First impressions of SUSE 10.1

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Shriramana Sharma

12 May 2006 12 May '06

14:26

Nice! :D Lots of improvements. Numerous to list right now. But graphically harks of Fedora 5 in installer and startup screens. Must time the bootup though -- my friend was saying he could get a small nap while 10.0 boots. Firefox looks more KDE now, and that's great! Looking forward to all the other sprucings-up... Great work SUSE! Shriramana Sharma Linux User #395953 P.S: Please, all, share your first impressions.

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jdd

12 May 12 May

14:33

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Shriramana Sharma wrote:

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P.S: Please, all, share your first impressions.

I have a pretty complicated install, so I always need to tweak the install and for some days will go from 10.0 to 10.1 here I'm on 10.1 * I had an UID of 500, now have 1000. I can't remember if I forced 10.0 to give me 500 (probably). This makes going from 10.1 to 10.0 tricky (as long as I need to go back and forth), as I can't share the files. for Mozilla, I just had to copy the files as root and chown them. * I had to download seamonkey (still too buggy) and mozilla 1.7.13. Mozilla has a problem: when I clik on a link in a mail, the browser don't open. * Received a security announce on suse list, went to ssh for my 10.0 server, launch yast and got a scrumbled screen (when enlarged) - didn't have this problem with 10.0 - the you update goes well. * the "home" Konqueror icon is red (was blue :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Wolfgang Rosenauer

18:33

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On 2006-05-12 at 16:33:19 +0200, jdd wrote (shortened):

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* I had to download seamonkey (still too buggy) and mozilla 1.7.13. Mozilla has a problem: when I clik on a link in a mail, the browser don't open.

What are your problems with seamonkey? Your Mozilla link problem is strange. I never encountered that. Wolfgang Rosenauer -- SUSE - A Novell business -o) Tel: +49-(0)911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstr. 5 /\\ Fax: +49-(0)911-740 53 489 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v

jdd

17:00

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Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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On 2006-05-12 at 16:33:19 +0200, jdd wrote (shortened):

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* I had to download seamonkey (still too buggy) and mozilla 1.7.13. Mozilla has a problem: when I clik on a link in a mail, the browser don't open.

What are your problems with seamonkey? Your Mozilla link problem is strange. I never encountered that.

Wolfgang Rosenauer

right now, the mail windows have an unusefull grey banner at the bottom :-) (one inch high) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Wolfgang Rosenauer

19:07

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On 2006-05-12 at 19:00:03 +0200, jdd wrote (shortened):

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Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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On 2006-05-12 at 16:33:19 +0200, jdd wrote (shortened):

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* I had to download seamonkey (still too buggy) and mozilla 1.7.13. Mozilla has a problem: when I clik on a link in a mail, the browser don't open.

What are your problems with seamonkey? Your Mozilla link problem is strange. I never encountered that.

right now, the mail windows have an unusefull grey banner at the bottom :-) (one inch high)

you might want to backup .mozilla and then delete the "chrome" folder there. That could work. Or do you use any third-party theme? Wolfgang -- SUSE LINUX GmbH -o) Tel: +49-(0)911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstr. 5 /\\ Fax: +49-(0)911-740 53 679 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v

jdd

13 May 13 May

05:40

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Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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you might want to backup .mozilla and then delete the "chrome" folder there. That could work. Or do you use any third-party theme?

better not follow this subject (it's not the thread subject and it's of little importance) I appreciate your help, if you want we can follow on suse-e jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Boyd Lynn Gerber

12 May 12 May

18:50

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On 2006-05-12 at 16:33:19 +0200, jdd wrote (shortened):

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* I had to download seamonkey (still too buggy) and mozilla 1.7.13. Mozilla has a problem: when I clik on a link in a mail, the browser don't open.

What are your problems with seamonkey? Your Mozilla link problem is strange. I never encountered that.

My problem is bringing up more than one window from email. The first link I click on comes up but the second one does nothing or complains about Mozilla already in use. Previous version would just bring up an other window with the link. I am not sure where to go to force Seamonkey to use existing version of it and just spawn a new window. - -- Boyd Gerber ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEZNj2VtBjDid73eYRAgQcAJ9mZpdAUX6Olz8aW+ieLftXJHCIWACeLCGv 63hTUMoCl1Pc5vMRarvQLBA= =CBQ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Wolfgang Rosenauer

19:18

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On 2006-05-12 at 12:50:25 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote (shortened):

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What are your problems with seamonkey? Your Mozilla link problem is strange. I never encountered that.

