-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 31/12/2019 20.16, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

Hi Folks,

My 13-year old HP desktop is still working fine, but it's obviously time to retire it before it permanently dies. Also, my wife recently found a bit of luck at the casino and this is the perfect time to upgrade. So I have a couple of questions about hardware compatibility with openSUSE.

It looks like the AMD Ryzen cpu's have a bit of an edge over Intel, but has anyone seen compatibility issues?

I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXgujgAAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1YOwAJ9Po6q9VdriF01q8Lo1LZTJJDu+LACcCbcFfzm2th6YiKv6yYpzjrbUwnk= =Jgb7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, Am Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2019, 21:00:11 CET schrieb Simon Heimbach:

when you think of getting a notebook, I can tell you, that The Ryzen 2500u works out of the box with Leap 15.1 and Tumbleweed. CPU and GPU work without any additional drivers. I have two of those running fine.

To give some input from the desktop side, this is my machine: CPU Ryzen 5 2600 Board ASRock B450 Pro4 GPU Sapphire Radeon RX 570 Pulse 8GB Everything works fine and almost out of the box. Only thing I have to set is kernel parameter "amdgpu.dc=0" in GRUB config. Otherwise I would just get a blank screen. This is a bug known in upstream [1] so I guess it will be fixed at some point. Earlier I had an AMD Radeon R7 240 GPU with 4GB. That one worked completely out of the box, no tweaks needed. I just swapped it for a bit more gaming performance. If you don't need that I'd recommend looking into "older" GPU models to save you some money. That aside I already hat my hands on some Ryzen 3000 machines and the went fine as well. So I guess it's all good there too but you maybe want to search online for reports if you have a specific model in mind. Regards, vinz. [1] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200695

On 1/1/20 5:46 AM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

Hi Folks,

My 13-year old HP desktop is still working fine, but it's obviously time to retire it before it permanently dies.  Also, my wife recently found a bit of luck at the casino and this is the perfect time to upgrade.  So I have a couple of questions about hardware compatibility with openSUSE.

It looks like the AMD Ryzen cpu's have a bit of an edge over Intel, but has anyone seen compatibility issues?

And what about high-res monitors?  I'm looking at a UHD (3840 x 2160) monitor, any issues with Leap 15.1?

Depending on your choice of Desktop and toolkit scaling can be a bit hit and miss, If you want to run a UHD monitor with a second older 1920x1080 monitor or projector you will also likely have a bunch of issues unless you scale them the same, however in some places its getting better, if your just using gnome and gtk apps it is likely running pretty well now. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs

Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance?  I've been trying to avoid the others for decades.  I always thought that Nvidia had better Linux support, and we actually have some users taking advantage of Nvidia GPU's for data processing and presentation. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/01/2020 01.55, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs

Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance?  I've been trying to avoid the others for decades.  I always thought that Nvidia had better Linux support, and we actually have some users taking advantage of Nvidia GPU's for data processing and presentation.

My current Nvidia card is no longer supported by Nvidia proprietary driver, I have to use legacy. And the legacy driver misses some thing (I don't remember the name, but I can find out, there is a bugzilla on it) that makes it be incompatible with packages such as the flight simulator, one of the few games I play, or rather played. So I'm going to try amd video this time, as I'm told they work better with open software. Another. Do you what is optimus hardware? A nice idea. Laptops with this can use the low power battery loving Intel video, but when the application needs more power it switches automatically to the Nvidia chip. Nice, right? Well, it is a pain in the ass (ask Daniel). Well, after so many years, they have now created the support for it in the NVidia proprietary driver. Not very Linux loving, are they? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))

On 02/01/2020 02.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. [01-01-70 12:34]:

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On 02/01/2020 01.55, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs

Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance?  I've been trying to avoid the others for decades.  I always thought that Nvidia had better Linux support, and we actually have some users taking advantage of Nvidia GPU's for data processing and presentation.

My current Nvidia card is no longer supported by Nvidia proprietary driver, I have to use legacy. And the legacy driver misses some thing (I don't remember the name, but I can find out, there is a bugzilla on it) that makes it be incompatible with packages such as the flight simulator, one of the few games I play, or rather played. So I'm going to try amd video this time, as I'm told they work better with open software.

Another.

