Hello :-) looks than since some days the Thunderbird spam filter do not works as before. usually the anti spam system moves mails to the "not wanted" ("Indésirables" in french) folder, mark then as spam (small flame) then as read. now the spam are still moved to the spam/not wanted folder, but here are not flagged/tagged as spam and are still tagged unread. It's not a bad idea to have then set "unread", because this allows quick review (and sometime allows fixing), it also allow marking allowed/not allowed to make filter better, but anyway it's curious do you notice the same thing? thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 11:55, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Hello :-)
looks than since some days the Thunderbird spam filter do not works as before.
usually the anti spam system moves mails to the "not wanted" ("Indésirables" in french) folder, mark then as spam (small flame) then as read.
now the spam are still moved to the spam/not wanted folder, but here are not flagged/tagged as spam and are still tagged unread.
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 06/06/17 12:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-06 11:55, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Hello :-)
looks than since some days the Thunderbird spam filter do not works as before.
usually the anti spam system moves mails to the "not wanted" ("Indésirables" in french) folder, mark then as spam (small flame) then as read.
now the spam are still moved to the spam/not wanted folder, but here are not flagged/tagged as spam and are still tagged unread.
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
Yep. I find spam filters you can't configure an absolute pain in the neck. Yahoo has a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT error rate :-( All my ham ends up in the spam bin, and the only stuff left in my inbox is the spam ... And actually, I would like to classify some spam in TB based on the *contents* of the email. It seems like you can't tell TB *how* to recognise spam, and you can't filter based on the *content* of the mail :-( Spam filters are almost as much a pain as the spam ... :-) Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 14:24, Wols Lists wrote:
On 06/06/17 12:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And actually, I would like to classify some spam in TB based on the *contents* of the email. It seems like you can't tell TB *how* to recognise spam, and you can't filter based on the *content* of the mail :-(
Yes, you can. Thunderbird learns when you tag something as spam or not.
Spam filters are almost as much a pain as the spam ... :-)
Yes, they can be. Fortunately, I get very little spam lately. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))
On 06/06/17 14:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And actually, I would like to classify some spam in TB based on the
*contents* of the email. It seems like you can't tell TB *how* to recognise spam, and you can't filter based on the *content* of the mail :-( Yes, you can. Thunderbird learns when you tag something as spam or not.
Thunderbird *learns*. Which means, in other words, that I cannot *tell* it. "Dear David" is spam. Why can I not tell thunderbird to put it in the spam bin!!! Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 19:18, Wols Lists wrote:
On 06/06/17 14:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And actually, I would like to classify some spam in TB based on the
*contents* of the email. It seems like you can't tell TB *how* to recognise spam, and you can't filter based on the *content* of the mail :-( Yes, you can. Thunderbird learns when you tag something as spam or not.
Thunderbird *learns*.
Which means, in other words, that I cannot *tell* it.
"Dear David" is spam. Why can I not tell thunderbird to put it in the spam bin!!!
The act of marking a post as spam with the spam flag in Thunderbird tells the program to learn about that post. So yes, you tell it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))
On 06/06/17 18:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-06 19:18, Wols Lists wrote:
On 06/06/17 14:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And actually, I would like to classify some spam in TB based on the
*contents* of the email. It seems like you can't tell TB *how* to recognise spam, and you can't filter based on the *content* of the mail :-( Yes, you can. Thunderbird learns when you tag something as spam or not.
Thunderbird *learns*.
Which means, in other words, that I cannot *tell* it.
"Dear David" is spam. Why can I not tell thunderbird to put it in the spam bin!!!
The act of marking a post as spam with the spam flag in Thunderbird tells the program to learn about that post. So yes, you tell it.
So how does it know that the string "Dear David" means it is spam? The point is, if *I KNOW* that something is a clear marker of spam, there is no way I can *TELL* thunderbird about it! All I can do is tell thunderbird "this is spam". There is *no way* that I can tell thunderbird *WHY* it is spam. Which means, because all these messages otherwise look legitimate, thunderbird is likely to get confused. "Dear" is perfectly okay, and I have quite a lot of people I know called "David". It's just the combination of those two words TOGETHER in what is otherwise a perfectly normal, legitimate email, that marks it as spam. How do I *TELL* thunderbird how to *recognise* spam, rather than letting it GUESS? Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 06/06/2017 à 20:44, Anthony Youngman a écrit :
All I can do is tell thunderbird "this is spam". There is *no way* that I can tell thunderbird *WHY* it is spam.
why don't you use filters? jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/17 19:49, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 06/06/2017 à 20:44, Anthony Youngman a écrit :
All I can do is tell thunderbird "this is spam". There is *no way* that I can tell thunderbird *WHY* it is spam.
why don't you use filters?