My problem is bringing up more than one window from email. The first link I click on comes up but the second one does nothing or complains about Mozilla already in use. Previous version would just bring up an other window with the link. I am not sure where to go to force Seamonkey to use existing version of it and just spawn a new window.

? Which email application and how does it invoke seamonkey to open the URL? This works for me (with our package). It sounds as you would use the upstream version and not our RPM? You can specify where linked URLs should open via Preferences - Navigator - Tabbed Browsing - Link open behaviour Wolfgang -- SUSE LINUX GmbH -o) Tel: +49-(0)911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstr. 5 /\\ Fax: +49-(0)911-740 53 679 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v

Boyd Lynn Gerber

13 May 13 May

00:08

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On 2006-05-12 at 12:50:25 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote (shortened):

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What are your problems with seamonkey? Your Mozilla link problem is strange. I never encountered that.

My problem is bringing up more than one window from email. The first link I click on comes up but the second one does nothing or complains about Mozilla already in use. Previous version would just bring up an other window with the link. I am not sure where to go to force Seamonkey to use existing version of it and just spawn a new window. Which email application and how does it invoke seamonkey to open the URL?

Kontack-KMail

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This works for me (with our package). It sounds as you would use the upstream version and not our RPM?

You can specify where linked URLs should open via Preferences - Navigator - Tabbed Browsing - Link open behaviour

Thanks, I will try it again. I backup all the home folders and I am trying a fresh install. I have upgraded my 10.0 to 10.1 and had this error. Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEZSNuVtBjDid73eYRAoTqAJ9gsB4b28dmR7bdcr2anZk8jxaG3wCdFWG7 Mx+VXzk/GFG+RwmFKpA5hyA= =zM0Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Andreas

12 May 12 May

19:34

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Am Freitag, den 12.05.2006, 16:33 +0200 schrieb jdd:

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* I had an UID of 500, now have 1000.

I can't remember if I forced 10.0 to give me 500 (probably). This makes going from 10.1 to 10.0 tricky (as long as I need to go back and forth), as I can't share the files.

I always got UID 1000 for the first user. with 9.x and 10.x as well. So I guess you manually changed to 500 on your 10.0 installation. -- Gruß Andreas

JD. Brown

14:39

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Firefox looks more KDE now, and that's great!

Looking forward to all the other sprucings-up...

Great work SUSE!

Shriramana Sharma Linux User #395953

P.S: Please, all, share your first impressions.

I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers. Great Work SUSE........... -- JD. Brown

Martin Schlander

17:19

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:39, JD. Brown wrote:

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I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers.

Everything but the package management is great, no question about it.. But the package manager will cause people a lot of trouble I'm afraid and will haunt this release. I personally recommend people to stick with 10.0. I also think Novell should consider to communicate that 10.1 is sort of an interim release that might cause some problems. I'm afraid a lot of people will be disappointed and will never use SUSE again.. But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour. Some of it might have to do with packman and guru not being completely in place - and the inst-sources being under heavy load.. but definitely not all of it.. Of course I understand the background of all this - and I very much so have faith in the future.. Martin / cb400f

Alexander Antoniades

17:47

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On 5/12/06, Martin Schlander wrote:

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:39, JD. Brown wrote: But the package manager will cause people a lot of trouble I'm afraid and will haunt this release.

I've always thought that package management (especially online updates) has been almost an afterthought in RPM based distros, leading to junk like yum, but I think the answer here, for those like us that don't like the default solution, is smart. Smart is really just so much faster with so much less overhead and even has a little tray applet checker for KDE, so what I'm planning when I install 10.1 this weekend is rpm -i (guru smart package) then smart remove zen. Sander

Boyd Lynn Gerber

17:47

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:39, JD. Brown wrote:

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I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers.

Everything but the package management is great, no question about it..

But the package manager will cause people a lot of trouble I'm afraid and will haunt this release.