Do you what is optimus hardware? A nice idea. Laptops with this can use the low power battery loving Intel video, but when the application needs more power it switches automatically to the Nvidia chip. Nice, right? Well, it is a pain in the ass (ask Daniel). Well, after so many years, they have now created the support for it in the NVidia proprietary driver.

but only applied to particular laptops, not all and now there is support. for many years one had to pay particular attention to components to assure they purchased equipment that was supported. not nearly so much any more.

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Not very Linux loving, are they?

so they step up and supply something needed and get chastised for it? that's not your brain talking, Carlso.

But it is. Ask Linus Torvalds. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))

On 1/1/20 8:44 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 02/01/2020 02.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance?  I've been trying to avoid the others for decades.  I always thought that Nvidia had better Linux support, and we actually have some users taking advantage of Nvidia GPU's for data processing and presentation. My current Nvidia card is no longer supported by Nvidia proprietary driver, I have to use legacy. And the legacy driver misses some thing (I don't remember the name, but I can find out, there is a bugzilla on it)

On 02/01/2020 01.55, Lew Wolfgang wrote: that makes it be incompatible with packages such as the flight simulator, one of the few games I play, or rather played. So I'm going to try amd video this time, as I'm told they work better with open software.

Another.

Do you what is optimus hardware? A nice idea. Laptops with this can use the low power battery loving Intel video, but when the application needs more power it switches automatically to the Nvidia chip. Nice, right? Well, it is a pain in the ass (ask Daniel). Well, after so many years, they have now created the support for it in the NVidia proprietary driver. but only applied to particular laptops, not all and now there is support. for many years one had to pay particular attention to components to assure

* Carlos E. R. [01-01-70 12:34]: they purchased equipment that was supported. not nearly so much any more.

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Not very Linux loving, are they? so they step up and supply something needed and get chastised for it? that's not your brain talking, Carlso. But it is. Ask Linus Torvalds. you need to examine facts rather than biased feelings and rantings. I might as well ask my wife (and she has absolutely no idea what the game of

* Carlos E. R. [01-01-20 20:51]: poker is, even the rank of cards.).

Just my $0.02 worth. Ever since about Windows 95 I've used nothing but AMD, and related. Has always worked well. -- "The dog is a gentleman. I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 02/01/2020 à 02:36, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

Do you what is optimus hardware? A nice idea. Laptops with this can use the low power battery loving Intel video, but when the application needs more power it switches automatically to the Nvidia chip. Nice, right? Well, it is a pain in the ass (ask Daniel). Well, after so many years, they have now created the support for it in the NVidia proprietary driver. Not very Linux loving, are they?

can't make it work. Worked one week :-(. Still need a complete setup tutorial for 15.1, the openSUSE wiki is way too old. thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/2020 03.44, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. <> [01-01-20 20:51]:

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On 02/01/2020 02.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [01-01-70 12:34]:

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On 02/01/2020 01.55, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs

Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance? I've been trying to avoid the others for decades. I always thought that Nvidia had better Linux support, and we actually have some users taking advantage of Nvidia GPU's for data processing and presentation.

My current Nvidia card is no longer supported by Nvidia proprietary driver, I have to use legacy. And the legacy driver misses some thing (I don't remember the name, but I can find out, there is a bugzilla on it) that makes it be incompatible with packages such as the flight simulator, one of the few games I play, or rather played. So I'm going to try amd video this time, as I'm told they work better with open software.

Another.

Do you what is optimus hardware? A nice idea. Laptops with this can use the low power battery loving Intel video, but when the application needs more power it switches automatically to the Nvidia chip. Nice, right? Well, it is a pain in the ass (ask Daniel). Well, after so many years, they have now created the support for it in the NVidia proprietary driver.

but only applied to particular laptops, not all and now there is support. for many years one had to pay particular attention to components to assure they purchased equipment that was supported. not nearly so much any more.

...

Not very Linux loving, are they?

so they step up and supply something needed and get chastised for it? that's not your brain talking, Carlso.

But it is. Ask Linus Torvalds.

you need to examine facts rather than biased feelings and rantings. I might as well ask my wife (and she has absolutely no idea what the game of poker is, even the rank of cards.).

