE 11.3 - 2.6.34.7-0.5 root (hd4,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD740ADFD-00NLR1_WD-WMANS1505822-part2
splash=silent quiet showopts vga=0x346
initrd /initrd-2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop
fstab (relevant portion):
/dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part2 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2M080G2GN_CVPO9391018S080BGN-part3 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2
I did not have this problem with 11.2 and 11.1 and seems new with 11.3.
Any ideas what I am missing?
Thanks,
Vahe
According to the GRUB manual, error 17 "Cannot mount selected partition" means "This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB." The SATA drive's filesystem type? Is the required filesystem kernel module in the initrd? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
El 12/11/10 15:49, Vahe Avedissian escribió:
Greetings all,
My fstab, devices.map, and menu.lst all reference devices by I'd so that addind or removing disks should not affect grub And booting.
This does not work for me with 11.3 and I get a grub error (11 or 17 or 22 - I forget) whenever I add or remove a drive. This worked perfectly with 11.2! Did this change with 11.3 and am I forgetting something here?
Any idea why this is not workin?
I had your same issue, Grub messes stuff around , happended when I added an Intel SSD 80Gb to this box. I assume udev is messing stuff up, and that there is no warranty disks will appear in the same order.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:11:10 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Grub messes stuff around
It's not grub but the BIOS that messes things up and enumerates differently
I assume udev is messing stuff up, and that there is no warranty disks will appear in the same order..
Nobody is messing things up. It's just that in the world of dynamic devices and device handling device enumeration isn't really predictable. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/11/14 13:49 (GMT+0100) Philipp Thomas composed:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Grub messes stuff around
It's not grub but the BIOS that messes things up and enumerates differently
UUID & LABEL get the kernel/OS around this, but Grub 1 can't deal with it.
I assume udev is messing stuff up, and that there is no warranty disks will appear in the same order..
Nobody is messing things up. It's just that in the world of dynamic devices and device handling device enumeration isn't really predictable.
It's really not much problem, IF you can: 1-boot with any USB storage devices attached only if you intend to actually boot from such device on that boot 2-stick to using either PATA or SATA exclusively for HDs OTOH, changing the PATA/SATA mix, or replacing a PATA or SATA HD, after installing to either or both not unusually produces devastation. This is what the recent Stan G "Unsuccessful installation of operating system" & "BIOS/GRUB Problem" & Bob S "Basic 11.3 questions" threads were all about. This is not to say I have no experience with the problem, as we got Bob S's figured out by having him bring it here, and I guided Stan G to solution via email conversation extending over several weeks. This doesn't happen to my many systems because I don't mix SATA & PATA, and have not one single bootable USB storage device. On most, I find a single HD perfectly adequate for 3, 5 or 10 or more installed operating systems, backing up across the network, or to temporarily attached USB or eSATA storage devices. It looks to me like those who need a PATA/SATA/USB mix need to explore Grub "2", which may actually reach v2 GA in less than another year. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
It looks to me like those who need a PATA/SATA/USB mix need to explore Grub "2", which may actually reach v2 GA in less than another year.
All my recent opensuse systems are booted using Ubuntu :( Because it uses grub2 that in my experience just works, whereas .... Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/11/15 09:55 (GMT) Dave Howorth composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
It looks to me like those who need a PATA/SATA/USB mix need to explore Grub "2", which may actually reach v2 GA in less than another year.
All my recent opensuse systems are booted using Ubuntu :( Because it uses grub2 that in my experience just works, whereas ....
I've been subscribed to the Grub mailing lists for years. The bug reports and problems even with 1.98 remain scary. I don't let *buntu put Grub anywhere but its / partition, and don't use it to boot anything other than *buntu, and only then on a test basis since conforming its cmdline parameters to my (text-only/non-GUI, full disclosure) requirements is so vexatious. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
From: Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 7:38:52 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.3 grub and disk ordering/numbering
On 2010/11/14 13:49 (GMT+0100) Philipp Thomas composed:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Grub messes stuff around
It's not grub but the BIOS that messes things up and enumerates differently
UUID & LABEL get the kernel/OS around this, but Grub 1 can't deal with it.
I assume udev is messing stuff up, and that there is no warranty disks will appear in the same order..
Nobody is messing things up. It's just that in the world of dynamic devices and device handling device enumeration isn't really predictable.
It's really not much problem, IF you can:
1-boot with any USB storage devices attached only if you intend to actually boot from such device on that boot
2-stick to using either PATA or SATA exclusively for HDs
OTOH, changing the PATA/SATA mix, or replacing a PATA or SATA HD, after installing to either or both not unusually produces devastation. This is what the recent Stan G >>"Unsuccessful installation of operating system" & "BIOS/GRUB Problem" & Bob S "Basic 11.3 questions" threads were all about. This is not to say I have no experience with >>the problem, as we got Bob S's figured out by having him bring it here, and I guided Stan G to solution via email conversation extending over several weeks.
This doesn't happen to my many systems because I don't mix SATA & PATA, and have not one single bootable USB storage device. On most, I find a single HD perfectly >>adequate for 3, 5 or 10 or more installed operating systems, backing up across the network, or to temporarily attached USB or eSATA storage devices.
It looks to me like those who need a PATA/SATA/USB mix need to explore Grub "2", which may actually reach v2 GA in less than another year. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
Actually, I am using SATA disks only. I have several HBA SATA controllers plus the SATA ports on the system board. The odd thing to me is the the openSuSE system disk was "detected" as the 5th drive. When I added a couple of SATA disks to the motherboard port, I expected that my system disk would order would either stay the same or get bumped by 2 based on what order the BIOS exported the drives to the OS. To my surprise, the system disk got re-ordered as the first drive! I don't know why that would happen, but it was unexpected. A little trial an error with GRUB and I got the order figured out and the system works fine now with all drives attached. Vahe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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