I personally recommend people to stick with 10.0. I also think Novell should consider to communicate that 10.1 is sort of an interim release that might cause some problems. I'm afraid a lot of people will be disappointed and will never use SUSE again..

But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour.

Some of it might have to do with packman and guru not being completely in place - and the inst-sources being under heavy load.. but definitely not all of it..

Of course I understand the background of all this - and I very much so have faith in the future..

I agree 100%. I find this version of the packagemanger very problematic. I love all the other stuff. I am probably going to stay with 10.0 on most of my systems because of this. - -- Boyd Gerber ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEZMpSVtBjDid73eYRAl19AJ4mfWz+DIW3hBaJ6YXkQuGuaeUZLACfbPgw MIw19cFkMbb6noavlbpHgz8= =P56A -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Eberhard Moenkeberg

18:13

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Hi, On Fri, 12 May 2006, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:39, JD. Brown wrote:

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I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers.

Everything but the package management is great, no question about it..

But the package manager will cause people a lot of trouble I'm afraid and will haunt this release.

I personally recommend people to stick with 10.0. I also think Novell should consider to communicate that 10.1 is sort of an interim release that might cause some problems. I'm afraid a lot of people will be disappointed and will never use SUSE again..

But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour.

Some of it might have to do with packman and guru not being completely in place - and the inst-sources being under heavy load.. but definitely not all of it..

Of course I understand the background of all this - and I very much so have faith in the future..

I agree 100%. I find this version of the packagemanger very problematic. I love all the other stuff. I am probably going to stay with 10.0 on most of my systems because of this.

I did "rpm -e novell-zmd rug" and thus see a chance to live with it now. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)

Marcus Meissner

18:14

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I love all the other stuff. I am probably going to stay with 10.0 on most of my systems because of this.

I did "rpm -e novell-zmd rug" and thus see a chance to live with it now.

novell-zmd does not exist? better perhaps: rpm -e zmd rug zen-updater Ciao, Marcus

Eberhard Moenkeberg

18:20

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Hi, On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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I love all the other stuff. I am probably going to stay with 10.0 on most of my systems because of this.

I did "rpm -e novell-zmd rug" and thus see a chance to live with it now.

novell-zmd does not exist?

better perhaps: rpm -e zmd rug zen-updater

You are right. Novell-zmd is just the name of that damned init script, and zen-updater too can not be found in my systems. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)

Allen

19:28

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On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 11:47:57AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:39, JD. Brown wrote:

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I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers.

Everything but the package management is great, no question about it..

But the package manager will cause people a lot of trouble I'm afraid and will haunt this release.

I personally recommend people to stick with 10.0. I also think Novell should consider to communicate that 10.1 is sort of an interim release that might cause some problems. I'm afraid a lot of people will be disappointed and will never use SUSE again..

But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour.

Some of it might have to do with packman and guru not being completely in place - and the inst-sources being under heavy load.. but definitely not all of it..

Of course I understand the background of all this - and I very much so have faith in the future..

I agree 100%. I find this version of the packagemanger very problematic. I love all the other stuff. I am probably going to stay with 10.0 on most of my systems because of this.

I heard that exact same thing when 10.0 came out.... "I'm sticking with 9.3 "..... And then when 9.3 came out "I'ms ticking with 9.0"..... Why is it that all these weird problems everyone has, it's never here on my boxes? I install ti on WEIRD hardware, normal hardware, and laptops, and never have any of these things. -Allen

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David Wright

13 May 13 May

10:59

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Am Freitag, 12. Mai 2006 19:47 schrieb Boyd Lynn Gerber:

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On Friday 12 May 2006 16:39, JD. Brown wrote:

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I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers.

Everything but the package management is great, no question about it..

But the package manager will cause people a lot of trouble I'm afraid and will haunt this release.

I personally recommend people to stick with 10.0. I also think Novell should consider to communicate that 10.1 is sort of an interim release that might cause some problems. I'm afraid a lot of people will be disappointed and will never use SUSE again..

But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour.

Some of it might have to do with packman and guru not being completely in place - and the inst-sources being under heavy load.. but definitely not all of it..

Of course I understand the background of all this - and I very much so have faith in the future..

I agree 100%. I find this version of the packagemanger very problematic. I love all the other stuff. I am probably going to stay with 10.0 on most of my systems because of this.