You say that Linus doesn't base what he says on facts? Ask almost any kernel developer instead. Several have spoken here against NVidia. I do examine facts: My nvidia card is not fully supported by Nvidia. It is a fact. http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1132952 - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXg3jngAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1XQaAJ9QMsLSSidnxkFODFx8Pcc3DizwGQCfYUXAjeboU9waBcD/bdXh2ZiiAOQ= =DXTP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/2020 07.57, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

Le 02/01/2020 à 04:01, Bill Walsh a écrit :

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Ever since about Windows 95 I've used nothing but AMD, and related. Has always worked well.

right now, the easiest graphic card is intel. Not the faster one, but amd do not allow VIRTUAL screen, for example. I just hit the problem. no solution given (asked on Xorg list)

What is virtual screen? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXg3kmAAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1XlcAKCQYrgEUScCGk+uiB7ye4s7sdw29QCcDtiVPqM2rBzR1XUhoLw05eerhSU= =0YVF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 02/01/2020 à 13:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

What is virtual screen?

don't you remember the time when you could change screen resolution (not size) with control alt +/-? you could get larger screen than accepted by monitor? that's the virtual screen. Used (very long time ago) to be set up in modeline amd do not allow this now. Intel do I dunno for nvidia jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/2020 13.55, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

Le 02/01/2020 à 13:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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What is virtual screen?

don't you remember the time when you could change screen resolution (not size) with control alt +/-? you could get larger screen than accepted by monitor?

that's the virtual screen. Used (very long time ago) to be set up in modeline

amd do not allow this now. Intel do I dunno for nvidia

Ok. I know the feature, but I never used it. I tried it, then went away, so I will not miss it if it doesn't work. Drove me nuts, the screen moving when the mouse reached the edge. No, it doesn't work here, with NVidia, I just tried. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXg3vEgAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1Sr/AJ48fbkyWxqQZCDgKc2RYV905cJhGgCglWbfenqrxAIfbaS8dxCujJ6V/a8= =JeQE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

In data giovedì 2 gennaio 2020 13:35:53 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:

On 02/01/2020 03.44, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [01-01-20 20:51]:

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On 02/01/2020 02.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [01-01-70 12:34]:

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On 02/01/2020 01.55, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for > the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia > and Intel CPUs

Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance? I've been trying to avoid the others for decades. I always thought that Nvidia had better Linux support, and we actually have some users taking advantage of Nvidia GPU's for data processing and presentation.

My current Nvidia card is no longer supported by Nvidia proprietary driver, I have to use legacy. And the legacy driver misses some thing (I don't remember the name, but I can find out, there is a bugzilla on it) that makes it be incompatible with packages such as the flight simulator, one of the few games I play, or rather played. So I'm going to try amd video this time, as I'm told they work better with open software.

Another.

Do you what is optimus hardware? A nice idea. Laptops with this can use the low power battery loving Intel video, but when the application needs more power it switches automatically to the Nvidia chip. Nice, right? Well, it is a pain in the ass (ask Daniel). Well, after so many years, they have now created the support for it in the NVidia proprietary driver.

but only applied to particular laptops, not all and now there is support. for many years one had to pay particular attention to components to assure they purchased equipment that was supported. not nearly so much any more.

...

Not very Linux loving, are they?

so they step up and supply something needed and get chastised for it? that's not your brain talking, Carlso.

But it is. Ask Linus Torvalds.

you need to examine facts rather than biased feelings and rantings. I might as well ask my wife (and she has absolutely no idea what the game of poker is, even the rank of cards.).

You say that Linus doesn't base what he says on facts? Ask almost any kernel developer instead. Several have spoken here against NVidia.

I do examine facts: My nvidia card is not fully supported by Nvidia. It is a fact.

http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1132952

-- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

I had Nvidia. Now I have AMD. I have a notebook with Intel. Fact: Nvidia, after having had a reasonable support through proprietary drivers, now does one thing in Linux: it SUCKS! AMD: since the OSS drivers are catching up with the proprietary ones and AMD decided to play along, the problems are nearly absent now. I have AMD on all my supported machines. No problem so far. You "might" need a dedicated Graphics card if you are doing high load videoprocessing or statistical and econometric modeling with mathlab, R or STATA (were STATA is more CPU driven), given CUDA. If not and if you are not a bitcoin miner: stick to AMD or Intel and let Nvidia fade away. Just take a main-board with graphics support. Suffices largely IMO. I am a bit puzzled over the argument. Nvidia is known to violently stick to closed source and even is going against OSS initiatives with inertia, denial of specs etc..... _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Ihre E-Mail-Postfächer sicher & zentral an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und alte E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://www.eclipso.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 02/01/2020 à 15:05, stakanov a écrit :

