[opensuse] simple email sever
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger007@roadrunner.com registered Linux user 289023 -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger007@roadrunner.com registered Linux user 289023 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Krueger wrote:
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want
I use University of Washington IMAP server here on OpenSUSE 11.0. I also use Fetchmail to get my mail from my ISP. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-12-17 at 16:55 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want
An email server is not simple. You have to know what you do and take responsibility for it. Take your time to learn your job. The software is simple enough. Postfix. That's the smtp server. Or exim. Or sendmail if you feel adventurous :-p Then you need, perhaps, a pop/imap server, depending on how many users you have; perhaps cyrus, courier, qpopper, dovecot... Else, hire up a professional service. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksqweYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VqKwCfUUTpDL3G0YoPf9AdRW/LiVAd 1O4AnjmKSHO38KNqAEsT4nsSRKzZobRv =SoHK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/18/2009 12:42 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Thursday, 2009-12-17 at 16:55 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want
An email server is not simple. You have to know what you do and take responsibility for it. Take your time to learn your job. The software is simple enough.
Postfix. That's the smtp server. Or exim. Or sendmail if you feel adventurous :-p Then you need, perhaps, a pop/imap server, depending on how many users you have; perhaps cyrus, courier, qpopper, dovecot...
Else, hire up a professional service.
I agree, setting up a responsible email server is not so easy. Doing a email server without regards for others - example: your server being used to relay spam etc - requires some more effort. However, I understand that there are (small) distributions available to setup your own server. Just shop around on the Internet, but don't start using a generic distribution with all kinds of configuration issues. Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/17/2009 06:54 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
On 12/18/2009 12:42 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Thursday, 2009-12-17 at 16:55 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want
An email server is not simple. You have to know what you do and take responsibility for it. Take your time to learn your job. The software is simple enough.
Postfix. That's the smtp server. Or exim. Or sendmail if you feel adventurous :-p Then you need, perhaps, a pop/imap server, depending on how many users you have; perhaps cyrus, courier, qpopper, dovecot...
Else, hire up a professional service.
I agree, setting up a responsible email server is not so easy. Doing a email server without regards for others - example: your server being used to relay spam etc - requires some more effort. However, I understand that there are (small) distributions available to setup your own server. Just shop around on the Internet, but don't start using a generic distribution with all kinds of configuration issues.
Frans.
that's the reason for asking the list :-) I don't need one for an isp ! small but good -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger007@roadrunner.com registered Linux user 289023 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 20:12 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
On 12/17/2009 06:54 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
On 12/18/2009 12:42 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Thursday, 2009-12-17 at 16:55 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want
An email server is not simple. You have to know what you do and take responsibility for it. Take your time to learn your job. The software is simple enough.
Postfix. That's the smtp server. Or exim. Or sendmail if you feel adventurous :-p Then you need, perhaps, a pop/imap server, depending on how many users you have; perhaps cyrus, courier, qpopper, dovecot...
Else, hire up a professional service.
I agree, setting up a responsible email server is not so easy. Doing a email server without regards for others - example: your server being used to relay spam etc - requires some more effort. However, I understand that there are (small) distributions available to setup your own server. Just shop around on the Internet, but don't start using a generic distribution with all kinds of configuration issues.
Frans.
that's the reason for asking the list :-) I don't need one for an isp ! small but good
-- Hans Krueger hanskrueger007@roadrunner.com
registered Linux user 289023
Hans, What they're trying to say is that if you run a mail server that is connected to the internet - you can easily become something of "an isp" without knowing it. The distro ships with Postfix. It's not terribly difficult to set up, and since it's "native" the install is a no brainer. Seems like the shortest distance between two points to me. You can try qmail if you like, its small, - but not a "lightweight" by any means. (The install can be tough too) Oh yeah, and if you ask a question on the qmail mailing list you better do your homework - those guys aren't nearly as polite as the folks here! good luck! Regis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-12-17 at 22:17 -0600, Regis Matejcik wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 20:12 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
that's the reason for asking the list :-) I don't need one for an isp ! small but good
Hans, What they're trying to say is that if you run a mail server that is connected to the internet - you can easily become something of "an isp" without knowing it.
Exactly, that's the point. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksq/woACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XLTQCbBl1P29N9b2I9Ie3QWxDYp282 wVQAniNc6eWEHeHv+54sbwC7Eg5aLwHy =5S/b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Krueger wrote:
On 12/17/2009 06:54 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
On 12/18/2009 12:42 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
is they a simple email server set up for suse 11.2 just want to be able to receive email from the net for my domain had it set up 10 that died the ones I found so far way to much for what I want
An email server is not simple. You have to know what you do and take responsibility for it. Take your time to learn your job. The software is simple enough.
Else, hire up a professional service.