Because, last I looked, filters work on the envelope, not the message content. I would love to be proved wrong but I agree, that is the obvious solution (and I have a filter - "subject contains David") but unfortunately that only catches a few. Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 20:44, Anthony Youngman wrote:
On 06/06/17 18:20, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-06 19:18, Wols Lists wrote:
On 06/06/17 14:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And actually, I would like to classify some spam in TB based on the
*contents* of the email. It seems like you can't tell TB *how* to recognise spam, and you can't filter based on the *content* of the mail :-( Yes, you can. Thunderbird learns when you tag something as spam or not.
Thunderbird *learns*.
Which means, in other words, that I cannot *tell* it.
"Dear David" is spam. Why can I not tell thunderbird to put it in the spam bin!!!
The act of marking a post as spam with the spam flag in Thunderbird tells the program to learn about that post. So yes, you tell it.
So how does it know that the string "Dear David" means it is spam? The point is, if *I KNOW* that something is a clear marker of spam, there is no way I can *TELL* thunderbird about it!
All I can do is tell thunderbird "this is spam". There is *no way* that I can tell thunderbird *WHY* it is spam.
Ok, you can't, but it is the way most antispam filters work. I think it is called a bayessian filter, and after some training it becomes very effective. If you tag five emails and the five contain "Dear David", it will learn to consider that text as a clue. If you want to tag on a specific text in email you need to use a scoring filter such as spamassassin and add your own rules. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 06/06/2017 à 13:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
most certainly not. I have no isp spam filter that I know of and didn't change last week. thunderbird spam filter works a bit like spamassassin, whit the change that you can teach it every day. Rigth now it works pretty well, the change I speak of is cosmetic. I have up tp 1000 spam a day, 90% sorted by th my only problem is when I'm not at home, when my th is not running, my phone don't have th jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> [06-06-17 08:52]:
Le 06/06/2017 à 13:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
most certainly not. I have no isp spam filter that I know of and didn't change last week.
thunderbird spam filter works a bit like spamassassin, whit the change that you can teach it every day. Rigth now it works pretty well, the change I speak of is cosmetic.
your spamassassin works different than mine. I train mine every day :) yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 06/06/2017 à 15:16, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
* jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> [06-06-17 08:52]:
Le 06/06/2017 à 13:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
most certainly not. I have no isp spam filter that I know of and didn't change last week.
may be my ISP changed something... yes he did... bouhhh they did this without notice. But they answered instantly to my query mail
your spamassassin works different than mine. I train mine every day :)
I will have to send them bad routed files for them to fix they spam filter arg thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/2017 08:16 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> [06-06-17 08:52]:
Le 06/06/2017 à 13:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
most certainly not. I have no isp spam filter that I know of and didn't change last week.
thunderbird spam filter works a bit like spamassassin, whit the change that you can teach it every day. Rigth now it works pretty well, the change I speak of is cosmetic. your spamassassin works different than mine. I train mine every day :)
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better
Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it. -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better
Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there. Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [06-06-17 17:19]:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better
Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
yeah, same here. If you find out how to turn it off, let me know, PLEASE. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/2017 04:17 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-)
Just like Thunderbird you have to teach it what you think is spam. I took the time to do it and on average only one or two spam messages get through to my computer a month. So, it does work if you work with it. -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [06-06-17 17:50]:
On 06/06/2017 04:17 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-)
Just like Thunderbird you have to teach it what you think is spam.
I took the time to do it and on average only one or two spam messages get through to my computer a month. So, it does work if you work with it.
only I download my email, fetchmail, and read locally. I do not want to *mess* with yahoo's broken spam filter at all. I *only* access it with a web client in order to un-spam most of what yahoo decides for me. and only use yahoo mail because at&t does. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [06-06-17 17:50]:
On 06/06/2017 04:17 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-) Just like Thunderbird you have to teach it what you think is spam.
I took the time to do it and on average only one or two spam messages get through to my computer a month. So, it does work if you work with it. only I download my email, fetchmail, and read locally. I do not want to *mess* with yahoo's broken spam filter at all. I *only* access it with a web client in order to un-spam most of what yahoo decides for me. and only use yahoo mail because at&t does.
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own. What I see is that you want it to work without putting in the time to make it work. It doesn't happen that way. -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/2017 06:55 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own.
