Bastardized Son of Gnome & KDE
I hope this isn't a total newbie mistake - if it is, my apologies. I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE. I selected an app - Grip - from the KDE menu. The app fired up and failed; no problem, I was using KDE instead of Gnome. However, on closing the app, I found that I had a bastardized version of KDE. I now have the KDE panel at the bottom of the screen (where it normally is for me), but I have Gnome's wallpaper and icons as the desktop. If I reboot / log out + log in, I see my old KDE desktop and icons for a moment, then Gnome's wallpaper and icons load on top. I have tried selected Gnome as my windows manager, and then going back to KDE plus other windows managers - all without luck. I cannot get back to my old KDE desktop. Any suggestions? And was it really so wrong to select a Gnome app from the menu when running KDE? thanks in advance, Carl -- carl huber | wet web work | glue London
Carl wrote:
I selected an app - Grip - from the KDE menu. The app fired up and failed; no problem, I was using KDE instead of Gnome. However, on closing the app, I found that I had a bastardized version of KDE.
I now have the KDE panel at the bottom of the screen (where it normally is for me), but I have Gnome's wallpaper and icons as the desktop. If I reboot / log out + log in, I see my old KDE desktop and icons for a moment, then Gnome's wallpaper and icons load on top.
I have tried selected Gnome as my windows manager, and then going back to KDE plus other windows managers - all without luck.
I cannot get back to my old KDE desktop.
Any suggestions? And was it really so wrong to select a Gnome app from the menu when running KDE?
thanks in advance,
Hi Carl I can't help with your lost desktop :( But just assure you that there is no problem with running Gnome apps within KDE. Or KDE apps in Gnome for that matter. Or KDE apps in WindowMaker and so on... As for the lost desktop, one thing to try would be to rename your kde directory (before starting KDE) and then start up, see what happens. ~# mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-bak ~# startx cheers jalal -- GPG fingerprint = 3D45 5509 D380 26A4 523E A9D8 A66A 5F38 CA43 BB0E
On Tuesday 22 October 2002 19:05, jalal wrote:
But just assure you that there is no problem with running Gnome apps within KDE. Or KDE apps in Gnome for that matter. Or KDE apps in WindowMaker and so on...
I appreciate the reassurance - I had become very wary of what I opened, but now I have a way back to my lost desktop (thanks to John Pettigrew) I will explore again. thanks, Carl -- carl huber | wet web work | glue London
On Tuesday, 22 October 2002 11:51, you wrote:
I now have the KDE panel at the bottom of the screen (where it normally is for me), but I have Gnome's wallpaper and icons as the desktop. If I reboot / log out + log in, I see my old KDE desktop and icons for a moment, then Gnome's wallpaper and icons load on top.
Carl, Welcome to the club! (Of which, it seems, I'm president-for-life). Though my beginning was different, the result was the same. The only way I found to recover KDE was to *delete* all references to the G-word in /home. Privately, I think the G-folks shot themselves in the foot, because several blue moons are going to pass before I touch the G-world again. -- Regards, gr (in /usually/ balmy, sunny Florida's Suncoast) [powered by SuSE-7.3 Linux 2.4.10]
Ouch - being new to Linux I'm not that confident about deleting bits and pieces yet. But if I have to... And I agree, this wasn't the best introduction to Gnome I could have had! thanks, Carl On Wednesday 23 October 2002 01:30, gilson redrick wrote:
Carl,
Welcome to the club! (Of which, it seems, I'm president-for-life). Though my beginning was different, the result was the same. The only way I found to recover KDE was to *delete* all references to the G-word in /home. Privately, I think the G-folks shot themselves in the foot, because several blue moons are going to pass before I touch the G-world again.
-- carl huber | wet web work | glue London
Did you run the help in grip? I think what may be happening here is that the help uses nautilus as help viewer, and nautilus then proceeds to draw the desktop. I'll try to replicate this and (more importantly) ask for help from people who know more. On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Carl wrote:
I hope this isn't a total newbie mistake - if it is, my apologies.
I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE.
I selected an app - Grip - from the KDE menu. The app fired up and failed; no problem, I was using KDE instead of Gnome. However, on closing the app, I found that I had a bastardized version of KDE.
I now have the KDE panel at the bottom of the screen (where it normally is for me), but I have Gnome's wallpaper and icons as the desktop. If I reboot / log out + log in, I see my old KDE desktop and icons for a moment, then Gnome's wallpaper and icons load on top.
I have tried selected Gnome as my windows manager, and then going back to KDE plus other windows managers - all without luck.
I cannot get back to my old KDE desktop.
Any suggestions? And was it really so wrong to select a Gnome app from the menu when running KDE?
thanks in advance,
Carl
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Thats could well be what I did; a newbie who rtm / help files - we do exist. ; ) And it sounds correct in line with what happens when I log in; I guess nautilus is loading after everything else - thus the brief glimpse of my KDE desktop. I appreciate the help, and look forward to any advice you can offer. thanks, Carl On Wednesday 23 October 2002 07:08, Roger Whittaker wrote:
Did you run the help in grip? I think what may be happening here is that the help uses nautilus as help viewer, and nautilus then proceeds to draw the desktop.
I'll try to replicate this and (more importantly) ask for help from people who know more.
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Carl wrote:
I hope this isn't a total newbie mistake - if it is, my apologies.
I'm using Suse 8.1 with KDE.
I selected an app - Grip - from the KDE menu. The app fired up and failed; no problem, I was using KDE instead of Gnome. However, on closing the app, I found that I had a bastardized version of KDE.