I agree, setting up a responsible email server is not so easy. Doing a email server without regards for others - example: your server being used to relay spam etc - requires some more effort.
Frans.
that's the reason for asking the list :-) I don't need one for an isp ! small but good
Hans, I hate having to tell you that there is not software that can read you mind and make everything magically as you want it to do. Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work. This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers. If you don't want to put in the work to aquire the knowledge you'd better host your domain with a competent mail service. Setting up a lokal server is not that difficult if you only poll the mails from your provider. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers.
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it? /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-2.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers.
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it?
No, it isn't! That is exactly the reason why I mentioned to also "maintain a mailserver". The very least you must do is to set up a minimal monitoring like a daily report with pflogsumm and the aquire the knowledge to understand this report. If your server is abused through an insecure webserver script you at least must be able to notice this, so you can shut down your server until you can secure your server. At that point I haven't even said anything about checking if your server actually works as desired. That at least is mainly your own problem if the server does not accept the desired mails. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers.
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it?
No, it isn't!
Well, I beg to differ. What you're talking about is not required to run a minimum mailserver in a sufficiently safe manner.
That is exactly the reason why I mentioned to also "maintain a mailserver". The very least you must do is to set up a minimal monitoring like a daily report with pflogsumm and the aquire the knowledge to understand this report.
Funny, I don't do that.
At that point I haven't even said anything about checking if your server actually works as desired. That at least is mainly your own problem if the server does not accept the desired mails.
Sandy, isn't that pretty obvious? I mean, who installs <anything> without trying to use it afterwards? /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-2.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers. Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it? No, it isn't!
Well, I beg to differ. What you're talking about is not required to run a minimum mailserver in a sufficiently safe manner.
We probably have a different definition of "sufficiently safe". What do you regard as "sufficiently safe"?
That is exactly the reason why I mentioned to also "maintain a mailserver". The very least you must do is to set up a minimal monitoring like a daily report with pflogsumm and the aquire the knowledge to understand this report.
Funny, I don't do that.
Is it really funny? So what do you do instead of a pflogsumm report? How do you notice that something is wrong with your server?
At that point I haven't even said anything about checking if your server actually works as desired. That at least is mainly your own problem if the server does not accept the desired mails.
Sandy, isn't that pretty obvious? I mean, who installs <anything> without trying to use it afterwards?
I have seen a lot of people set up a mailserver without even knowing where the logfile of the server is. Then they shrug their shoulders "Oh, the crappy software doesn't work!" and leave it alone without ever checking what is happening. Month later they try again and wonder why their ip is blacklisted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers. Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it? No, it isn't!
Well, I beg to differ. What you're talking about is not required to run a minimum mailserver in a sufficiently safe manner.
We probably have a different definition of "sufficiently safe". What do you regard as "sufficiently safe"?
I think the vanilla openSUSE config is actually sufficiently safe. You need to make it listen on your public address, and set up the DNS records, but I think that's it. I haven't done one of those in a long time, this is from memory.
That is exactly the reason why I mentioned to also "maintain a mailserver". The very least you must do is to set up a minimal monitoring like a daily report with pflogsumm and the aquire the knowledge to understand this report.
Funny, I don't do that.
Is it really funny? So what do you do instead of a pflogsumm report? How do you notice that something is wrong with your server?
It's funny because you find it to be the very least you need to do, where as I don't find it necessary at all. As for finding out when something is wrong - something goes wrong only when things are changed, so I control change very carefully. I check, double check and test every single change that is made to our servers. I have a test-system where every change is tested first etc. The thing is - all Hans asked was how to set up a simple mail server for receiving mail - and that does not require "a lot of knowledge and work". IMHO. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-2.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-12-18 at 13:25 +0100, Per Jessen wrote: ...
The thing is - all Hans asked was how to set up a simple mail server for receiving mail - and that does not require "a lot of knowledge and work". IMHO.
Till it doesn't work, and they have no clue why. They post for help on a mail list, and after several exchanges, you manage to see one of the bounces, and turns out he is blacklisted because the users are sending dumb newsletters or such. Or they can't send because the ip is not "professional", like in an adsl pool, and is listed as not static, or something others do not like, like no reverse dns. Or worse, they do something and, without knowing, they have a spam server for others to use behind their back. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksrefYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UFiwCfWRZxxrumJLCU+V8AP+FYTnsk 1JkAn3EE2auoDDlhr3q0tS5cOqB+pcqk =H3Cz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2009-12-18 at 13:25 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
The thing is - all Hans asked was how to set up a simple mail server for receiving mail - and that does not require "a lot of knowledge and work". IMHO.
Till it doesn't work, and they have no clue why. They post for help on a mail list, and after several exchanges, you manage to see one of the bounces, and turns out he is blacklisted because the users are sending dumb newsletters or such. Or they can't send because the ip is not "professional", like in an adsl pool, and is listed as not static, or something others do not like, like no reverse dns. Or worse, they do something and, without knowing, they have a spam server for others to use behind their back.
