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On 11/15/2009 07:35 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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I haven't configured it as a server yet, wow, so far I have had 'zero' problem with the 11.2 install as a desktop. Granted, I haven't gotten to everything yet, but I have gotten through enough to give an initial take on the desktop install aspect of 11.2. I don't why I did it this way, but my first install was my first successfull 'upgrade' (11.1->11.2) rather than install and it was my first install where I took a kde4 setup to a completely Gnome install.

Vmware. Does not work. That's blocking me from even thinking to upgrade.

Not even worth looking into _why_ it doesn't work? /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I have downloaded the 2.0.2 server version (around 300 MB); I normally use the 1.x series. That took a long time. The registering page is quite intrusive, IMO. I'm using it at home, why the heck do they want my business address?

Then I have to download kernel sources (this test partition is not that big), apply the patch that has been published on another thread here, see if it works...

I don't have enough time. Now I have to do some house chores instead :-)

That's why I moved over to using VirtualBox instead of VMWare :-) it works much better overall for home use than VMWare, and I don't have to futz around with dodgy patches to get it to work on a new kernel (at least I haven't had to yet). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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That's why I moved over to using VirtualBox instead of VMWare :-)  it works much better overall for home use than VMWare, and I don't have to futz around with dodgy patches to get it to work on a new kernel (at least I haven't had to yet).

Will virtualbox wok on 64 bit system?

I've been running it on a 64 bit OS for a long time now... http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads has 64_bit builds for openSUSE (says 11.1, but it's working OK in 11.2 as well). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Will virtualbox wok on 64 bit system?

Yep, it works fine.  I've just built Virtualbox_OSE, no problems.

Does the OSE version still have the limitations like USB not working up etc? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/15/2009 01:44 PM, Clayton wrote:

That's why I moved over to using VirtualBox instead of VMWare :-) it works much better overall for home use than VMWare, and I don't have to futz around with dodgy patches to get it to work on a new kernel (at least I haven't had to yet).

That's not always an option. For instance, VB does not support Win98, and VMW does. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksAL60ACgkQU92UU+smfQXlegCfR0h9xVkhLHGiHskOBuw0rBMW iP0AnjNFOO/XDct6bnnukrZwLDJU+OKK =agOd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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That's why I moved over to using VirtualBox instead of VMWare :-) it works much better overall for home use than VMWare, and I don't have to futz around with dodgy patches to get it to work on a new kernel (at least I haven't had to yet).

That's not always an option. For instance, VB does not support Win98, and VMW does.

Really? I though VB had Win98 as an option too.

True enough... but wow... does anyone still have something that must run on Win98 over say... XP?

Sure - games.

I know there are a few legacy apps around that have odd requirements... it's surprising though that there would be any real need to actually use Win98 or Win95 anymore. :-P

Games, games, games. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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True enough... but wow... does anyone still have something that must run on Win98 over say... XP?

Sure - games.

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I know there are a few legacy apps around that have odd requirements... it's surprising though that there would be any real need to actually use Win98 or Win95 anymore. :-P

Games, games, games.

Hahaha... anything that will run only in Win98 or Win95 will almost certainly work in Wine :-)

Good point - Win2000 pinball does run very well in wine, I'll have to check some of my other favourites. I thought there was reason I wanted to try out win9x in Virtualbox. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/15/2009 07:20 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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That's not always an option. For instance, VB does not support Win98, and VMW does.

Really? I though VB had Win98 as an option too.

You can try, but is is not officially suported. On VMW it is, last time I looked. Another case is MsDos...

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True enough... but wow... does anyone still have something that must run on Win98 over say... XP?

Sure - games.

In my case, I have a license for Win-Me on this computer, not for XP. An extra XP license costs money. And I have software there that works... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksAnHUACgkQU92UU+smfQWyugCggIxNxN/sBES8/Bl8xq10C7zA CDgAoJOgJ/vuXTlwUtIxIoEZ3/qIjA7z =kaHc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2009-11-16 at 09:00 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Another case is MsDos...

For which I personally wouldn't bother with VB - dosemu and dosbox both do a very good job. I think dosemu might even have some of my code :-)

That's nice. Can they play old dos games, with graphics et al? I've used dosemu just a bit. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksMQcwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XwbwCeM2VfxkHIthlECmTdF4E4uTtF 9zYAnjcOKhC3BRBAZ2RS1l/VvqlPho0b =gGFQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

G T Smith wrote:

dosbox can... with sound and is tuneable...

Is there any way to make the dosbox window bigger? I have a 23" monitor and when the game in dosbox is run, it's in a small window that covers only a fraction of my display. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Per Jessen wrote:

James Knott wrote:

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G T Smith wrote:

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dosbox can... with sound and is tuneable...