I am a bit puzzled over the argument. Nvidia is known to violently stick to closed source and even is going against OSS initiatives with inertia, denial of specs etc.....

well... there is a nvida repo in yast jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/01/2020 15.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

Le 02/01/2020 à 15:05, stakanov a écrit :

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I am a bit puzzled over the argument. Nvidia is known to violently stick to closed source and even is going against OSS initiatives with inertia, denial of specs etc.....

well... there is a nvida repo in yast

Yes, but it uses tricks to allow publishing, because it is closed source. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

* Carlos E. R. [01-02-20 09:51]:

On 02/01/2020 15.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 02/01/2020 à 15:05, stakanov a écrit :

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I am a bit puzzled over the argument. Nvidia is known to violently stick to closed source and even is going against OSS initiatives with inertia, denial of specs etc.....

well... there is a nvida repo in yast

Yes, but it uses tricks to allow publishing, because it is closed source.

and for a very long time there has been "the hard way" which does not use "tricks". just say you prefer amd and be done with it rather than searching for obtuse reasons to paint nvidia black. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, Am 02.01.20 um 16:02 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

just say you prefer amd and be done with it rather than searching for

i prefer amd ;-) graphic: about 8 desktop pc's never have had any problem with amd graphic, "never" not never, but since about 5? years only use standard opensuse installation with opensource drivers out of the box never have had a tumbleweed update since 2 years problems with graphic (as i remember) mh, no, i now remember there was something. have to delete one installed rpm, then all was fine again. - one tumbleweed laptop with nvidia graphic (samsung) using opensource driver, one black screen after update tumbleweed in last 2 years, do not remember how i have fixed it. some problems with the resolution when i installed linux on it too. (3200x?????) its to small for a laptop-touchscreen, so i have to edit manual the x configuration to show me a "normal" resolution (full hd). (but i think this is not related to the graphic card amd/nvidia) processor: amd since a long loooong time, reasons: price/speed have had huge stability problems with ryzen at beginning, (start to think it was a bad idea to buy amd+ryzen) changing some processors twice with amd, and waiting for bios updates for the mainboard. but since then, everything rock stable and running fine, as all my other older amd processors also. (now thinking i will never buy a brand new designed processor. not amd not intel.) i have followed the problems a little bit at bugzilla.kernel.org it seems that this problems now gone. ... the one and only laptop i am responsible for, has an intel processor, never have had problems with this intel mainprocessor.

obtuse reasons to paint nvidia black.

no, "but" if you follow the mailinglists opensuse@opensuse.org + opensuse-support@opensuse.org + opensuse-factory@opensuse.org and if you count how many people ask for help or report problems for nvidia, or for amd, there is much more nvidia there. could be there are nearly no people there who have amd graphics, OR nvidia makes more problems. simoN -- www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 02/01/2020 à 18:01, Felix Miata a écrit :

I still don't understand your usage of the term "too large" in the X contexts in which I've seen you use it. 1366x768 on a 15.6" screen is 100.4 DPI. That's very close to most software's assumption that DPI is 96. A physical 100.4 DPI under the nearly universal 96 DPI assumption produces objects slightly smaller than designers intention. How does "too large" relate to your desire for a 1366x768 screen to scale to "full HD" (1920x1080)?

not a dpi problem, but a content problem. Most modern PC now is full HD, so many software wants it to display correctly. With "hd" (1366x768), some windows get buttons out of the screen, windows surrounding is too large for they lack of usefulness... I use every day a full HD (1980x1080) image on my screen (full screen). I could have avoided this if it was possible to scale the kde windows to smaller footprint, but it's not possible. One can make things bigger but not smaller... jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/2020 20.07, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

On 1/2/20 6:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 02/01/2020 15.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 02/01/2020 à 15:05, stakanov a écrit :

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I am a bit puzzled over the argument. Nvidia is known to violently stick to closed source and even is going against OSS initiatives with inertia, denial of specs etc.....

well... there is a nvida repo in yast Yes, but it uses tricks to allow publishing, because it is closed source.

While I understand your dislike on principle, closed-source video drivers never caused me any heartburn.

But they are burning me now. I posted the bugzilla. Unsolvable.

Are Radeon drivers open-source?