Sure, all of that could potentially create problems. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/18/2009 06:22 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers.
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it?
/Per
thanks for replay with out the crap some people have a condescending attitude or think everybody is a windows user been using suse for 10+ years now e-mail me off list with the info thanks -- Hans Krueger hanskrueger007@roadrunner.com registered Linux user 289023 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-12-18 at 06:54 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
thanks for replay with out the crap some people have a condescending attitude or think everybody is a windows user
No, we don't.
been using suse for 10+ years now e-mail me off list with the info
Well... just use YaST, it will do most of the work. Setting postfix up is not difficult. Maintaining the server safe and working _is_ difficult. But you do have to learn the documentation yourself. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksrdK8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U3pQCcCz/0gml51/dv9qqszSXIf5/b l/sAoJF9+IBrv+DXHDE8bJhmsKvnlfow =lmCq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2009-12-18 at 06:54 -0500, Hans Krueger wrote:
thanks for replay with out the crap some people have a condescending attitude or think everybody is a windows user
No, we don't.
been using suse for 10+ years now e-mail me off list with the info
Well... just use YaST, it will do most of the work. Setting postfix up is not difficult.
I have never done it with YaST, but yes, Carlos is probably right, it'll make it even easier.
Maintaining the server safe and working _is_ difficult.
Only if you change things :-) /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/18/2009 01:45 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well... just use YaST, it will do most of the work. Setting postfix up is not difficult.
I have never done it with YaST, but yes, Carlos is probably right, it'll make it even easier.
Yes, the initial setup is fairly sensible.
Maintaining the server safe and working _is_ difficult.
Only if you change things :-)
There are also external changes. Like your recipient defining harder to meet requisites. Or being the target of backscattering or a plain, direct, attack. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 "Emerald" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksrfgcACgkQU92UU+smfQX2CgCgk2PEFPc9lxFMhMJ551omqh16 apYAmwfArOGvkt8/fD4UtvWCY/hzt6xt =mxBQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Krueger wrote:
On 12/18/2009 06:22 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Sandy Drobic wrote:
Setting up a mailserver is very easy if you don't want to use it. Setting up a mailserver correctly and maintain it correctly is something that needs a lot of knowledge and work.
This goes for ISP installations as well as for small business installations and private servers.
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it?
/Per
thanks for replay with out the crap some people have a condescending attitude or think everybody is a windows user been using suse for 10+ years now e-mail me off list with the info thanks
Hi Hans let's keep in on-list, so others can correct me where I screw up :-) I am assuming you have a working DNS and an internet connection with a fixed IP. You start with the vanilla postfix install that comes with openSUSE. Amend/check the following: /etc/postfix/main.cf - comment out line 423 (home_mailbox). /etc/postfix/main.cf - myhostname needs to be e.g. "mail.example.com". Make sure your DNS (with whoever is hosting your domain) has an entry for "mail.example.com" that points to your public IP-address. Also make sure the reverse DNS for your IP has a PTR record that points to "mail.example.com". Your internet provider will be the contact for that. Also create an MX record identifying your server as the mail exchanger. Finally amend inet_interfaces: inet_interfaces = $myhostname If you're running a firewall, you'll need to open port 25. There are lots of things you might want to do, but for a simple mail server, I think this will do. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it? Amend/check the following:
/etc/postfix/main.cf - comment out line 423 (home_mailbox). /etc/postfix/main.cf - myhostname needs to be e.g. "mail.example.com".
That is not the openSuSE way. It will create more problems as soon as SuSEconfig runs the postfix module. But if you want then set /etc/sysconfig/mail as MAIL_CREATE_CONFIG=no Else;
inet_interfaces = $myhostname
POSTFIX_ADD_INET_INTERFACES=\$myhostname all corrections or additions should be added with the POSTFIX_ADD_ prefix into /etc/sysconfig/postfix Then when you run Suseconfig --module postfix the correct main.cf will be created. However the obvious easiest way is to use yast :) But life is choice Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Hey guys, don't scare Hans away - setting up a postfix mailserver for a single domain in openSUSE is not that difficult, including getting it right. The vanilla config needs a couple of tweaks, and he'll need to amend a couple of DNS records, but isn't that pretty much it? Amend/check the following:
/etc/postfix/main.cf - comment out line 423 (home_mailbox). /etc/postfix/main.cf - myhostname needs to be e.g. "mail.example.com".
That is not the openSuSE way. It will create more problems as soon as SuSEconfig runs the postfix module. But if you want then set /etc/sysconfig/mail as
MAIL_CREATE_CONFIG=no
You're right, I forgot to say that - what I have described is the manual approach; I have zero experience with doing it with YaST. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-2.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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