What I see is that you want it to work without putting in the time to make it work. It doesn't happen that way.
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Why can't I just disable Yahoo's spam filter? I don't like using a browser to access my email and shouldn't have to, to train Yahoo to do what my email software already does well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [06-06-17 18:57]: [...]
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own.
What I see is that you want it to work without putting in the time to make it work. It doesn't happen that way.
no, currently I must go to the web browser and continually change the spam marking to non-spam, ie the inbox, then fetchmail downloads for me. I continually correct yahoo's spam filter but it does not learn. and I have no choice but to correct yahoo's labeling or not receive the mail. the trouble is not the time I spend, but that I must continue to spend the time. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-07 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [06-06-17 18:57]: [...]
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own.
What I see is that you want it to work without putting in the time to make it work. It doesn't happen that way.
no, currently I must go to the web browser and continually change the spam marking to non-spam, ie the inbox, then fetchmail downloads for me. I continually correct yahoo's spam filter but it does not learn.
and I have no choice but to correct yahoo's labeling or not receive the mail. the trouble is not the time I spend, but that I must continue to spend the time.
Why not download directly from the spam folder instead? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2017-06-07 at 01:55 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-07 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
no, currently I must go to the web browser and continually change the spam marking to non-spam, ie the inbox, then fetchmail downloads for me. I continually correct yahoo's spam filter but it does not learn.
and I have no choice but to correct yahoo's labeling or not receive the mail. the trouble is not the time I spend, but that I must continue to spend the time.
Why not download directly from the spam folder instead?
Fetchmail example: poll SERVER with proto imap timeout 20, and tracepolls user USERNAME, with password PASSWORD, is LOCALUSER here, and fetchall, expunge 20, folders Inbox, Spam, Junk I simply tell it to download all email including Spam and Junk folders, complete. On Imap. I don't care what my ISP says it is. Actually, I give them a bit of an score for my spamassassin. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlk3XzIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WxHwCdGqcyLHeD0pyJqUMxgQC0WjdL 3T4AmwQ2Eg3uNcEFmIunccyczj3yLynz =QzqH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-06-17 22:05]:
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On Wednesday, 2017-06-07 at 01:55 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-07 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
no, currently I must go to the web browser and continually change the spam marking to non-spam, ie the inbox, then fetchmail downloads for me. I continually correct yahoo's spam filter but it does not learn.
and I have no choice but to correct yahoo's labeling or not receive the mail. the trouble is not the time I spend, but that I must continue to spend the time.
Why not download directly from the spam folder instead?
Fetchmail example:
poll SERVER with proto imap timeout 20, and tracepolls user USERNAME, with password PASSWORD, is LOCALUSER here, and fetchall, expunge 20, folders Inbox, Spam, Junk
I simply tell it to download all email including Spam and Junk folders, complete. On Imap. I don't care what my ISP says it is.
ok, have imap working for att.net, ne: yahoo, and added to fetchmailrc, folders Inbox, Spam and Inbox works, but: fetchmail: 2 messages for ptilopteri@att.net at imap.mail.att.net (folder Inbox). fetchmail: reading message ptilopteri@att.net@imap.mail.att.am0.yahoodns.net:1 of 2 (4365 header octets) (229 body octets) flushed fetchmail: reading message ptilopteri@att.net@imap.mail.att.am0.yahoodns.net:2 of 2 (5343 header octets) (7940 body octets) flushed fetchmail: mailbox selection failed fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while fetching from ptilopteri@att.net@imap.mail.att.net fetchmail: Query status=7 (ERROR) I assume the last fetchmail log line refers to "Spam" folder. The Spam folder is empty so I don't know that it doesn't work, only that it throws an error msg. it may be that the server folder name for Spam is incorrect but ??? I cannot find any reference for a name other than Spam -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [06-07-17 00:11]:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-06-17 22:05]: [...]
Why not download directly from the spam folder instead?