In the early Beta's the package manager was a nightmare, but to be honest, with RC1 and RC3 it ran pretty smoothly, the memory leak was solved, it updated smoothly from factory overnight without a single error etc. I raised over 20 bugs with the package manager during the various Beta stages and on my last test run through, none of those errors were present. The improvements in the last stages of the RC cycle were marked, I'll be giving the final a go when the boxed set turns up on my test machine, but I've picked up a couple of projects over the last few weeks, so won't really have time to play and definitely won't be upgrading my production systems until the projects are delivered - but that is more common sense than anything against 10.1 itself... -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck

Felipe Alfaro Solana

12 May 12 May

18:26

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But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour.

That's why I turned to yum. Although it's not as fast as apt-get, it's much faster than rug/zmd/yast2/whatever.

Felipe Alfaro Solana

18:26

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But perhaps I'm the only one with zmd, parse-metadata, zen and yast getting on my nerves.. slow, ressource hungry, error messages constantly .. and generally weird behaviour.

That's why I turned to yum. Although it's not as fast as apt-get, it's much faster than rug/zmd/yast2/whatever.

David Wright

13 May 13 May

10:48

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Am Freitag, 12. Mai 2006 16:39 schrieb JD. Brown:

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Firefox looks more KDE now, and that's great!

Looking forward to all the other sprucings-up...

Great work SUSE!

Shriramana Sharma Linux User #395953

P.S: Please, all, share your first impressions.

I really,really,really like it alot myself! I'm still waiting on my backorder box set but, I had to download this one to check it out. I think the boot time is fine and no weird bugs so far on three computers.

Great Work SUSE...........

Waiting for the boxed set as well, I have RC3 on my test machine still, but busy working on my main machine (project due for staged delivery of the next month, so probably won't be installing 10.1 on any of my live machines until mid-end June anyway... Plus I don't have the bandwidth for the download at the moment, I'm downloading the Rational Application Developer installer package, that works out at around 20GB for the compressed installation images! My head of department wants to look at it, but if it is 20GB just for the install source, don't think he's going to have room for it on his aging Tecra :-D -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck

J Sloan

12 May 12 May

18:00

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Shriramana Sharma wrote:

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P.S: Please, all, share your first impressions.

I did a fresh install of 10.1 on my Toshiba Tecra m2 laptop, and everything was improved and refined over RC1 as I expected. The xgl setup seems to have been streamlined - after editing /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, running SuSEconfig, I logged into the gnome desktop and added compiz and gnome-window-decorator to the startup programs, but didn't have to do any compiz configuration via gconf-editor as that was already set up perfectly without my involvement. The gnome desktop with compiz is much faster than gnome has ever been on this machine, including any past suse, fedora, or ubuntu distros. I'm looking forward to running the quake 3 arena tests a bit later. The wireless stuff seems improved at first glance, but I think there is still opportunity to increase usability there. All in all, it seems more polished, snappier and more sexy than 10.0 My Azureus is now spreading 10.1 goodness throughout the internet as we speak, so to speak. Joe

Carl-Daniel Hailfinger

22:03

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Shriramana Sharma wrote:

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Nice! :D

Lots of improvements. Numerous to list right now. But graphically harks of Fedora 5 in installer and startup screens. Must time the bootup though -- my friend was saying he could get a small nap while 10.0 boots.

For faster bootup: * remove all those files from /etc/preload.d/ which you don't need. This saved me about 8 seconds. * remove the zen-* packages and those depending on it. Saved me 2 seconds. * disable NetworkManager and use "classic" network configuration. Saved about 1 second. For faster system operation: * remove *beagle* packages and those depending on it. It taxes your system much more than findutils-locate (which had thankfully been removed from the default installation a few releases ago). If you pay for internet by the hour and/or use dial-on-demand or if you have a fast name server: * disable nscd in the runlevel editor. nscd will query your name server for addresses you looked up once a few hours ago, triggering a new dialup session every few minutes. It will introduce delays in name resolution and occassionally prevent anybody from logging in for a few minutes. Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/

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J Sloan
JD. Brown
jdd
Marcus Meissner
Martin Schlander
Shriramana Sharma
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