I now have the KDE panel at the bottom of the screen (where it normally is for me), but I have Gnome's wallpaper and icons as the desktop. If I reboot / log out + log in, I see my old KDE desktop and icons for a moment, then Gnome's wallpaper and icons load on top.
I have tried selected Gnome as my windows manager, and then going back to KDE plus other windows managers - all without luck.
I cannot get back to my old KDE desktop.
Any suggestions? And was it really so wrong to select a Gnome app from the menu when running KDE?
thanks in advance,
Carl
-- carl huber | wet web work | glue London
In a previous message, Carl wrote:
And it sounds correct in line with what happens when I log in; I guess nautilus is loading after everything else - thus the brief glimpse of my KDE desktop.
One way to check whether this is what's happening - open a directory from the new desktop (if there's a "Home" directory or similar). If you get nautilus opening, that's your problem. Alternatively, type "nautilus" into a console. Go to Edit>Preferences and then choose the Desktop & Trash option. Deselect "Use Nautilus to draw your desktop" and close. If that was the problem, you'll find that you are back to the KDE desktop. Probably, what happened in this case is that you closed your KDE session with nautilus running. It then saved your current session, so every subsequent time that you logged in, you got nautilus launched. To stop this happening in future, turn off "Save current session". I only use it for the rare occasions when I actually want a whole batch of stuff launched as soon as I log in. HTH, John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 08:48, John Pettigrew wrote:
Alternatively, type "nautilus" into a console. Go to Edit>Preferences and then choose the Desktop & Trash option. Deselect "Use Nautilus to draw your desktop" and close. If that was the problem, you'll find that you are back to the KDE desktop.
It worked! It did require logging out and back in - deselecting "Use Nautilus to draw your desktop" just removed the icons but left the wallpaper - but now I'm back to the KDE desktop.
Probably, what happened in this case is that you closed your KDE session with nautilus running. It then saved your current session, so every subsequent time that you logged in, you got nautilus launched.
Spot on - I had "Save current session" selected. I now know better. thankyou Carl -- carl huber | wet web work | glue London
A big thankyou to John Pettigrew for this simple fix, reposted here for those that might have missed it: "Type "nautilus" into a console. Go to Edit>Preferences and then choose the Desktop & Trash option. Deselect "Use Nautilus to draw your desktop" and close. If that was the problem, you'll find that you are back to the KDE desktop." No need to delete anything, all I needed to do was log out and back in to clear the wallpaper and there was KDE in all its glory. Hope this helps others, Carl -- carl huber | wet web work | glue London
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 07:08, Roger Whittaker wrote:
Did you run the help in grip? I think what may be happening here is that the help uses nautilus as help viewer, and nautilus then proceeds to draw the desktop.
I'll try to replicate this and (more importantly) ask for help from people who know more.
Running Grip help in kde is eaxctlty what I did (twice). The result was as previously described. I had to delete my .kde file and start again to fix it Mike
On Wednesday, 23 October 2002 03:08, Roger Whittaker wrote:
Did you run the help in grip? I think what may be happening here is that the help uses nautilus as help viewer, and nautilus then proceeds to draw the desktop.
Now, that you mention it, I remember. Yes! I wasn't running 'grip', but 'gnucash', and when I got a problem, I invoked 'help'. That was the end of KDE. A few days later, I gave 'gnucash' another try; when, again, I invoked 'help', KDE got shoved off. The worst part is that, when 'Nautilus' takes over, it does for good, even after a reboot. The only way I found to get KDE back was to delete 'Nautilus' from /home. -- Regards, gr (in /usually/ balmy, sunny Florida's Suncoast) [powered by SuSE-7.3 Linux 2.4.10]
On Thursday 24 October 2002 00.51, gilson redrick wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 October 2002 03:08, Roger Whittaker wrote:
Did you run the help in grip? I think what may be happening here is that the help uses nautilus as help viewer, and nautilus then proceeds to draw the desktop.
Now, that you mention it, I remember. Yes! I wasn't running 'grip', but 'gnucash', and when I got a problem, I invoked 'help'. That was the end of KDE. A few days later, I gave 'gnucash' another try; when, again, I invoked 'help', KDE got shoved off. The worst part is that, when 'Nautilus' takes over, it does for good, even after a reboot. The only way I found to get KDE back was to delete 'Nautilus' from /home.
It should be enough to kill nautilus before you log out, using "save session". KDE's session handling will then not start it up again. Anders
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 24 October 2002 00.51, gilson redrick wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 October 2002 03:08, Roger Whittaker wrote:
Did you run the help in grip? I think what may be happening here is that the help uses nautilus as help viewer, and nautilus then proceeds to draw the desktop.
Now, that you mention it, I remember. Yes! I wasn't running 'grip', but 'gnucash', and when I got a problem, I invoked 'help'. That was the end of KDE. A few days later, I gave 'gnucash' another try; when, again, I invoked 'help', KDE got shoved off. The worst part is that, when 'Nautilus' takes over, it does for good, even after a reboot. The only way I found to get KDE back was to delete 'Nautilus' from /home.
It should be enough to kill nautilus before you log out, using "save session". KDE's session handling will then not start it up again.
Anders
Something that you might want to do to avoid this whole difficulty in the future is to simply disable having Nautilus draw your desktop. To do this, launch Nautilus, click on Edit>Preferences>Desktop & Trash, and then uncheck the box that says "Use Nautilus to draw the desktop". After that, just click on okay, and you should be all set hth, Kevin
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