My caution regarding AMD started a long time ago when the Matrox Millennium II was the preferred card for SuSE. IIRC Matrox and SuSE worked together on drivers. For reasons I don't recall, we moved away from Matrox and tried both AMD and nVidia. The drivers for AMD were rather crude at that time (late 1990's) and we settled on Nvidia.

I don't have direct and recent experience with AMD video hardware, but I'm told that they work together with Linux people, that they are rather open, and that things just work. But as I say, I have no personal experience. But given that NVidia gives me trouble, now, I want to try. I do remember that people commented on AMD troubles years ago. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXg5S+QAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1TwGAJ0T629U99L7pbBo7Rj2BP/7Ubj7+QCglQ1bvD8J3O5evaCBZ6J+bmclTC4= =BOxx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/2020 22.53, Lew Wolfgang wrote: | On 1/2/20 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: |>> While I understand your dislike on principle, closed-source |>> video drivers never caused me any heartburn. |> But they are burning me now. I posted the bugzilla. Unsolvable. |> | | But you are using very old hardware. Maybe 12-years old? As old as the computer. I bought it Oct 2009. I don't buy a new computer just because it is old. I expect a good computer to last 10 years or more. And it does - except the closed source component parts. VMware is another one that doesn't work. | How much would a comparable modern replacement cost? Oh, I'm buying it. I already have the CPU (Ryzen 5 3600X), motherboard (MSI X470), and PSU (Corsair HX 750, Modular), bought on Black Friday. The 64G RAM modules have disappeared from the shop, but besides that I'm waiting for the sales after Three Wise Men festivity next week to complete. | | So is it unsolvable because Stefan doesn't want to provide G03 for | Leap |> =15? | Is this an openSUSE community refusal to support obsolete hardware, | or is it an nVidia problem? AFAIK NVidia problem, in that I have to use version 340.107, legacy, since several years ago. It is not G03 the issue, but libOpenCL1. The old driver does not support libglvnd. | | Did you try to install the nVidia tarball directly and not use | YaST? They have 340.1080 dated Dec 23 2019 which supports your | GeForce 9500 GT card. AFAIK, not fully. I'm done with Nvidia and waiting to complete the building of my new desktop machine. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXg5segAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1V8NAJ9sGNiKzduSSlW8Yx2Mjdrs+Mur8QCfSMvJv7+4/Ykx91YFBUV+erSW7lk= =WAHP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/01/2020 06:55 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel CPUs

Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance? 

I'm with Lew here. I've had zero Nvidia issues for more than a decade. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/2020 08.06, David C. Rankin wrote: | On 01/01/2020 06:55 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote: |> On 12/31/2019 11:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: |>> I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, but I'm waiting for the |>> RAM. So, still untested. I'm trying to avoid NVidia and Intel |>> CPUs |> |> Carlos, why the Nvidia avoidance? | | I'm with Lew here. I've had zero Nvidia issues for more than a | decade. | But I do have issues now... :-( I can not play flight simulator. Maybe other high perfomance games or tools I don't use are affected. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXg76JQAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1fDRAJ9DDlMaTPinEBfyW4d1FJIlAYwSpQCfU+8tpzzK4CQflVCowGlgQNU/9iI= =4Xjg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/2020 15.21, ken wrote: |> On 02/01/2020 13.55, jdd@dodin.org wrote: |>> Le 02/01/2020 à 13:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit : ... |> Ok. I know the feature, but I never used it. I tried it, then |> went away, so I will not miss it if it doesn't work. Drove me |> nuts, the screen moving when the mouse reached the edge. | | Carlos, it was configurable whether the screen contents moved when | the mouse pointer touched the edge of the screen. I know, because | it bothered me too, so I changed the configuration so it didn't do | that anymore. Oh, I did not know. How did you move it again when needed? The window you need may be at one end, so you fixate the view there. Then you need to go to the desktop menu at another end, so the view has to change. I suppose it would be a keyboard shortcut. But this feature changed the screen resolution. There may be another feature that keeps the resolution but zooms in or out on the region of the screen. Maybe an accessibility feature. Or are you talking of having a bigger "virtual" screen, but keeping the resolution constant? Me, I use workspaces instead, put each application I need on one (on the laptop, that has a small screen). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXhDXlAAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1Y3bAJ0XW9INAXYV0fhtclTrClregiekfACeKvNVsurvDDkMG85/W3bdEbnxLqs= =i2cy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

In data giovedì 2 gennaio 2020 20:07:20 CET, Lew Wolfgang ha scritto:

On 1/2/20 6:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 02/01/2020 15.28, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 02/01/2020 à 15:05, stakanov a écrit :

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I am a bit puzzled over the argument. Nvidia is known to violently stick to closed source and even is going against OSS initiatives with inertia, denial of specs etc.....

well... there is a nvida repo in yast

Yes, but it uses tricks to allow publishing, because it is closed source.