Fetchmail example:
poll SERVER with proto imap timeout 20, and tracepolls user USERNAME, with password PASSWORD, is LOCALUSER here, and fetchall, expunge 20, folders Inbox, Spam, Junk
I simply tell it to download all email including Spam and Junk folders, complete. On Imap. I don't care what my ISP says it is.
ok, have imap working for att.net, ne: yahoo, and added to fetchmailrc, folders Inbox, Spam
and Inbox works, but:
fetchmail: 2 messages for ptilopteri@att.net at imap.mail.att.net (folder Inbox). fetchmail: reading message ptilopteri@att.net@imap.mail.att.am0.yahoodns.net:1 of 2 (4365 header octets) (229 body octets) flushed fetchmail: reading message ptilopteri@att.net@imap.mail.att.am0.yahoodns.net:2 of 2 (5343 header octets) (7940 body octets) flushed fetchmail: mailbox selection failed fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while fetching from ptilopteri@att.net@imap.mail.att.net fetchmail: Query status=7 (ERROR)
I assume the last fetchmail log line refers to "Spam" folder. The Spam folder is empty so I don't know that it doesn't work, only that it throws an error msg.
it may be that the server folder name for Spam is incorrect but ??? I cannot find any reference for a name other than Spam
fetchmail -vv indeed "Spam" is incorrect as is: SPAM Inbox.Spam anyone with an idea what the proper name is? tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-07 06:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Patrick Shanahan <> [06-07-17 00:11]:
it may be that the server folder name for Spam is incorrect but ??? I cannot find any reference for a name other than Spam
fetchmail -vv
indeed "Spam" is incorrect as is: SPAM Inbox.Spam
anyone with an idea what the proper name is?
I got the proper name for my case from Thunderbird. I use "Spam" and "Junk". I don't know this moment if there is a command to make fetchmail list all the folder names, but I don't see such an entry in my log. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 07/06/17 05:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-07 06:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Patrick Shanahan <> [06-07-17 00:11]:
it may be that the server folder name for Spam is incorrect but ??? I cannot find any reference for a name other than Spam
fetchmail -vv
indeed "Spam" is incorrect as is: SPAM Inbox.Spam
anyone with an idea what the proper name is?
I got the proper name for my case from Thunderbird. I use "Spam" and "Junk". I don't know this moment if there is a command to make fetchmail list all the folder names, but I don't see such an entry in my log.
I think there may also be "Bulk Mail". My work-around is to have my yahoo account known to thunderbird. Then I select their junk folder, and manually run the inbox rule that moves all mail to a local folder. It's just struck me - maybe I can make that rule strip off the "junk" status. Hopefully it works better than trying to strip off the "read" status :-( (I cannot get thunderbird to both forward a message, and leave the "unread" status untouched. If it forwards it, it marks it read, and then I don't notice it :-( Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [06-06-17 19:57]:
On 2017-06-07 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [06-06-17 18:57]: [...]
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own.
What I see is that you want it to work without putting in the time to make it work. It doesn't happen that way.
no, currently I must go to the web browser and continually change the spam marking to non-spam, ie the inbox, then fetchmail downloads for me. I continually correct yahoo's spam filter but it does not learn.
and I have no choice but to correct yahoo's labeling or not receive the mail. the trouble is not the time I spend, but that I must continue to spend the time.
Why not download directly from the spam folder instead?
am attempting now, was configured pop as could not get imap to work with att.yahoo.com but got it to work now. will have to wait for yahoo to decide a mail is spam to see it the "folder" option in fetchmail works or if I have the correct name for the spam folder in yahoo. tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 07/06/2017 à 00:55, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own.
you simply move the mail from a box to the other, or do you have some way to say it's/it's not spam? thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/07/2017 01:34 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 07/06/2017 à 00:55, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I download my mail also. The way you teach Yahoo what isand what isn't is to not download continuously for a short time. Go to Yahoo webmail and choose what you want to see in your Thunderbird inbox and what you don't. In a short time Yahoo starts sorting it on it's own.
you simply move the mail from a box to the other, or do you have some way to say it's/it's not spam?
thanks jdd
On the webmail there are "buttons". A box, some various arrows, Archive, Move, Delete, Spam and More. Down the left side of of the listing there are box's. Check th abox next to any e-mail you consider spam and click on the Spam button at the top. I don't know by what criteria Yahoo remembers you think that it is spam but soon it starts putting it in your online spam folder. -- "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes-and ships-and sealing-wax- Of cabbages-and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot- And whether pigs have wings." Lewis Carroll _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 07/06/2017 à 12:53, Billie Walsh a écrit :
On the webmail there are "buttons". A box, some various arrows, Archive, Move, Delete, Spam and More. Down the left side of of the listing there are box's. Check th abox next to any e-mail you consider spam and click on the Spam button at the top.
ah, ok. my ISP don't have this yet thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-07 12:53, Billie Walsh wrote:
I don't know by what criteria Yahoo remembers you think that it is spam but soon it starts putting it in your online spam folder.