Is there any way to make the dosbox window bigger? I have a 23" monitor and when the game in dosbox is run, it's in a small window that covers only a fraction of my display.

Check out the scaler setting in dosbox.conf.

/Per

According to the README, that file has to be created by the config command. I don't seem to have that available. "Just create a config file: config -writeconf configfile" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/11/25 14:33 (GMT+0100) Per Jessen composed:

James Knott wrote:

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Is there any way to make the dosbox window bigger? I have a 23" monitor and when the game in dosbox is run, it's in a small window that covers only a fraction of my display.

Check out the scaler setting in dosbox.conf.

I think mine would be big enough if only it was using 132x43 mode instead of 80x25. I don't see anything pointing to how to do that in that file? Can it be done? Also, I looked on dosbox.com but couldn't find any reference to any mailing list for it. Anyone know of one? Its forum, like virtually all web forums, is designed for people with lowres screens and/or vision magnitudes better than mine. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/11/25 19:30 (GMT+0100) Per Jessen composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/11/25 14:33 (GMT+0100) Per Jessen composed:

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Check out the scaler setting in dosbox.conf.

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I think mine would be big enough if only it was using 132x43 mode instead of 80x25. I don't see anything pointing to how to do that in that file? Can it be done?

I don't know about character mode, but I think the scaler attribute should work too.

I since discovered that using the default scaler setting that all I need do is select the correct mode inside the app (QPro 5.6).

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Also, I looked on dosbox.com but couldn't find any reference to any mailing list for it. Anyone know of one? Its forum, like virtually all web forums, is designed for people with lowres screens and/or vision magnitudes better than mine.

I have not yet have reason to seek help - I was ecstatic when I got Master of Magic to run without doing my own magic incantations.

I still need to find help, because now even though I have the desired mode working, and even though it shows all the memory it knows how to use is available, it gives "not enough memory for that operation" trying to open files over an as yet undetermined smallish size. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Monday, 2009-11-16 at 09:00 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Another case is MsDos...

For which I personally wouldn't bother with VB - dosemu and dosbox both do a very good job. I think dosemu might even have some of my code :-)

That's nice.

Can they play old dos games, with graphics et al? I've used dosemu just a bit.

I use dosbox for playing "Master of Magic" - prior to finding dosbox, I was only ever able to make it play in the OS2 dosbox. (which I have long ago given up on). /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.3°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Per Jessen wrote: I have one here called "RailRoad Tycoon". It works OK, but it opens in a small window. I think the game's best resolution is 640 x 480.

I like that one too, but for Windows (Railroad Tycoon Gold/Platinum). I've been trying to make it play with wine and virtualbox, and have gotten it to work in VB except for the mouse rate which makes moving the map very difficult :-( /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 07:45:16 James Knott wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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Can they play old dos games, with graphics et al? I've used dosemu just a bit.

I use dosbox for playing "Master of Magic" - prior to finding dosbox, I was only ever able to make it play in the OS2 dosbox. (which I have long ago given up on).

I got it to work under XP, does that count? Gosh, I wonder where my installation disks for that game got off to. It would be fun to play again. I suppose I can probably "pirate" it from classictrash.com or something.

I have one here called "RailRoad Tycoon". It works OK, but it opens in a small window. I think the game's best resolution is 640 x 480.

There's an open-source engine very similar to RailRoad Tycoon called OpenTTD that runs natively on Linux. If you have the data files from RailRoad Tycoon, I believe it will load them. Check out http://www.openttd.org/ maybe you can stop emulating DOS entirely. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/

Clayton írta: . it's surprising though that there

would be any real need to actually use Win98 or Win95 anymore. :-P

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Just an example for the real need: We have a good old 10+ years old infrared spectrometer shipped with an original Dell computer that runs Win95 ver.2 (the one that shows "with Internet Explorer" on the boot screen). The compuer begins to die, but we cannot change it to a less old one: the spectrometer control software does not start even on win98. Not speaking of the control card: you simply won't find the appropriate slot it needs on a less antique motherboard. The manufacturer's policy is clear: if you lose your button, buy a new coat. Albert Btw we were not even able to change the CD and floppy drives 'cause they operate with proprietary Dell drivers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton wrote:

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Just an example for the real need: We have a good old 10+ years old infrared spectrometer shipped with an original Dell computer that runs Win95 ver.2 (the one that shows "with Internet Explorer" on the boot screen). The compuer begins to die, but we cannot change it to a less old one: the spectrometer control software does not start even on win98. Not speaking of the control card: you simply won't find the appropriate slot it needs on a less antique motherboard. The manufacturer's policy is clear: if you lose your button, buy a new coat.

Albert

Btw we were not even able to change the CD and floppy drives 'cause they operate with proprietary Dell drivers

Ouch! A perfect bad example of the negative aspects of vendor lock-in. In this case though, running in VMWare or VBox is irrelevant since the spectrometer has special interface hardware.