While I understand your dislike on principle, closed-source video drivers never caused me any heartburn. Are Radeon drivers open-source?

My caution regarding AMD started a long time ago when the Matrox Millennium II was the preferred card for SuSE. IIRC Matrox and SuSE worked together on drivers. For reasons I don't recall, we moved away from Matrox and tried both AMD and nVidia. The drivers for AMD were rather crude at that time (late 1990's) and we settled on Nvidia.

More recent experience was with a Radeon Pro WX7100 board, with four DP outputs. We had real problems with it and replaced it with a nVidia GP106GL [Quadro P2000]. IIRC the user was having issues with Virtualbox and/or VMware, which has been solid as a rock using the Yast-provided nVidia repository.

Regards, Lew

Which is a very common hardware demands for the average user? https://gpuopen.com/gaming-product/amd-open-source-driver-for-vulkan/ gives you an idea on ongoing efforts. The question about your hardware choice is then obvious. The nvidia exchange you did choose has a) an equivalent point of life cycle (that is, was the AMD model brand new and the Nvidia not? b) was the Nvidia offering the same hardware features? I had a quick look, but it does seem the cards are offering different setups. If someone has to buy a new card it is fairly easy to take a choice were OSS support of graphics is no witch-work and works out of the box. And that is AMD. Vmware is AFAIK not OSS either. Vmware does build on OSS..with blobs? Am I wrong then please correct me. Me myself I am using KVM mainly without bigger issues, but I do not have to set up clouds or servers. All boils down IMO to the informed choice when buying hardware. CSS is always giving me headaches when it comes to industrial secrets and "trust". There is naturally also a reason to favor who is collaborating with the development cycle of the OS you use to do your living and not actively obstructing any collaboration. YMMV _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Ihre E-Mail-Postfächer sicher & zentral an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und alte E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://www.eclipso.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 22:53:58 CET schrieb Lew Wolfgang:

On 1/2/20 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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While I understand your dislike on principle, closed-source video drivers never caused me any heartburn.

But they are burning me now. I posted the bugzilla. Unsolvable.

But you are using very old hardware. Maybe 12-years old? How much would a comparable modern replacement cost?

So is it unsolvable because Stefan doesn't want to provide G03 for Leap

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=15? Is this an openSUSE community refusal to support obsolete hardware, or is it an nVidia problem?

Come on, G03, G04, and G05, it's all there: https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/leap/15.0/x86_64/ https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/leap/15.1/x86_64/ https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/x86_64/ Stefan is very supportive, and usually applies/accept fixes (e.g for Kernel:stable) within hours. Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag, 7. Januar 2020, 13:41:49 CET schrieb Carlos E. R.:

On 07/01/2020 13.11, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote: | Am Donnerstag, 2. Januar 2020, 22:53:58 CET schrieb Lew Wolfgang: |> On 1/2/20 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: |>>> While I understand your dislike on principle, closed-source |>>> video drivers never caused me any heartburn. |>> |>> But they are burning me now. I posted the bugzilla. |>> Unsolvable. |> |> But you are using very old hardware. Maybe 12-years old? How |> much would a comparable modern replacement cost? |> |> So is it unsolvable because Stefan doesn't want to provide G03 |> for Leap |> |>> =15? Is this an openSUSE community refusal to support obsolete |>> hardware, |> |> or is it an nVidia problem? | | Come on, G03, G04, and G05, it's all there: Just read the bug. The G03 rpm is incompatible with Flightgear. I do not understand the exact reason, but apparently the driver doesn't support libglvnd, and that has consequences.

And that forces me to buy new hardware.

| https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/leap/15.0/x86_64/ | https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/leap/15.1/x86_64/ | https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/tumbleweed/x86_64/ | | Stefan is very supportive, and usually applies/accept fixes (e.g | for Kernel:stable) within hours.

I'm not blaming Stefan. Just read what he said.

Sorry for missing that and the unpleasant result. Cheers, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org