Probably using a similar technique to what spamassassin does with its bayesian filter, but hopefully, more cpu efficient. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 06/07/2017 02:34 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
you simply move the mail from a box to the other, or do you have some way to say it's/it's not spam?
Right click and select not spam. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/06/17 22:47, Billie Walsh wrote:
On 06/06/2017 04:17 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-)
Just like Thunderbird you have to teach it what you think is spam.
I took the time to do it and on average only one or two spam messages get through to my computer a month. So, it does work if you work with it.
THATS NOT MY EXPERIENCE!!! I tell it something's not spam, and five seconds later it's got the spam flag set again! Or do you mean I have to log in to yahoo, and fight their email interface, and generally do all those things I don't have a clue how to do because I use thunderbird precisely so I don't *need* to use that abhomination called web mail! At the end of the day, as far as I'm concerned, Yahoo gets it exactly arse about face and I *DON'T WANT* their spam filter switched on - the only spam that account gets comes from a yahoo corporate account anyway! JUST TELL ME HOW TO SWITCH THE DAMN THING OFF! Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 23:17, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better
Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-)
Do they have imap? If they do, you can move mail from one folder to another, out of the spam folder. I use that trick with gmail. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 06/06/2017 05:47 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-) Do they have imap?
If they do, you can move mail from one folder to another, out of the spam folder. I use that trick with gmail.
Yes, I do use IMAP. However, moving it out is not a problem. The filters that can move the mail only run automatically on the Inbox, not the "Bulk mail" folder. Funny thing, it's called Bulk mail in my email app, but Spam when using a browser. That Bulk mail folder appeared about the same time as their forcing their spam filter on me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 23:57, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:47 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-) Do they have imap?
If they do, you can move mail from one folder to another, out of the spam folder. I use that trick with gmail.
Yes, I do use IMAP. However, moving it out is not a problem. The filters that can move the mail only run automatically on the Inbox, not the "Bulk mail" folder. Funny thing, it's called Bulk mail in my email app, but Spam when using a browser. That Bulk mail folder appeared about the same time as their forcing their spam filter on me.
Well, just try move the email back from "Bulk" to "Inbox". It should be able to do it as an internal IMAP operation, I think. If it does that, it should be enough to tag their filter as "not spam". My solution is that I tell fetchmail to download even from the Spam folder. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 06/06/2017 06:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-06 23:57, James Knott wrote:
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-) Do they have imap?
If they do, you can move mail from one folder to another, out of the spam folder. I use that trick with gmail. Yes, I do use IMAP. However, moving it out is not a problem. The filters that can move the mail only run automatically on the Inbox, not
On 06/06/2017 05:47 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: the "Bulk mail" folder. Funny thing, it's called Bulk mail in my email app, but Spam when using a browser. That Bulk mail folder appeared about the same time as their forcing their spam filter on me. Well, just try move the email back from "Bulk" to "Inbox". It should be able to do it as an internal IMAP operation, I think. If it does that, it should be enough to tag their filter as "not spam".
My solution is that I tell fetchmail to download even from the Spam folder.
I used to run Fetchmail when I had my own IMAP server, but no longer do. In the past, all I had to do on Yahoo was create a filter that put any message that contained "@" in the address in my In box. That no longer works and I can't see any way around it. I believe native Yahoo email supports turning off spam filters, but not the customized version my ISP provides. Also, I believe they're deprecating POP, so I don't think Fetchmail will work much longer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-07 00:12, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 06:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My solution is that I tell fetchmail to download even from the Spam folder.
I used to run Fetchmail when I had my own IMAP server, but no longer do. In the past, all I had to do on Yahoo was create a filter that put any message that contained "@" in the address in my In box. That no longer works and I can't see any way around it. I believe native Yahoo email supports turning off spam filters, but not the customized version my ISP provides. Also, I believe they're deprecating POP, so I don't think Fetchmail will work much longer.
fetchmail supports imap just fine. Always did. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 06/06/2017 06:43 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-07 00:12, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 06:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My solution is that I tell fetchmail to download even from the Spam folder.
I used to run Fetchmail when I had my own IMAP server, but no longer do. In the past, all I had to do on Yahoo was create a filter that put any message that contained "@" in the address in my In box. That no longer works and I can't see any way around it. I believe native Yahoo email supports turning off spam filters, but not the customized version my ISP provides. Also, I believe they're deprecating POP, so I don't think Fetchmail will work much longer. fetchmail supports imap just fine. Always did.