It might work - it's probably just an ISA card, so probably just port IO. There are manufacturers out there who build motherboards with ISA slots for industrial control etc. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On 11/15/2009 08:27 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Anyway, point being that in almost, but not quite all, cases, VirtualBox will serve as a host for legacy Windows installs/apps.

Yes, but mine is that vmware supports more types of legacy oses than VB. Some people, like me, need vmware, vb is not an option. If I can't make it work, I can not upgrade to 11.2

VB supports everything in Windows from 3.1 through Windows 7. well as least the version from the VB site does. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 11/16/2009 02:01 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 11/15/2009 08:27 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Anyway, point being that in almost, but not quite all, cases, VirtualBox will serve as a host for legacy Windows installs/apps.

Yes, but mine is that vmware supports more types of legacy oses than VB. Some people, like me, need vmware, vb is not an option. If I can't make it work, I can not upgrade to 11.2

VB supports everything in Windows from 3.1 through Windows 7. well as least the version from the VB site does.

No, it does not.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes

Just nitpicking - just because it isn't listed on that page doesn't mean it isn't supported or doesn't work. I think the only thing you can say about any Windows version not found on that page is that it hasn't been tested with VB. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Per Jessen wrote:

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VB supports everything in Windows from 3.1 through Windows 7. well as least the version from the VB site does.

No, it does not.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes

Just nitpicking - just because it isn't listed on that page doesn't mean it isn't supported or doesn't work. I think the only thing you can say about any Windows version not found on that page is that it hasn't been tested with VB.

Not been tested is enough for me to decide against it.

FWIW, at least WinME does not work. After spending half a night to get it nearly working I decided that it wasn't worth it and installed vmware player.

Exactly, and I use WinMe. Point proven... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksEEHsACgkQU92UU+smfQWP6gCeKTCP5JTlPJg1D7U6GbtbJ+Yb DdAAnRqa04J+Zo8uPlYOd5MADUanRMDH =d4Zn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 11/16/2009 02:01 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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Carlos E. R. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 11/15/2009 08:27 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Anyway, point being that in almost, but not quite all, cases, VirtualBox will serve as a host for legacy Windows installs/apps. Yes, but mine is that vmware supports more types of legacy oses than VB. Some people, like me, need vmware, vb is not an option. If I can't make it work, I can not upgrade to 11.2

VB supports everything in Windows from 3.1 through Windows 7. well as least the version from the VB site does.

No, it does not.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes

When I go to setup a new VM and set the OS type to Windows the pulldown window allows the selection of everything from 3.1 to 7. They may not be officially supported but they are available in the software. Screenshot available via PM if you desire.

The catch is you don't get vbox guest additions for Windows

Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

The catch is you don't get vbox guest additions for Windows

FYI, the vbox guest additions work fine in W2K too. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 15 November 2009 10:02:04 am Clayton wrote:

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That's why I moved over to using VirtualBox instead of VMWare :-) it works much better overall for home use than VMWare, and I don't have to futz around with dodgy patches to get it to work on a new kernel (at least I haven't had to yet).

That's not always an option. For instance, VB does not support Win98, and VMW does.

True enough... but wow... does anyone still have something that must run on Win98 over say... XP?

I use VmWare for software development and testing. The products have to work in Win98, so we have to test in that platform. (along with every other Windows platform). You would be surprised how many Win98 machines are still in production in third world countries where budgets dictate that older machines remain in use as long as possible. -- If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 19:02 +0100, Clayton wrote:

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That's why I moved over to using VirtualBox instead of VMWare :-) it works much better overall for home use than VMWare, and I don't have to futz around with dodgy patches to get it to work on a new kernel (at least I haven't had to yet). That's not always an option. For instance, VB does not support Win98, and VMW does. True enough... but wow... does anyone still have something that must run on Win98 over say...

Yes, sadly. The only way to admin our twenty VOIP PBXs is via a Win98 only app. NORTEL SUCKS! They treat their customers like toilet paper and leave you high and dry with products that never worked as advertised once you make them work by sticking a Cisco router in front of each one of them. Incompetent bastards.

XP? I know there are a few legacy apps around that have odd requirements... it's surprising though that there would be any real need to actually use Win98 or Win95 anymore.

It is pretty common. I know of another shop that has to run Win98 in a VM to control million dollar CNC machines. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Vmware. Does not work. That's blocking me from even thinking to upgrade.

Can you be a little more specific? I installed VMware Workstation 7 with no problems whatsoever.

Not workstation, server. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2-ex-factory "Emerald" GM) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksDCF8ACgkQU92UU+smfQWzVACghq8Jgk8eOKPwd7ENUTg5zNqS TuwAnitcfa3fOwVSpiCsXf93RgAELL10 =TXPq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org