Leap vs Tumbleweed a few questions
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy. I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 . I also have a neighbors old Gateway which is 64 bit which could go the 15.4 route directly or Tumbleweed. What I am wondering with all this complexity should I just switch to Tumbleweed rolling release and skip all the extra work. What is your experience with either??? I know kde3 is going away unless that one guy takes control of it but I find Trinity aka kde 3.5.12 is available for both the 15.x series and Tumbleweed. I just wish Evolution could be repaired to use mbox for the filters I have created. I do not need M$ exchange comparability. CWSIV
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 .
I've found that zypper perfectly manages to do a dist upgrade skipping versions, and that even online (change repo links and 'zypper dup')
I also have a neighbors old Gateway which is 64 bit which could go the 15.4 route directly or Tumbleweed.
My prefered environment is Tumbleweed, but one has to be prepared for HUGE update bandwidth and regular reboots.
What I am wondering with all this complexity should I just switch to Tumbleweed rolling release and skip all the extra work.
What is your experience with either???
While I prefer TW, I wouldn't call it less work. If you have more extra repos active, it can happen that not all of them are in sync regarding dependencies, and you get conflicts. Nothing serious if you have some experience already. I use Leap at work, where uptime and constant user experience is important, and used it at home when I still only had a 6Mbit link. Now all my home machines are TW. No experience on my side with kde 3 and evolution...
On Mon, 2022-06-06 at 17:33 +0100, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 .
I've found that zypper perfectly manages to do a dist upgrade skipping versions, and that even online (change repo links and 'zypper dup')
I also have a neighbors old Gateway which is 64 bit which could go the 15.4 route directly or Tumbleweed.
My prefered environment is Tumbleweed, but one has to be prepared for HUGE update bandwidth and regular reboots.
Do these updates require action on my part as with Leap? I tend to put off large bandwith stuff until days off when I can babysit. CWSIV
On 2022-06-06 11:33:46 Peter Suetterlin wrote:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 .
I've found that zypper perfectly manages to do a dist upgrade skipping versions, and that even online (change repo links and 'zypper dup') But I'm pretty sure that between 15.2 and 15.3, OpenSuSE has added various repositories from the SuSE Enterprise Edition, which might break a migration from 15.2 to 15.4.
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.11 tde-config: 1.0
J Leslie Turriff composed on 2022-06-06 23:15 (UTC-0500):
Peter Suetterlin wrote:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 .
I've found that zypper perfectly manages to do a dist upgrade skipping versions, and that even online (change repo links and 'zypper dup')
But I'm pretty sure that between 15.2 and 15.3, OpenSuSE has added various repositories from the SuSE Enterprise Edition, which might break a migration from 15.2 to 15.4.
I add the new ones in advance of dup: http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.4/backports/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.4/sle/ -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2022-06-06 23:25:58 Felix Miata wrote:
|J Leslie Turriff composed on 2022-06-06 23:15 (UTC-0500): |> Peter Suetterlin wrote: |>>Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote: |>>> I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been |>>> crazy. |>>> |>>> I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 |>>> and then to 15.4 . |>> |>>I've found that zypper perfectly manages to do a dist upgrade skipping |>>versions, and that even online (change repo links and 'zypper dup') |> |> But I'm pretty sure that between 15.2 and 15.3, OpenSuSE has added |> various repositories from the SuSE Enterprise Edition, which might break |> a migration from 15.2 to 15.4. | |I add the new ones in advance of dup: | | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.4/backports/ | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.4/sle/
Yes. One has to know that they're now required, of course. I should have added them to my response. Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.11 tde-config: 1.0
On 2022-06-06 22:15, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2022-06-06 11:33:46 Peter Suetterlin wrote:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 .
I've found that zypper perfectly manages to do a dist upgrade skipping versions, and that even online (change repo links and 'zypper dup') But I'm pretty sure that between 15.2 and 15.3, OpenSuSE has added various repositories from the SuSE Enterprise Edition, which might break a migration from 15.2 to 15.4.
That problem can be completely avoided by upgrading from a USB, rather than using zypper dup. During the setup for the upgrade, you are offered a choice of which repos to remove and which to keep. At most, you will have to edit the version number. Keep Packman and similar, but let the setup remove all the opensuse repos -- the proper new ones are added before the setup continues. I have now upgraded 15.2 --> 15.3 --> 15.4 this way, and both times there were absolutely no problems.
On 2022-06-06 16:34, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 . I also have a neighbors old Gateway which is 64 bit which could go the 15.4 route directly or Tumbleweed.
What I am wondering with all this complexity should I just switch to Tumbleweed rolling release and skip all the extra work.
TW is more work, every week. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
* Carlos E. R.
On 2022-06-06 16:34, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 . I also have a neighbors old Gateway which is 64 bit which could go the 15.4 route directly or Tumbleweed.
What I am wondering with all this complexity should I just switch to Tumbleweed rolling release and skip all the extra work.
TW is more work, every week.
no, it is all relative to what you do. Leap is more work if you make it so. your conjecture is w/o meaning. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2022-06-06 22:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [06-06-22 15:57]:
On 2022-06-06 16:34, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
I know I should have done the upgrade long ago but work has been crazy.
I have one laptop still 15.2 which apparently needs to upgrade to 15.3 and then to 15.4 . I also have a neighbors old Gateway which is 64 bit which could go the 15.4 route directly or Tumbleweed.
What I am wondering with all this complexity should I just switch to Tumbleweed rolling release and skip all the extra work.
TW is more work, every week.
no, it is all relative to what you do. Leap is more work if you make it so.
your conjecture is w/o meaning.
It is your opinion; I have mine. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
On Mon, 2022-06-06 at 23:14 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-06-06 22:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
so.
your conjecture is w/o meaning.
It is your opinion; I have mine.
All I need is instruction fit to make a clear choice. For my neighboor I think straight to 15.4 will do the best until I can teacher how OpenSuSE does things. It will reduce the daily load. For myself the jury is still out and with Cox I have about 100MB speeds which I hope is enough. I have lots of backup to finish but for my neignboor I can frag the whole drive and use it so that makes it easy. CWSIV
On 2022-06-07 04:16, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
On Mon, 2022-06-06 at 23:14 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-06-06 22:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
so.
your conjecture is w/o meaning.
It is your opinion; I have mine.
All I need is instruction fit to make a clear choice. For my neighboor I think straight to 15.4 will do the best until I can teacher how OpenSuSE does things. It will reduce the daily load. For myself the jury is still out and with Cox I have about 100MB speeds which I hope is enough.
I have lots of backup to finish but for my neignboor I can frag the whole drive and use it so that makes it easy.
TW is where new features are offered to the public (tested). It is its nature. Leap goal is stability, minimize change. With TW you have weekly (or more) updates, updates of the kind that change things, some times a lot. You "work" constantly, arguably small work. With Leap changes (and work) is concentrated on the upgrades, so once a year at most, at a time of your choosing. One large upgrade perhaps every five years. It is your choice :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)
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