Will it also delete downloaded email from the server? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [06-06-17 19:10]:
On 06/06/2017 06:43 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-07 00:12, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 06:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My solution is that I tell fetchmail to download even from the Spam folder.
I used to run Fetchmail when I had my own IMAP server, but no longer do. In the past, all I had to do on Yahoo was create a filter that put any message that contained "@" in the address in my In box. That no longer works and I can't see any way around it. I believe native Yahoo email supports turning off spam filters, but not the customized version my ISP provides. Also, I believe they're deprecating POP, so I don't think Fetchmail will work much longer. fetchmail supports imap just fine. Always did.
Will it also delete downloaded email from the server?
yes -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-07 01:10, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 06:43 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-07 00:12, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 06:01 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
My solution is that I tell fetchmail to download even from the Spam folder.
I used to run Fetchmail when I had my own IMAP server, but no longer do. In the past, all I had to do on Yahoo was create a filter that put any message that contained "@" in the address in my In box. That no longer works and I can't see any way around it. I believe native Yahoo email supports turning off spam filters, but not the customized version my ISP provides. Also, I believe they're deprecating POP, so I don't think Fetchmail will work much longer. fetchmail supports imap just fine. Always did.
Will it also delete downloaded email from the server?
Of course. By default it does. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 06/06/17 22:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-06-06 23:17, James Knott wrote:
On 06/06/2017 05:01 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better
Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
My ISP also relies on Yahoo for email and I find it's worse that a decent email app. Previously, I was able to disable their spam filter, but for the past few months I can't. It often puts my email into the "Bulk mail" folder, including posts from this list. What's worse, I can't use my email app to mark it not spam. I have to use a browser to connect to the mail server and mark it there.
Buncha Yahoos!!! ;-)
Do they have imap?
If they do, you can move mail from one folder to another, out of the spam folder. I use that trick with gmail.
In my experience, if you move it from one yahoo folder to another, yahoo move it straight back!!! The only way to prevent that is to move it to another email account completely. Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 07/06/2017 à 17:14, Wols Lists a écrit :
In my experience, if you move it from one yahoo folder to another, yahoo move it straight back!!! The only way to prevent that is to move it to another email account completely.
it's more and more difficult to have account without anti-spam. I had one but they just add anti-spam (unwanted). may be have his own server as I did for years, but it's work I would better don't have to do :-( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/07/2017 11:14 AM, Wols Lists wrote:
In my experience, if you move it from one yahoo folder to another, yahoo move it straight back!!! The only way to prevent that is to move it to another email account completely.
Mine to. Before, if a valid message was in the spam folder, I could mark it as not spam and it would be moved to my inbox. Now, shortly after it moves to my inbox, Yahoo decides it's spam again and moves it back to the bulk mail folder. And despite many time marking the mail not spam, using a browser on the web mail site, I still find messages from this list are marked as spam. I don't have a problem with Yahoo providing this "feature", but I have a real problem with them not letting me turn the @#$@#!@$ thing off! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> [06-06-17 17:03]:
On 06/06/2017 08:16 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> [06-06-17 08:52]:
Le 06/06/2017 à 13:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
most certainly not. I have no isp spam filter that I know of and didn't change last week.
thunderbird spam filter works a bit like spamassassin, whit the change that you can teach it every day. Rigth now it works pretty well, the change I speak of is cosmetic. your spamassassin works different than mine. I train mine every day :)
yahoo mail sucks big time, and their spam filtering is terrible gmail spam filtering is *very* good my local spamassassin is better
Yahoo spam filter is awesome if you take the time to work with it.
*you* don't work with it on at&t, you get what they decide you need, kind of like using m$ products. on opensuse mail lists, 90% of what yahoo defines spam is ?good? list mail. I would prefer using my local spamassassin *only* rather than depending on yahoo's mis-steps, mistakes. but there is no way to "turn it off". yahooo is sold to verizon, wonder how at&t email is going to work then? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-06-06 14:51, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 06/06/2017 à 13:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Then that move is done by the ISP, not Thunderbird.
most certainly not. I have no isp spam filter that I know of and didn't change last week.
Then they added it. I have my ISP spam filter disabled, yet they keep doing it.
thunderbird spam filter works a bit like spamassassin, whit the change that you can teach it every day. Rigth now it works pretty well, the change I speak of is cosmetic.
I have up tp 1000 spam a day, 90% sorted by th
my only problem is when I'm not at home, when my th is not running, my phone don't have th
Then you have to use fetchmail instead of thunderbird. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))
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